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PrintableFrenchGuy said: TonyVanDam said: How about because of the fact that there were a lot of tracks in the late 70's & early 80's that were uptempo and the drum machine beats (especially the Linn LM-1 & Roland TR-808) on most of those recording were hard.....not like most of the music from the late 90's and damn nearly all of the 2000's where the tracks were at a slow downtempo of 95 BPM or less and the (Fisher Price-like sounding) drum machine beats were soft Boom Boom tap da Boom. KEY WORD: tempo If all gerne today (synths or no synths) were at a danceable tempo between 110 & 136 BPM, then fair enough. But 95 BPM or less? Damn that, we need to bitch about this problem. Well actually the majority of synth-based music in the 1990s and the 2000s was 'dance' (or Eurodance/techno/house, however U call it) and a fair share of pop music with a fast BPM (mostly around 110-120 BPM)... Still no love... 
Though I think slowing down the music made things worse, even back in the 90s , uptempo electronic/synth music wasnt appreciated thath much... I remember my big bro (whos a drummer) always mocking the 'toy sounding'... And he HATES synth funk... No music without big ass horn section and 25000 background vocalists should be called "funk", according to him!!  1. Granted, I was never ever a fan of trance. That genre comes off as classical wannabe. But that's just my bitter opinion.
But I was always a supporter of synth-funk, breakbeats, house (Chicago & French), techno (Detriot), electro, & synth-pop (which inspired electrocrash in the 2000's). As for jungle/d&b, I was only into Roni Size/Reprezent, since they were THE only ones from the genre that know how to write lyrics sometimes. 2. I take it that you big brother HATED Prince, Roger Troutman, Dazz Band, Ready For The World, & The Deele for promoting synths. I bet he thinks George Clintion sold out for releasing Atomic Dog!  | |
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theAudience said: First of all, I don't see all this "hate" you're referring to.
Second, it's not about the instrument/s used, it would boil down to whether the song is any good. A few years ago, I saw a solo concert (meaning he was the only musician) by Thomas Dolby done completely with electronic instruments: http://prince.org/msg/8/185529 What made it an entertaining and watchable performance was that the songs were extremely good. That's the bottom line. Music for adventurous listeners tA  Tribal RecordsAnd also, Thomas is one of those artists that knows what he's doing with his MIDI programming.  | |
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TonyVanDam said: FrenchGuy said: Well actually the majority of synth-based music in the 1990s and the 2000s was 'dance' (or Eurodance/techno/house, however U call it) and a fair share of pop music with a fast BPM (mostly around 110-120 BPM)... Still no love...
Though I think slowing down the music made things worse, even back in the 90s , uptempo electronic/synth music wasnt appreciated thath much... I remember my big bro (whos a drummer) always mocking the 'toy sounding'... And he HATES synth funk... No music without big ass horn section and 25000 background vocalists should be called "funk", according to him!! 1. Granted, I was never ever a fan of trance. That genre comes off as classical wannabe. But that's just my bitter opinion.
But I was always a supporter of synth-funk, breakbeats, house (Chicago & French), techno (Detriot), electro, & synth-pop (which inspired electrocrash in the 2000's). As for jungle/d&b, I was only into Roni Size/Reprezent, since they were THE only ones from the genre that know how to write lyrics sometimes. 2. I take it that you big brother HATED Prince, Roger Troutman, Dazz Band, Ready For The World, & The Deele for promoting synths. I bet he thinks George Clintion sold out for releasing Atomic Dog! I loved house. House sounded like a reincarnated modern version of disco. House songs had rhythm and were danceable. When it turned to trance though, I hated it. It actually became too fast to dance to and all rhythm was taken out of it. All I ever see is people hopping around like rabbits to it. No ass shaking whatsoever. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: There's nothing wrong with the synths. Prince's "1999" album or Gary Numan's "Cars" sound great because it sounds very cold, dark, and futuristic like we imagined the 2000s would sound like (little did we know the 2000s would be duller than ever). With everything, it's the type that's used. Synths like those sound cold and futuristic where synths like Snoop Doggy Dogg uses sounds very cheap and childish. They remind me of Mickey Mouse when I hear them.
Drum machines are another problem. I'm damn sick of people throwing Prince's "1999" album up when we shit on today's music. Everyone knows damn well the type of drum machines used today sound nothing like the ones Prince used. Today's barely tap where's Prince's pounded. Prince also used real drums with the drum machines which gave the songs power. That's the difference in the "1999" album and the "MPLShit" album. Today's drum machines sound shit hoppish. The 1980s drum machines didn't sound shit hoppish because shit hop wasn't invented yet. House music drum machines sound great too. They just have a different sound but they pound hard and sound good. The bottom line is, today's songs have a shit hop sounding drum machine on them which are the drum machines that just barely tap and then the no taste bastards play them at a damn slow ass opera tempo which makes them sound even worse. It's not the fact that it's drum machines or synths that makes today's music sound cheap and horrible. It's the fact that they use them in a shit hop sounding way because shit hop is THE worst sounding thing in the entire history of music. Let the bullshit die already.  MPLShit! | |
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vainandy said: I loved house. House sounded like a reincarnated modern version of disco. House songs had rhythm and were danceable. When it turned to trance though, I hated it. It actually became too fast to dance to and all rhythm was taken out of it. All I ever see is people hopping around like rabbits to it. No ass shaking whatsoever. Those are the ones on MDMA. One of the reasons why rave culture suffered a downfall in the USA is because some ravers were too damn honest about the happy drugs they needs to feel trance, never mind enhancing the light shows in their mind. [Edited 5/12/10 13:46pm] | |
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vainandy said: There's nothing wrong with the synths. Prince's "1999" album or Gary Numan's "Cars" sound great because it sounds very cold, dark, and futuristic like we imagined the 2000s would sound like (little did we know the 2000s would be duller than ever). With everything, it's the type that's used. Synths like those sound cold and futuristic where synths like Snoop Doggy Dogg uses sounds very cheap and childish. They remind me of Mickey Mouse when I hear them.
