DesireeNevermind said:

Let's give it a dignified name...er uh....retirement? Yes these artist should retire from music and pursue other interests.

Ashanti (she really needs to quit....beyonce and ciara buried her long ago)

Solange Knowles (she had the nerve to even try)

Lionel Ritchie (he still livin?)

Eminem (yeah that's right- O>V>E>R)

Springstein ( I can't believe he still performs)

McCartney ( I can't believe he still performs)

Brittney Spears ( I wish she'd get married, preggo and have a nervous breakdown all over again)

Whitney Houston (poor chile)

Lloyd ( he was hot for a minute but the now the timer went off)

Rascal Flats ( I'd rather they succumb to meteor)

Tony Bennet ( he is just too damned old to even pee)

I take it you didn't like I Decided or T.O.N.Y

I thought they were both good songs considering what she

had to overcome to even get noticed and we know big sis

didn't even allow her to have the spotlight more than 5 minutes.

phunkdaddy said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Let's give it a dignified name...er uh....retirement? Yes these artist should retire from music and pursue other interests.

Ashanti (she really needs to quit....beyonce and ciara buried her long ago)

Solange Knowles (she had the nerve to even try)

Lionel Ritchie (he still livin?)

Eminem (yeah that's right- O>V>E>R)

Springstein ( I can't believe he still performs)

McCartney ( I can't believe he still performs)

Brittney Spears ( I wish she'd get married, preggo and have a nervous breakdown all over again)

Whitney Houston (poor chile)

Lloyd ( he was hot for a minute but the now the timer went off)

Rascal Flats ( I'd rather they succumb to meteor)

Tony Bennet ( he is just too damned old to even pee)

I take it you didn't like I Decided or T.O.N.Y

I thought they were both good songs considering what she

had to overcome to even get noticed and we know big sis

didn't even allow her to have the spotlight more than 5 minutes.

Eminem and Britney most definitely are over...wish they'd never started. But McCartney, Springstein, and yes, even Tony Bennet, can still sing and deliver a good show. You don't retire classics that are still in good condition!

phunkdaddy said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Let's give it a dignified name...er uh....retirement? Yes these artist should retire from music and pursue other interests.

Ashanti (she really needs to quit....beyonce and ciara buried her long ago)

Solange Knowles (she had the nerve to even try)

Lionel Ritchie (he still livin?)

Eminem (yeah that's right- O>V>E>R)

Springstein ( I can't believe he still performs)

McCartney ( I can't believe he still performs)

Brittney Spears ( I wish she'd get married, preggo and have a nervous breakdown all over again)

Whitney Houston (poor chile)

Lloyd ( he was hot for a minute but the now the timer went off)

Rascal Flats ( I'd rather they succumb to meteor)

Tony Bennet ( he is just too damned old to even pee)

I take it you didn't like I Decided or T.O.N.Y

I thought they were both good songs considering what she

had to overcome to even get noticed and we know big sis

didn't even allow her to have the spotlight more than 5 minutes.

I'd have to agree. Solange's effort was one fo tbe best to come out that year.

Some new artists who should have never got started

Train - They should never have left the station. If musical prowess could be compared to trains, they would a Richard Trethicks catch me who can (1807).

Lady Antebellum - Classic white trash country band, the name suggests they like Confederate society and their country music is anodyne crap not liked outside of kentucky or by anyone other than Almoretta Clampetta Brandine marks.

Boyzone - 35 year old fat balding Irishmen carrying on like they are still teenagers. Their new hit has some success in British territories (Not really USA though)

Michael Buble - These jazz crooners are boring and add nothing new.

Justin Beiber - Latest teeny pop sensation turned out by the Disney/Idol Mill, offers little more than instant hysteria amongst little girls and squeaky boy vocals.

Kris Allen - Latest Idol winner with a guaranteed one hit/ one album career and then obscurity

All my haters will notice I have not mentioned any shit hop acts or even black acts

Graycap23 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I'd take Prince's Crystal Ball release over the BEST of Mj's ENTIRE career output.

That 1997 set?

