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Reply #30 posted 05/08/10 5:24pm

Timmy84

So that hints that when Stevie had originally done it and Gladys Knight had joined Motown, that Gladys was probably the intended vocalist. Strangely enough between 1967 and 1973, I wonder what happened but Atlantic convinced Stevie to give the song to Aretha. Jerry Wexler changed it so it could fit Aretha and the rest is history.
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Reply #31 posted 05/08/10 6:01pm

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Timmy, if you listen to what she says at the beginning of this song, it sounds as if Stevie wrote it with her in mind all along....


"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
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Reply #32 posted 05/08/10 6:03pm

Timmy84

shorttrini said:

Timmy, if you listen to what she says at the beginning of this song, it sounds as if Stevie wrote it with her in mind all along....




Good possibility. Not saying it's not true. lol Clearly it's an issue Gladys has I guess. shrug
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Reply #33 posted 05/08/10 6:07pm

Timmy84

I actually remembered seeing this on TV a while back. nod I think Aretha won an award for ESSENCE or something and Stevie was honoring her, not too sure. But I think it's quite clear that Aretha looked back to her Detroit roots with her version. Stevie looked out for his fellow Detroit homegirl. lol
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Reply #34 posted 05/08/10 6:41pm

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Timmy84 said:

I actually remembered seeing this on TV a while back. nod I think Aretha won an award for ESSENCE or something and Stevie was honoring her, not too sure. But I think it's quite clear that Aretha looked back to her Detroit roots with her version. Stevie looked out for his fellow Detroit homegirl. lol



There is just something about her version that just gets me every time. I feel the same way about, Marvin's version of "Heard it through the grapevine. Gladys' just seems blah to me.
"Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth"
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Reply #35 posted 05/08/10 6:44pm

Timmy84

shorttrini said:

Timmy84 said:

I actually remembered seeing this on TV a while back. nod I think Aretha won an award for ESSENCE or something and Stevie was honoring her, not too sure. But I think it's quite clear that Aretha looked back to her Detroit roots with her version. Stevie looked out for his fellow Detroit homegirl. lol



There is just something about her version that just gets me every time. I feel the same way about, Marvin's version of "Heard it through the grapevine. Gladys' just seems blah to me.


lol I feel ya.
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Reply #36 posted 05/08/10 7:57pm

TonyVanDam

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shorttrini said:

Timmy, if you listen to what she says at the beginning of this song, it sounds as if Stevie wrote it with her in mind all along....




THIS^ song works as a duet. nod
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Reply #37 posted 05/08/10 8:00pm

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shorttrini said:

There is just something about her version that just gets me every time.

That's how I feel about the original. I love both versions, but Stevie's touches me more. Aretha sounds like she fully expects ol' boy to come running back at any moment. Stevie sings it like he's hoping she comes back, but he doesn't really expect it. It's that vulnerability that gives it the edge for me. To put it another way, it's like Aretha is singing it to her ex-lover in hopes of getting him back while Stevie is singing it to himself pining for lost love. I like that melancholy feel a little better.
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Reply #38 posted 05/08/10 8:04pm

Timmy84

AlexdeParis said:

shorttrini said:

There is just something about her version that just gets me every time.

That's how I feel about the original. I love both versions, but Stevie's touches me more. Aretha sounds like she fully expects ol' boy to come running back at any moment. Stevie sings it like he's hoping she comes back, but he doesn't really expect it. It's that vulnerability that gives it the edge for me. To put it another way, it's like Aretha is singing it to her ex-lover in hopes of getting him back while Stevie is singing it to himself pining for lost love. I like that melancholy feel a little better.


Yeah Stevie's more sad. Aretha's more hopeful lol
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Reply #39 posted 05/08/10 8:05pm

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shorttrini said:

Timmy84 said:

I actually remembered seeing this on TV a while back. nod I think Aretha won an award for ESSENCE or something and Stevie was honoring her, not too sure. But I think it's quite clear that Aretha looked back to her Detroit roots with her version. Stevie looked out for his fellow Detroit homegirl. lol



There is just something about her version that just gets me every time. I feel the same way about, Marvin's version of "Heard it through the grapevine. Gladys' just seems blah to me.


