Swa said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

What about his other work??

It was a starting point as for most people this is their sphere of reference for Michael. You know me, more than happy to discuss the music on every release he did.

To that point I just got my J5 live at the forum delivered today and about to crank that.

But what is everyone else's opinion on the music side of things - what are the essential songs for you?

I gotta make my list. I love all of Michael's work but there's some tracks were I literally REFUSE to listen to, matter of fact, I'll start from there

The Young Folks (from ABC)- I don't know what it is about this cut, but I skip it everytime it comes on. It's not a bad song, but I do without it

Wings Of My Love (from Got To Be There)- I skip this one, matter of fact, when I first heard the album years ago (probably around 1994), I listened to it twice and I think I haven't heard it since

Too Young (from Music And Me)- this isn't on my list anymore but it used to be! This one, I felt, was a complete misfire and reason why the Music And Me album felt so weak, but it wasn't until I was listening to the radio and heard it on a classical station that made me go "WOW"

Dapper Dan (from Forever Michael)- I don't hate this song, but I don't really like it either. It's like "Call On Me had to wait 10 years to finally be released but THIS made an album?"

Heaven Knows I Love You, Girl (from Goin' Places)- I've NEVER liked this song. This could've been done by The O'Jays and I still would dislike it, and I like O'Jays!

The Girl Is Mine (from Thriller)- it's funny, this song was #2 on the pop chart, #1 on the R&B chart, and #8 in the UK, and I rarely hear people say they like this song and I'm one of them. It's corny, cheesy, and unfunny. The demo from a year earlier is far superior. Ebony and Ivory was a better song. YEAH I SAID IT. Matter of fact, I turned TGIM and put on Ebony and Ivory to cleanse my ears

Torture (from Victory)- Yeah, this song has Jermaine's greasy fingerprints ALL OVER IT It's like an half assed attempt at Thriller, which wasn't a GREAT song, so it says alot

Body (from Victory)- Yeah Marlon is the lead vocalist on the song but I don't care

Heal The World (from Dangerous). NO....just......NO. From the album I regard as Michael's best written work, this song, I feel, the weakest. For All Time or Monkey Business or Someone Put Your Hand Out didn't get picked but THIS one did?! Michael had this thing for cheesy pop songs that I can get with because I tend to like the same songs sometimes (I have Kenny Rogers, Bros, Wham!, Culture Club, and remember, I like "Ebony and Ivory") but this one...will not do

D.S (from HIStory)- I understand the reason for putting this on the album and I give Michael props for doing it but I've never liked it, the lyrics...it's like he was just spouting out random shit

You Are Not Alone (from HIStory)- now get this, I love Childhood, and I love Earth Song, but I can't stand this song except for the last part when Michael starts adlibbing. Maybe because the song is cheesy beyond cheesy, maybe because I DESPISE the videos (No Michael, nobody wanted to see your balls, bruh....although Lisa Marie's butt was lookin' kinda nice back then) or maybe I can't stand the muthafucka who wrote it.....

Ghosts (from Blood On The Dancefloor)- I prefer Is It Scary over this one

Heartbreaker (from Invincible)- NO..NO....NO...Invincible's cool points went down because this clusterfuck of a song. The lyrics....okay, but the production.... (pushes plate away), I will not be having any of that, sir

2000 Watts (from Invincible)- why do I always imagine the old Cartoon Network series "Reboot" when I hear this track?

Cry (from Invincible)- We didn't need a Man In The Mirror 2001, Kells! GET THIS OUTTA HERE

The Lost Children (from Invincible)- Words cannot express my.......

utter......absolute.....complete....disdain for this song. I hate it like I hated gym class. I hate this song like Michael Jordan hates nice clothing. I hate this song like Jermaine hates dry hair. I hate this song like Mel Gibson hates everybody

this song was NOT COOL

I'll do my assessment on some songs later on lol

Reel said:

bboy87 said:

What about the fams?

and not all MJ fans make themselves oblivious that Michael had problems. Yeah there are some out there who believe Michael was this perfect individual who didn't have a flaw in his life, but not a majority (yeah I said majority of fans don't believe that)

I and Timmy talked about this some time ago when there was kind of a "war" against fans of Michael back in 2008 and 2009 when almost every thread about MJ became a bashfest towards him and any person who defended him, There's about 4 or 5 branches of MJ fans in regards to how they feel about the man and his work.