Drum machines are another problem. I'm damn sick of people throwing Prince's "1999" album up when we shit on today's music. Everyone knows damn well the type of drum machines used today sound nothing like the ones Prince used. Today's barely tap where's Prince's pounded. Prince also used real drums with the drum machines which gave the songs power. That's the difference in the "1999" album and the "MPLShit" album. Today's drum machines sound shit hoppish. The 1980s drum machines didn't sound shit hoppish because shit hop wasn't invented yet. House music drum machines sound great too. They just have a different sound but they pound hard and sound good. The bottom line is, today's songs have a shit hop sounding drum machine on them which are the drum machines that just barely tap and then the no taste bastards play them at a damn slow ass opera tempo which makes them sound even worse. It's not the fact that it's drum machines or synths that makes today's music sound cheap and horrible. It's the fact that they use them in a shit hop sounding way because shit hop is THE worst sounding thing in the entire history of music. Let the bullshit die already.  ... 
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vainandy said: There's nothing wrong with the synths. Prince's "1999" album or Gary Numan's "Cars" sound great because it sounds very cold, dark, and futuristic like we imagined the 2000s would sound like (little did we know the 2000s would be duller than ever). With everything, it's the type that's used. Synths like those sound cold and futuristic where synths like Snoop Doggy Dogg uses sounds very cheap and childish. They remind me of Mickey Mouse when I hear them.
Drum machines are another problem. I'm damn sick of people throwing Prince's "1999" album up when we shit on today's music. Everyone knows damn well the type of drum machines used today sound nothing like the ones Prince used. Today's barely tap where's Prince's pounded. Prince also used real drums with the drum machines which gave the songs power. That's the difference in the "1999" album and the "MPLShit" album. Today's drum machines sound shit hoppish. The 1980s drum machines didn't sound shit hoppish because shit hop wasn't invented yet. House music drum machines sound great too. They just have a different sound but they pound hard and sound good. The bottom line is, today's songs have a shit hop sounding drum machine on them which are the drum machines that just barely tap and then the no taste bastards play them at a damn slow ass opera tempo which makes them sound even worse. It's not the fact that it's drum machines or synths that makes today's music sound cheap and horrible. It's the fact that they use them in a shit hop sounding way because shit hop is THE worst sounding thing in the entire history of music. Let the bullshit die already.  | |
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I think the synths can only be used for pop and funk and if used well it can still be a beautiful thing. Roisin Murphy and Goldfrapp are good examples of it being creative. | |
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Timmy84 said: I think the synths can only be used for pop and funk and if used well it can still be a beautiful thing. Roisin Murphy and Goldfrapp are good examples of it being creative.
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I'm going to post some more videos from the past few years that are heavy on the songs and heavier on the awesomeness!
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vainandy said: There's nothing wrong with the synths. Prince's "1999" album or Gary Numan's "Cars" sound great because it sounds very cold, dark, and futuristic like we imagined the 2000s would sound like (little did we know the 2000s would be duller than ever). With everything, it's the type that's used. Synths like those sound cold and futuristic where synths like Snoop Doggy Dogg uses sounds very cheap and childish. They remind me of Mickey Mouse when I hear them.
Drum machines are another problem. I'm damn sick of people throwing Prince's "1999" album up when we shit on today's music. Everyone knows damn well the type of drum machines used today sound nothing like the ones Prince used. Today's barely tap where's Prince's pounded. Prince also used real drums with the drum machines which gave the songs power. That's the difference in the "1999" album and the "MPLShit" album. Today's drum machines sound shit hoppish. The 1980s drum machines didn't sound shit hoppish because shit hop wasn't invented yet. House music drum machines sound great too. They just have a different sound but they pound hard and sound good. The bottom line is, today's songs have a shit hop sounding drum machine on them which are the drum machines that just barely tap and then the no taste bastards play them at a damn slow ass opera tempo which makes them sound even worse. It's not the fact that it's drum machines or synths that makes today's music sound cheap and horrible. It's the fact that they use them in a shit hop sounding way because shit hop is THE worst sounding thing in the entire history of music. Let the bullshit die already. Exactly. I do like the fact that they pulled out synths again recently (2005 - 2010) in r&b but its the songwriting and production that falls short. I have heard some good stuff like... "Kelly's 12 Play" by The Dream or "Friend Lover" by Electrik Red however lots of r&b these days could just plainly use live instrumentation and better songwriting instead! Tell that to people like Joe, Brandy, Monica, Keyshia Cole and all them that still use drum machines for music....Bryan Michael Cox..JD..all them need to learn. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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The instrument of choice is irrelevant, the TALENT is NOT. | |
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'mechanical' pfft what are those people listening too? metal in a blender?
ridiculing people for using that sort of music is basically like someone thousands of years ago saying people like prince's music is poor because 'people don't invent their own instruments any more' they talk about it being 'pre-rendered' well when you think about it, every guitar string note is pre-rendered, all your doing is plucking it so a sound comes out, hardly any different to pressing a button and hearing 'kick' or 'clap' surely coming up with the sound in your head and panning it out into sound is what counts ''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal'' | |
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