1 discs worth of quality out of 3, same as Emancipation (with it's horrible flat production) suffers.

'Tell me How U Wanna B Done', 'Lovesign', 'So Dark', 'Lovesign', ' Strays of The World' The horrible mixes of P Control and Loose, all horrible.

However, The 1986/7 material is fabulous, and to me, that says it all.

SoulAlive said:

Arnotts said:

Well I do still think your wrong as I wouldnt of crossed out most the songs you did.

Mine would be

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

There would be alot more crosses on Dangerous and Invincible though. Hell most of Off The Wall would be crossed out by me and replaced with Destiny and Triumph songs.

'Off The Wall' is Michael's best album!

Yeah I know thats the general consensus, but I've never been into it. Its nothing to do with not liking the sound from that time either as the two Jacksons album are some of my favourite things Michael ever did. I've just always thought Off The Wall was very samey and lacked anything personal. I love Michael the most when hes darker and more introspective like the mid to late 90's era and the early 80's Jackson periods.

Arnotts said:

errant said:

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

well gosh darn it, I was wrong. Bad was almost 50% too. I always remember it being better than it is. I guess because I usually skip those tracks.

Well I do still think your wrong as I wouldnt of crossed out most the songs you did.

Mine would be

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

There would be alot more crosses on Dangerous and Invincible though. Hell most of Off The Wall would be crossed out by me and replaced with Destiny and Triumph songs.

I'll be one of the few who agree with your unpopular opinion that Off The Wall is overrated. I think when people give it such high praise compared to Thriller they are forgetting that snoozefest of AM Gold schmaltz that stretches right through the middle section of the album.

Whitney Houston - She's done.

R. Kelly - If he keeps acting immature and releasing young teeny bopper crap.

Ciara - Stop embarssing yourself.

Keri Hilson - Girl, stop.

P. Diddy - That Bad Boy reign ended when Biggie died. Get over it.

trueiopian said:

Whitney Houston - She's done.

R. Kelly - If he keeps acting immature and releasing young teeny bopper crap.

Ciara - Stop embarssing yourself.

Keri Hilson - Girl, stop.

P. Diddy - That Bad Boy reign ended when Biggie died. Get over it.

I agree with all of this.

SoulAlive said:

AlexdeParis said:

"Liberian Girl" and "Another Part of Me" are two of the album's best songs (#3 and #4 IMO).

I agree In fact,those are my two favorite songs on that album.

Those two songs and "Man In The Mirror" are the highlights of that album.The remaining songs are either mediocre ("The Way You Make Me Feel",title track) or just plain lousy ("Speed Demon","Smooth Criminal").

Smooth Criminal lousy?

I agree the album wasn't all that but Smooth Criminal was the

best track on the album imo. I thought Dangerous was a superior

album to Bad.

poetcorner61 said:

Very funny imo.

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree In fact,those are my two favorite songs on that album.

Those two songs and "Man In The Mirror" are the highlights of that album.The remaining songs are either mediocre ("The Way You Make Me Feel",title track) or just plain lousy ("Speed Demon","Smooth Criminal").

Smooth Criminal lousy?

I agree the album wasn't all that but Smooth Criminal was the

best track on the album imo. I thought Dangerous was a superior

album to Bad.

I never liked "Smooth Criminal" That song annoys me,with that silly,repetitive hook "Annie,are you okay...Annie,are you okay?".Many of the songs on 'Bad' sound as if they were written strictly for video interpretation,"Smooth Criminal" being the best example of this.

errant said:

AlexdeParis said:

Haven't we had this conversation before? "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper" are better than anything on Hard Candy, but the vast majority of Hard Candy is better than anything else on Erotica. Only the terrible last 2 songs of True Blue save Erotica from being Madonna's worst album.

well, sure, I guess Hard Candy is "fun" but considering the lyrics and vocals are completely phoned in, I just can't put it up there with Erotica, which I rate among her best. in fact, I'd say Hard Candy is possibly her worst full-fledged studio album to date.

It is. By miles.