The whole "floon" thing came about 2 years ago when an Orger and his buddies would insult MJ fans. I'm not gonna name names but that guy......ugh

I'm not interested in insulting any MJ fans, particularly since I consider myself a fan. I'm just not the type of fan to only speak about the good. I also find it amusing when SOME people relentlessly try to defend him from the OPINIONS of other. I mean who in this day actually changes anyone's opinions? People are going to believe what they want and say what they want regardless of who holds a tantrum about it.

I've been pretty much respectful to everybody here even when voicing an oposing opinion. (Except for with one idiot who I consider an antagonist). So I don't know what happened in 08 and 09...but that has nothing to do with any of my postings. I think I've made my position clear regarding MJ so no need for me to repeat it.

In regards to my comment about 2008/2009, I was explaining how the whole floon thing came about because I saw you didn't understand what it was

bboy87 said:

Swa said:

It was a starting point as for most people this is their sphere of reference for Michael. You know me, more than happy to discuss the music on every release he did.

To that point I just got my J5 live at the forum delivered today and about to crank that.

But what is everyone else's opinion on the music side of things - what are the essential songs for you?

I gotta make my list. I love all of Michael's work but there's some tracks were I literally REFUSE to listen to, matter of fact, I'll start from there

The Young Folks (from ABC)- I don't know what it is about this cut, but I skip it everytime it comes on. It's not a bad song, but I do without it

Wings Of My Love (from Got To Be There)- I skip this one, matter of fact, when I first heard the album years ago (probably around 1994), I listened to it twice and I think I haven't heard it since

Dapper Dan (from Forever Michael)- I don't hate this song, but I don't really like it either. It's like "Call On Me had to wait 10 years to finally be released but THIS made an album?"

Heaven Knows I Love You, Girl (from Goin' Places)- I've NEVER liked this song. This could've been done by The O'Jays and I still would dislike it, and I like O'Jays!

The Girl Is Mine (from Thriller)- it's funny, this song was #2 on the pop chart, #1 on the R&B chart, and #8 in the UK, and I rarely hear people say they like this song and I'm one of them. It's corny, cheesy, and unfunny. The demo from a year earlier is far superior. Ebony and Ivory was a better song. YEAH I SAID IT. Matter of fact, I turned TGIM and put on Ebony and Ivory to cleanse my ears

Heal The World (from Dangerous). NO....just......NO. From the album I regard as Michael's best written work, this song, I feel, the weakest. For All Time or Monkey Business or Someone Put Your Hand Out didn't get picked but THIS one did?! Michael had this thing for cheesy pop songs that I can get with because I tend to like the same songs sometimes (I have Kenny Rogers, Bros, Wham!, Culture Club, and remember, I like "Ebony and Ivory") but this one...will not do

The Lost Children (from Invincible)- Words cannot express my.......

utter......absolute.....complete....disdain for this song. I hate it like I hated gym class. I hate this song like Michael Jordan hates nice clothing. I hate this song like Jermaine hates dry hair. I hate this song like Mel Gibson hates everybody

this song was NOT COOL

The young folks isn't bad but i skip this song too.

i like wings of my love, i didn't pay attention to that song until recently

dapper dan is fun but it's a bit cheesy and like you i'd take call on me any day over this

Heaven knows i love you is a gem and you are wrong for that lol

The girl is mine...i have honesty only listen to that entire song a couple times in my life because it's too cheesy for me lol

i don't like heal the world unless he perform it, i usually skip this song

i think the lost children is ....very michaely lol it's cute but i don't listen to it much

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I wish I was Pete Wentz this day.

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bboy87 said:

Reel said:

I'm not interested in insulting any MJ fans, particularly since I consider myself a fan. I'm just not the type of fan to only speak about the good. I also find it amusing when SOME people relentlessly try to defend him from the OPINIONS of other. I mean who in this day actually changes anyone's opinions? People are going to believe what they want and say what they want regardless of who holds a tantrum about it.

I've been pretty much respectful to everybody here even when voicing an oposing opinion. (Except for with one idiot who I consider an antagonist). So I don't know what happened in 08 and 09...but that has nothing to do with any of my postings. I think I've made my position clear regarding MJ so no need for me to repeat it.

In regards to my comment about 2008/2009, I was explaining how the whole floon thing came about because I saw you didn't understand what it was

I hear you Bboy.

ViintageJunkiie said:

I wish I was Pete Wentz this day.

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Cool.

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I wish I was Pete Wentz this day.

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Cool.

Even tho it's dirty as hell, I'd still put it on! LOL

Michael's vocal coach

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mimi07 said:

what' the story behind the pic, did pete buy the outfit?

He uploaded the picture via Twitpic back in April 2009. He said

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

Cool.

