midiscover said:

Wowugotit said:

What he did to Janet? Oh god, get over it!

Stfu.

get over it.

Actually, I just remembered, I wanted FutureSexLoveSounds but didn't want my purchase to be counted. I bought it from a holiday charity sale at a hospital where they had some current CD's and that was one of them, so I would still have the album but not support it at the same time. I played it for months after.

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I pretty much don't listen to music from people I don't like. Personalities have a way of affecting how their music sounds to me (I know you're all like WTF).

I tolerate a lot of crazy behavior from my favorite female singers though.

No I'm the same way too, if I don't like them as people, I don't listen to them at all.

Harlepolis said:

TD3 said:

Davis did an interview with 60 mintues about 4 years before his death. He spoke then of his dislike of his children. . . though, he didn't single out his sons. He just made a point blank statement and I was shocked. When they reran the interview they edited that part out, I'm glad they did.

I don't care about musicians politcal views if the are the polar oppsite of mine. I would like to think I have empathy with all the bullshit they have to put up with, how easy it is to get caught up in the adulation, praise, and folks all but sucking your dick. Hell, I can see how you could lose you way and everyone has feet of clay. Some people are very brilliant at what they do but they aren't good people. Some use fame and "genuis" as an excuse or a cover to be jerks.

Stanley Crouch?? Girl, don't get me started. Who left him and Wynton Marsalis as the King makers and breakers of Jazz. Who!

Ken Burns

Oh lord, where's Neal/theAudience when you need him? He rarely loses his cool untill this subject comes up. And rightfully so.

Thats one of my fave documentaries, but even I should admit that it was a TOTAL slap to the face of the fusion artists who made some classic statements in the 70s.

On a whole the PBS Jazz documentary for me, was wanting, very wanting.

Yes, it was very disrespectful, wrong, and really that documentary was, ugly. Some how Marsalis and Crouch have been allowed to corner and define what Jazz music is. They have an opinion as I as you, and we may not agree and that's fine but don't sit-up and present those two men opinion as fact.

My question is, "How and the hell can you reconcile a form of music (Jazz) which is based on improvisation, one of the basic elements that sets jazz apart from other types of music and then turn around and define it as an orthodoxy? Is it me or is this a contradiction in terms? If that's the case the music would've never evolved - spawning a variety of subgenres. Louis Armstrong nor Duke Ellington were all that giddy about Bebop; both were puzzled by it. The same howls about Bebop and Hard Bop... were made just a Marsalis and Crouch have done about Acid Jazz, Free Jazz, Avant - Garde, Latin Jazz Fusion whatever. When I listen to Ragtime, Dixieland bands, Big Band, Swing, Bebop (Hard Bop), the latter turning scales, harmony, melody on it's ear what else could Davis and others do but keep it moving? I agree with Miles, 'you can't go back to the womb'. (IMO) That's was Marsalis is, he's a cover band.

I said it, I mean it, and I'm running.

Harlepolis said:

OMG, Aretha Franklin, ya'll

Read her autobiography,,,,or better yet, don't. Its better to enjoy her music alone without worrying about her attitude.

I haven`t read the book, but i`ve heard the comments about Gladys Knight. You know, where she said that Knight was suffering from stress due to career disappointments, and that she would pray for her. Luckily she didn`t eat her

SunnySkies said:

Harlepolis said:

OMG, Aretha Franklin, ya'll

Read her autobiography,,,,or better yet, don't. Its better to enjoy her music alone without worrying about her attitude.

I haven`t read the book, but i`ve heard the comments about Gladys Knight. You know, where she said that Knight was suffering from stress due to career disappointments, and that she would pray for her. Luckily she didn`t eat her

Toni Braxton blaming all her woes on everyone but the person in the

mirror.

Harlepolis said:

Prince.

Its BEYOND me how to this day nobody told him to cut the pretentious shit. I could never tolerate hearing another "free the music" sermon from him again, esp when he doesn't put his money where his mouth is.

Prince..

I like a lot of Drake's music, but his personality....he comes off as a poser. I saw a clip of him during the Degrassi days and thought he was a pretty cool guy.....but then he became the complete opposite of that when he began associating with Lil Wayne. He's talking partying in Miami and braggin about cars, and this is the same dude who said people who have overexpensive cars and possessions are pretentious

Craig David....same for the reasons I stated above about Drake. His personality has changed for the worse

Lily Allen- really liked her first album but she's so bitchy, insulting, and a loud mouth in general that it turned me off of her music altogether

Harlepolis said:

Prince.

Its BEYOND me how to this day nobody told him to cut the pretentious shit. I could never tolerate hearing another "free the music" sermon from him again, esp when he doesn't put his money where his mouth is.

I agree. He makes good music but he can be a real douchebag. other artists on my list

Mariah Carey-snobbish Diva immature

Chris Brown-arrogent cocky

and others

Prince.

Prince.