As for MJ, I'd rank his studio albums this way:

Bad: 4.5 stars

Off the Wall: 4.5 stars

Dangerous: 4 stars

Thriller: 3.5-4 stars

HIStory: 3-3.5 stars

Invincible: 1.5 stars

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree In fact,those are my two favorite songs on that album.

Those two songs and "Man In The Mirror" are the highlights of that album.The remaining songs are either mediocre ("The Way You Make Me Feel",title track) or just plain lousy ("Speed Demon","Smooth Criminal").

Smooth Criminal lousy?

I agree the album wasn't all that but Smooth Criminal was the

best track on the album imo. I thought Dangerous was a superior

album to Bad.

Dangerous is probably my favorite album of his, absolutley loved all the songs, all strong productions. Invincible is my second favorite. Just unfortunate that the Los Angeles District Attorney filed the charges against Michael at the same time to coincide with the date Invincible dropped. Invincible was a very strong album, in my opinion. I believe it's success was derailed by the case and long trial that ensued. That was truly the beginning of the end. Michael would have turned that album out with videos and live performances. He would have worked that album for hits over the next 5 years, lol.

Moonbeam said:

As for MJ, I'd rank his studio albums this way:

Bad: 4.5 stars

Off the Wall: 4.5 stars

Dangerous: 4 stars

Thriller: 3.5-4 stars

HIStory: 3-3.5 stars

Invincible: 1.5 stars

Bad- 2 stars

Off The Wall- 4.5 stars

Dangerous- 3 stars

Thriller- 2.5-3 stars

NastradumasKid said:

Moonbeam said:

As for MJ, I'd rank his studio albums this way:

Bad: 4.5 stars

Off the Wall: 4.5 stars

Dangerous: 4 stars

Thriller: 3.5-4 stars

HIStory: 3-3.5 stars

Invincible: 1.5 stars

Bad- 2 stars

Off The Wall- 4.5 stars

Dangerous- 3 stars

Thriller- 2.5-3 stars

I imagine we both agree on this:

Everything Beyonce has ever recorded: negative 12 stars

Moonbeam said:

NastradumasKid said:

Bad- 2 stars

Off The Wall- 4.5 stars

Dangerous- 3 stars

Thriller- 2.5-3 stars

I imagine we both agree on this:

Everything Beyonce has ever recorded: negative 12 stars

You better watch out before her crazy fans attack you!!

SoulAlive said:

shorttrini said:

They have become a novelty act, without Maurice.

About ten years ago,Ralph said that he couldn't imagine doing this stuff when he's in his 60s.Well,I think they're all in their 60s now

Those guys (Ralph, Verdine, Phillip)are 58 and 59 respectively now. Maurice was

always 9 to 10 years older than his bandmates. He got an earlier start in music

than the rest of his bandmates being a session drummer for Chess artists and

eventually becoming a drummer for Ramsey Lewis band.

Jay-Z

Dr.Dre

minneapolisFunq said:

Jay-Z

Dr.Dre

Jay-z should have stayed in retirement...he's too damn old anyway.

Dr. Dre should just retire also because people have long stopped waiting for that supposed album he promised...like 11 years ago...

PDogz said:

phunkdaddy said:

Smooth Criminal lousy?

I agree the album wasn't all that but Smooth Criminal was the

best track on the album imo. I thought Dangerous was a superior

album to Bad.

Dangerous is probably my favorite album of his, absolutley loved all the songs, all strong productions. Invincible is my second favorite. Just unfortunate that the Los Angeles District Attorney filed the charges against Michael at the same time to coincide with the date Invincible dropped. Invincible was a very strong album, in my opinion. I believe it's success was derailed by the case and long trial that ensued. That was truly the beginning of the end. Michael would have turned that album out with videos and live performances. He would have worked that album for hits over the next 5 years, lol.

Yes Invincible was very underrated. The first two tracks on the album were lukewarm but

Micheal had some of his best ballads in years on that album(definitely better than You Are

Not Alone). It's no way in hell Butterflies shouldn't have been a number one hit which vocally

was Michael's 2001 version of Human Nature. Threatened was the highlight of the album

for me.

SoulAlive said:

'Off The Wall' is Michael's best album!