Even tho it's dirty as hell, I'd still put it on! LOL

This shirt is as dirty as Al Sharpton's doo rag

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Even tho it's dirty as hell, I'd still put it on! LOL

This shirt is as dirty as Al Sharpton's doo rag

Or as dirty as J-Fab's moist towelette after wiping his forehead.

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

This shirt is as dirty as Al Sharpton's doo rag

Or as dirty as J-Fab's moist towelette after wiping his forehead.

That's what I was gonna say at first

Jermaine was joggin' around LA the other day sweatin a pool of sweat, yet the hair didn't drip NOT ONCE

fuck playin' bass, THAT's talent!

I noticed the dirty jacket...but I just now honed in on that shirt.

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Or as dirty as J-Fab's moist towelette after wiping his forehead.

That's what I was gonna say at first

Jermaine was joggin' around LA the other day sweatin a pool of sweat, yet the hair didn't drip NOT ONCE

fuck playin' bass, THAT's talent!

Dont act like you don't know J-Fabs secret to his hair. Black clay! Claymation Nation!

*does the Janet stance after the end of Rhythm Nation*

Reel said:

I noticed the dirty jacket...but I just now honed in on that shirt.

That's all of MJ's sweat from 1986...

ViintageJunkiie said:

Reel said:

I noticed the dirty jacket...but I just now honed in on that shirt.

That's all of MJ's sweat from 1986...

Yeah, when he was going through the "Puerto Rican Mike" stage

actual sweat mixed with activator and pancake makeup

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

That's all of MJ's sweat from 1986...

Yeah, when he was going through the "Puerto Rican Mike" stage

actual sweat mixed with activator and pancake makeup

his own concoction!

ViintageJunkiie said:

Reel said:

I noticed the dirty jacket...but I just now honed in on that shirt.

That's all of MJ's sweat from 1986...

LOL @ You.

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

That's all of MJ's sweat from 1986...

Yeah, when he was going through the "Puerto Rican Mike" stage

actual sweat mixed with activator and pancake makeup

He went from a Black Man, to a cute Puerto Rican, to a Japanese Woman.

I'm uncensored baby.

ViintageJunkiie said:

bboy87 said:

That's what I was gonna say at first

Jermaine was joggin' around LA the other day sweatin a pool of sweat, yet the hair didn't drip NOT ONCE

fuck playin' bass, THAT's talent!

Dont act like you don't know J-Fabs secret to his hair. Black clay! Claymation Nation!

*does the Janet stance after the end of Rhythm Nation*

Some blue magic conditioner, Pro-style protein gel, Crisco, and some good ole Vaseline

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I have a question.

Why is it this white woman isnt seen as self hating and ashamed of being white? When It comes to her she's just someone who didnt like the way she looked and who's addicted to plastic sugery.

But when it's a black person their "ashamed of being black" (e.g. Michael, little kim). Why can't a black person have surgery without being berated and labeled self-hating? Why do black people have to love everything about themselves, But white people can have all the surgeries they want. nose jobs, botox, chin jobs, lip injections, butt inplants and nobody says their ashamed of being white?

It's a double standard. But mainly(with Michael) it's certain people projecting their own insecurities onto him. They hate being black themselves, so they want Michael to as well.

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bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Dont act like you don't know J-Fabs secret to his hair. Black clay! Claymation Nation!

*does the Janet stance after the end of Rhythm Nation*

Some blue magic conditioner, Pro-style protein gel, Crisco, and some good ole Vaseline

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Jermaine seems to really like "This Wife". I see them together all the time. Jermaine can be like nails on a chalkboard sometimes...but there's something about him that I still like. Except for when he starts whining about wanting to move Michaels Body from Forrest Lawn to Neverland.....then I want to {S bitchslap him.

Reel said:

I'll have to see what happens with Blanket as he gets older. So far, I've only seen photoshopped pictures which try and make his eyes look more like Michaels,

You just making shit up now. First of all nobody has ever photoshopped blankets eyes to make them look like Michael's .

and try to make it seem that he has Vitiligro (eventhouth the family has spoken out and denied that he has vitiligro).

ANOTHER LIE

nobody has ever claimed blanket has vitligo nor have their been any pictures to show that, so your little claim that the family denying he had it is a BOLD FACE LIE. Prince is the one who has vitligo, (AND yes he does have it, it's been confirmed by multiple people) and there are pictures to show it, and they have not been photoshopped.

What they did to Michael, they are now doing to Blanket as far as taking outrageous pictures, and photoshopping etc. I know Michael would be doing 360's in his grave if he knew that his son (whether biological or not) was being exploited by some of his fans, and the tabloids via photoshopping and taking sneak pictures of the boy while he's in the water on vacation just to prove to themselves and others that he's MJ's biological.