I hate to say this but Michelle Ndegeocello. I love the girl but when she's in a personal funk or is high on stage. You might as well just leave cause the show is gonna be a zzz.

sosgemini said:

I hate to say this but Michelle Ndegeocello. I love the girl but when she's in a personal funk or is high on stage. You might as well just leave cause the show is gonna be a zzz.

u AINT NEVA LIED MY BROTHA. She always seems like shes in a bad mood and her shows are Snooze fests.

Harlepolis said:

OMG, Aretha Franklin, ya'll

Read her autobiography,,,,or better yet, don't. Its better to enjoy her music alone without worrying about her attitude.

Oh good freaking grief , Aretha used to treat her then-husband Glynn Truman wrong. And her clash with Luther Vandross (no angel by any means) is very legendary. And lest not forget about that time when Aretha wanted to called Beyonce out (but surprisely didn't by name) for calling Tina Turner "The Queen" instead of her. Hell yeah, Aretha's ego is about as big as her bulldogs for breasts.

TD3 said:

Harlepolis said:

Ken Burns

Oh lord, where's Neal/theAudience when you need him? He rarely loses his cool untill this subject comes up. And rightfully so.

Thats one of my fave documentaries, but even I should admit that it was a TOTAL slap to the face of the fusion artists who made some classic statements in the 70s.

On a whole the PBS Jazz documentary for me, was wanting, very wanting.

Yes, it was very disrespectful, wrong, and really that documentary was, ugly. Some how Marsalis and Crouch have been allowed to corner and define what Jazz music is. They have an opinion as I as you, and we may not agree and that's fine but don't sit-up and present those two men opinion as fact.

My question is, "How and the hell can you reconcile a form of music (Jazz) which is based on improvisation, one of the basic elements that sets jazz apart from other types of music and then turn around and define it as an orthodoxy? Is it me or is this a contradiction in terms? If that's the case the music would've never evolved - spawning a variety of subgenres. Louis Armstrong nor Duke Ellington were all that giddy about Bebop; both were puzzled by it. The same howls about Bebop and Hard Bop... were made just a Marsalis and Crouch have done about Acid Jazz, Free Jazz, Avant - Garde, Latin Jazz Fusion whatever. When I listen to Ragtime, Dixieland bands, Big Band, Swing, Bebop (Hard Bop), the latter turning scales, harmony, melody on it's ear what else could Davis and others do but keep it moving? I agree with Miles, 'you can't go back to the womb'. (IMO) That's was Marsalis is, he's a cover band.

I said it, I mean it, and I'm running.

Quentin Marsalis make the kind of jazz intended for the coffee houses only. Otherwise, it's useless for the dance floors and the streets. Good thing Miles, Herbie, & Chick didn't follow that example or jazz would've been dead.

bboy87 said:

I like a lot of Drake's music, but his personality....he comes off as a poser. I saw a clip of him during the Degrassi days and thought he was a pretty cool guy.....but then he became the complete opposite of that when he began associating with Lil Wayne. He's talking partying in Miami and braggin about cars, and this is the same dude who said people who have overexpensive cars and possessions are pretentious

Craig David....same for the reasons I stated above about Drake. His personality has changed for the worse

Lily Allen- really liked her first album but she's so bitchy, insulting, and a loud mouth in general that it turned me off of her music altogether

Those are THE same reasons why Elton John had to called Lily out for that bullshit.

Harlepolis said:

Prince.

Its BEYOND me how to this day nobody told him to cut the pretentious shit. I could never tolerate hearing another "free the music" sermon from him again, esp when he doesn't put his money where his mouth is.

I suspect the only people he might listen to if they told him to knock it off would be another musician, but it would have to be someone he respected and admired. If someone like Stevie or Joni were to tell him he's being an asshat he might take note.

ive said it quite a few times but Prince.

since mike died its harder and harder to like his persona ( can say that cus i dont know him as a person) its real pretentious.

atleast wit mike here i felt they balanced each other out. in some weird way.

now mike is dead and im left with an asshole who makes(made) great music lol

Nvncible1 said:

ive said it quite a few times but Prince.

since mike died its harder and harder to like his persona ( can say that cus i dont know him as a person) its real pretentious.

atleast wit mike here i felt they balanced each other out. in some weird way.

now mike is dead and im left with an asshole who makes(made) great music lol

As horrible and sad as that last comment is, I totally understand what you mean for some reason. After all these years, I actually started becoming slightly averse to Prince in 2008, but since Mike has been gone, and I've reevaluated things....aww man....It's almost like I was never a Prince fan. He may take a cool new picture I may like, or do a good performance on TV, but I really don't feel excited about anything Prince anymore like I used to.

SunnySkies said:

Harlepolis said:

OMG, Aretha Franklin, ya'll

Read her autobiography,,,,or better yet, don't. Its better to enjoy her music alone without worrying about her attitude.

I haven`t read the book, but i`ve heard the comments about Gladys Knight. You know, where she said that Knight was suffering from stress due to career disappointments, and that she would pray for her. Luckily she didn`t eat her

I struggled through Aretha's autobiography. It was a long time ago, but I remember thinking then that she must not have given David Ritz (who wrote it with her) a CHANCE because he had collaborated with lots of other artists and their bios were quite good. Hers was a mess (to me) and she spent a whole lot of time disparaging other artists, including Gladys.