Absolutely - that's when he brought the dance and the funk!

uPtoWnNY said:

SoulAlive said:

'Off The Wall' is Michael's best album!

Absolutely - that's when he brought the dance and the funk!

In fact, that's probably the best album he has ever had...forget about Thriller, the only songs I like on that album is "Billie Jean" and "Beat It".

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

Smooth Criminal lousy?

I agree the album wasn't all that but Smooth Criminal was the

best track on the album imo. I thought Dangerous was a superior

album to Bad.

I never liked "Smooth Criminal" That song annoys me,with that silly,repetitive hook "Annie,are you okay...Annie,are you okay?".Many of the songs on 'Bad' sound as if they were written strictly for video interpretation,"Smooth Criminal" being the best example of this.

I like all the songs on Bad on some level, but I only rank two below "Smooth Criminal": "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" and "Just Good Friends." It's never been one of my favorites.

For my money, MJ's best solo album is Thriller. Fighting it out for second are Off the Wall and Dangerous.

uPtoWnNY said:

SoulAlive said:

'Off The Wall' is Michael's best album!

Absolutely - that's when he brought the dance and the funk!

why do some of you feel the neeed to discuss MJ on this thread

phunkdaddy said:

PDogz said:

Dangerous is probably my favorite album of his, absolutley loved all the songs, all strong productions. Invincible is my second favorite. Just unfortunate that the Los Angeles District Attorney filed the charges against Michael at the same time to coincide with the date Invincible dropped. Invincible was a very strong album, in my opinion. I believe it's success was derailed by the case and long trial that ensued. That was truly the beginning of the end. Michael would have turned that album out with videos and live performances. He would have worked that album for hits over the next 5 years, lol.

Yes Invincible was very underrated. The first two tracks on the album were lukewarm but

Micheal had some of his best ballads in years on that album(definitely better than You Are

Not Alone). It's no way in hell Butterflies shouldn't have been a number one hit which vocally

was Michael's 2001 version of Human Nature. Threatened was the highlight of the album

for me.

Aw man! I don't think too many people caught the genius of "Threatened". The way he sampled Rod Serlings various monologues from The Twilight Zone and rearranged the words to fit the song?!? That was GENIUS!!! Now THAT's how you sample!

PDogz said:

phunkdaddy said:

Yes Invincible was very underrated. The first two tracks on the album were lukewarm but

Micheal had some of his best ballads in years on that album(definitely better than You Are

Not Alone). It's no way in hell Butterflies shouldn't have been a number one hit which vocally

was Michael's 2001 version of Human Nature. Threatened was the highlight of the album

for me.

Aw man! I don't think too many people caught the genius of "Threatened". The way he sampled Rod Serlings various monologues from The Twilight Zone and rearranged the words to fit the song?!? That was GENIUS!!! Now THAT's how you sample!

AND....it sounded like Rod Serling was spittin' rhymes.

phunkdaddy said:

PDogz said:

Dangerous is probably my favorite album of his, absolutley loved all the songs, all strong productions. Invincible is my second favorite. Just unfortunate that the Los Angeles District Attorney filed the charges against Michael at the same time to coincide with the date Invincible dropped. Invincible was a very strong album, in my opinion. I believe it's success was derailed by the case and long trial that ensued. That was truly the beginning of the end. Michael would have turned that album out with videos and live performances. He would have worked that album for hits over the next 5 years, lol.

Yes Invincible was very underrated. The first two tracks on the album were lukewarm but

Micheal had some of his best ballads in years on that album(definitely better than You Are

Not Alone). It's no way in hell Butterflies shouldn't have been a number one hit which vocally

was Michael's 2001 version of Human Nature.

I agree....the ballads/slow jams on 'Invincible' are excellent:

"Heaven Can Wait"

"Butterflies"

"Break Of Dawn"

"Whatever Happens" with Santana

"Speechless"

The problem is,the uptempo tracks aren't very good.Those songs sound stale and outdated.He should have kept those 5 songs that I listed,and worked with another producer (Pharrell?) on six strong uptempo tracks.