I see why Michael made them wear masks. But that also was very unhealthy for them. Unfortunately they will just have to be strong and deal with the B.S. But thus far, I haven't seen any credible pictures that make me think that Blanket is his son. I think this is something that we will never really know for sure. I think the speculation will go on for an eternity.

You are the one making up stories, so how can you criticise the fans?

If you disagree with something fine. Thats your right. But don't go around making shit up and spreading it around. You know what you just typed was LIE. I just don't understand why you have to LIE about this. Is it that serious?

Reel said:

MyLuv229 said:

It's vitiligo - not vitiligro. There have never been any claims that Blanket has vitiligo nor have there been photoshopped images claiming that he had it. I think you're confusing him with Prince. And LaToya was the family member who claimed he did have it. Regarding the photoshopped picture in the water, are you referring to the one where Prince had a white patch on his arm pit? Lastly, when were there photoshopped pictures of Michael?

There have been photo-shopped pics of Blanket to make him look more like Michael. Also, there are photoshopped pics of Prince which try to make him look like he has vitiligo. As far as LaToya....I don't listen to that woman so it doesn't matter what she said.

"And Lastly" there are photoshopped pics of Michael floating around where he has absolutely no nose. Those photos were photoshopped to make it seem that he was wearing a prosthetic nose. Surprised that you were unaware of that pic as well as others.

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Bitch please. You actually believe the tabloids would photoshop pictures of prince with vitiligo, when that would prove he is Michael's bio child, which is the very thing they DON"T want to happen. Thats hilarious. Then you gonna accuse the fans. If the pictures were photoshopped then where are the originals?

The fans didnt take them fool, the paps did. The paps don't even give a damn enough to wanna photoshop some pictures.

the things people do to keep from admitting they were wrong.

cdcgold said:

Reel said:

I'll have to see what happens with Blanket as he gets older. So far, I've only seen photoshopped pictures which try and make his eyes look more like Michaels,

You just making shit up now. First of all nobody has ever photoshopped blankets eyes to make them look like Michael's .

ANOTHER LIE

nobody has ever claimed blanket has vitligo nor have their been any pictures to show that, so your little claim that the family denying he had it is a BOLD FACE LIE. Prince is the one who has vitligo, (AND yes he does have it, it's been confirmed by multiple people) and there are pictures to show it, and they have not been photoshopped.

What they did to Michael, they are now doing to Blanket as far as taking outrageous pictures, and photoshopping etc. I know Michael would be doing 360's in his grave if he knew that his son (whether biological or not) was being exploited by some of his fans, and the tabloids via photoshopping and taking sneak pictures of the boy while he's in the water on vacation just to prove to themselves and others that he's MJ's biological.

I see why Michael made them wear masks. But that also was very unhealthy for them. Unfortunately they will just have to be strong and deal with the B.S. But thus far, I haven't seen any credible pictures that make me think that Blanket is his son. I think this is something that we will never really know for sure. I think the speculation will go on for an eternity.

You are the one making up stories, so how can you criticise the fans?

If you disagree with something fine. Thats your right. But don't go around making shit up and spreading it around. You know what you just typed was LIE. I just don't understand why you have to LIE about this. Is it that serious?

Overkill. The topic has already been discussed at length. It's dead now. But you can get with me the next time I make a remark that you don't like or don't agree with, and we can get it on and crackin then. Just be first to get in line next time.

Forget about paternity talk(nobody wants to start that again)

I Just want to know why you have LIE to back up your opinions? If you have to lie and make up stories that never happened to support yourself, then maybe your opinion is weak.

cdcgold said:

Reel said:

There have been photo-shopped pics of Blanket to make him look more like Michael. Also, there are photoshopped pics of Prince which try to make him look like he has vitiligo. As far as LaToya....I don't listen to that woman so it doesn't matter what she said.

"And Lastly" there are photoshopped pics of Michael floating around where he has absolutely no nose. Those photos were photoshopped to make it seem that he was wearing a prosthetic nose. Surprised that you were unaware of that pic as well as others.

[Edited 7/11/10 19:38pm]

Bitch please. You actually believe the tabloids would photoshop pictures of prince with vitiligo, when that would prove he is Michael's bio child, which is the very thing they DON"T want to happen. Thats hilarious. Then you gonna accuse the fans. If the pictures were photoshopped then where are the originals?

The fans didnt take them fool, the paps did. The paps don't even give a damn enough to wanna photoshop some pictures.

the things people do to keep from admitting they were wrong.

Your Mama!