TD3 said:

Harlepolis said:

Ken Burns

Oh lord, where's Neal/theAudience when you need him? He rarely loses his cool untill this subject comes up. And rightfully so.

Thats one of my fave documentaries, but even I should admit that it was a TOTAL slap to the face of the fusion artists who made some classic statements in the 70s.

On a whole the PBS Jazz documentary for me, was wanting, very wanting.

Yes, it was very disrespectful, wrong, and really that documentary was, ugly. Some how Marsalis and Crouch have been allowed to corner and define what Jazz music is. They have an opinion as I as you, and we may not agree and that's fine but don't sit-up and present those two men opinion as fact.

My question is, "How and the hell can you reconcile a form of music (Jazz) which is based on improvisation, one of the basic elements that sets jazz apart from other types of music and then turn around and define it as an orthodoxy? Is it me or is this a contradiction in terms? If that's the case the music would've never evolved - spawning a variety of subgenres. Louis Armstrong nor Duke Ellington were all that giddy about Bebop; both were puzzled by it. The same howls about Bebop and Hard Bop... were made just a Marsalis and Crouch have done about Acid Jazz, Free Jazz, Avant - Garde, Latin Jazz Fusion whatever. When I listen to Ragtime, Dixieland bands, Big Band, Swing, Bebop (Hard Bop), the latter turning scales, harmony, melody on it's ear what else could Davis and others do but keep it moving? I agree with Miles, 'you can't go back to the womb'. (IMO) That's was Marsalis is, he's a cover band.

I said it, I mean it, and I'm running.

You have to remember that the bulk of critics(some of them, still) didn't approve of the Bebop movement, so you can figure out what they think of the fusion movement.

Stanley & Wayne mirror those feelings, of course you'll see why folks put their view on a pedestal.

TonyVanDam said:

Harlepolis said:

OMG, Aretha Franklin, ya'll

Read her autobiography,,,,or better yet, don't. Its better to enjoy her music alone without worrying about her attitude.

Oh good freaking grief , Aretha used to treat her then-husband Glynn Truman wrong. And her clash with Luther Vandross (no angel by any means) is very legendary. And lest not forget about that time when Aretha wanted to called Beyonce out (but surprisely didn't by name) for calling Tina Turner "The Queen" instead of her. Hell yeah, Aretha's ego is about as big as her bulldogs for breasts.

Im interested to hear why LV wasn't an angel. I'm a huge fan but I never knew much about his private life.

Prince

Oasis

Early David Bowie

That's pretty much all i can think of at the moment.

As everybody else said, Prince.

I love Prince and have been a fan of his for the past 11 years, but his overinflated ego at times make Kanye look humble. Dude is fucking 52 years old and he still acts like a bratty child and comes off as controlling if he doesn't get his way. Someone should have picked him up and shake some damn fear in Prince a long ass time ago.

Kanye West. Ever since he came out, he's been acting like a baby. I like him a lot and although his egotism at times is not as bad as Prince's, he really need to learn to shut the fuck up when it's necessary.

Bow Wow- I don't even really like him anymore, but I just want to mention him anyway. For the past couple of years this fucker has been acting like a damn big shot and he's not. When he was a teenager this dumbass was trying to beef with grown ass people, even Ronald Isley, of all fucking people.

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TonyVanDam said:

Diana Ross -- She is one of the reasons why the word "diva" has the same meaning as "bitch". Yes, she is a legend, Motown & post-Motown. But her outta of control ego from back in the days was a total disgrace. And lest not forget that she is THE queen of F***ing For Tracks due to way she was able to get Berry Gordy to make up excuses for her since day 1.

Diana Ross...my mother used to work in a hotel and Diana used to go there, and my mom said she was really nice, but I don't know. To me, she's the paradigm of not only being a diva but also being a music industrial whore. I'm not going to even go there about her screwing Pimp Daddy Gordy and then popping a kid...to this day, I never really understood what Micahel ever saw in her... "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is one thing, but in this case, there isn't anything about like worth acknowledging.

Prince

Kanye West, well at least he keeps it entertaining

Justin Timberlake, I've seen a few interviews where he was rather mean towards Michael, then in another interview praising him for being his hero. Everyone's entitled to their opinion but just be consistent! He makes himself look like a complete ass by dissing him one second and then worshiping him in the next. Plus the whole Janet thing.

Lilly Allen, too bitchy

Joss Stone, too immature

Eminem, too bitchy and too immature lol

Wowugotit said:

alphastreet said:

Justin Timberlake. I wanted to hate him, but his production team is good and I have both his albums. I don't like him as a person, and for what he did to janet.

What he did to Janet? Oh god, get over it!

Exactly. She is as responsible, if not more responsible, as he is for nipplegate. Gosh, it's not as if he spontaneously decided to tear her clothes off.