The funny part is the fact that Marvin's version is the REAL original, the way Norman like it. But Motown founder/CEO Berry Gordy wasn't convince that the track was a potential hit. So Norman was force to produce a upbeat version for Gladys Knight & The Pips to prove Berry wrong.
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Reply #40 posted 05/08/10 8:08pm

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TonyVanDam said:

shorttrini said:




There is just something about her version that just gets me every time. I feel the same way about, Marvin's version of "Heard it through the grapevine. Gladys' just seems blah to me.


The funny part is the fact that Marvin's version is the REAL original, the way Norman like it. But Motown founder/CEO Berry Gordy wasn't convince that the track was a potential hit. So Norman was force to produce a upbeat version for Gladys Knight & The Pips to prove Berry wrong.


WOW! I didn't know that.
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Reply #41 posted 05/08/10 8:11pm

Timmy84

TonyVanDam said:

shorttrini said:




There is just something about her version that just gets me every time. I feel the same way about, Marvin's version of "Heard it through the grapevine. Gladys' just seems blah to me.


The funny part is the fact that Marvin's version is the REAL original, the way Norman like it. But Motown founder/CEO Berry Gordy wasn't convince that the track was a potential hit. So Norman was force to produce a upbeat version for Gladys Knight & The Pips to prove Berry wrong.


And after that he kept pushing for Marvin's to be released. When it finally did, it surpassed Gladys' version.
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Reply #42 posted 05/08/10 8:11pm

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Sista Franklin's version. thumbs up!


Here's another version, it's a twofer.... one version is "acoustic".


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Reply #43 posted 05/08/10 8:19pm

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Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:



The funny part is the fact that Marvin's version is the REAL original, the way Norman like it. But Motown founder/CEO Berry Gordy wasn't convince that the track was a potential hit. So Norman was force to produce a upbeat version for Gladys Knight & The Pips to prove Berry wrong.


And after that he kept pushing for Marvin's to be released. When it finally did, it surpassed Gladys' version.


Gladys' version: #2 r&b #16 pop (I think)

Marvin's version: #1 r&b #3 pop
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Reply #44 posted 05/08/10 9:49pm

Timmy84

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:



And after that he kept pushing for Marvin's to be released. When it finally did, it surpassed Gladys' version.


Gladys' version: #2 r&b #16 pop (I think)

Marvin's version: #1 r&b #3 pop


WRONG!

Gladys: #1 R&B, #2 pop
Marvin's: #1 R&B, #1 pop, #1 in the UK also

Gladys' version sold two million, Marvin's four million.
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Reply #45 posted 05/08/10 10:30pm

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Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:



Gladys' version: #2 r&b #16 pop (I think)

Marvin's version: #1 r&b #3 pop


WRONG!

Gladys: #1 R&B, #2 pop
Marvin's: #1 R&B, #1 pop, #1 in the UK also

Gladys' version sold two million, Marvin's four million.

Marvin's was the biggest-selling Motown single of the decade.
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Reply #46 posted 05/09/10 12:08am

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TD3 said:

Sista Franklin's version. thumbs up!


Here's another version, it's a twofer.... one version is "acoustic".




Thankies for findin' this TD3....woot!

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Reply #47 posted 05/09/10 12:43am

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Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:



Gladys' version: #2 r&b #16 pop (I think)

Marvin's version: #1 r&b #3 pop


WRONG!

Gladys: #1 R&B, #2 pop
Marvin's: #1 R&B, #1 pop, #1 in the UK also

Gladys' version sold two million, Marvin's four million.


Gladys' version did NOT rank that high on the pop charts. Where are the sources?
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Reply #48 posted 05/09/10 12:46am

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AlexdeParis said:

Timmy84 said:



WRONG!

Gladys: #1 R&B, #2 pop
Marvin's: #1 R&B, #1 pop, #1 in the UK also

Gladys' version sold two million, Marvin's four million.

Marvin's was the biggest-selling Motown single of the decade.


Did The Beatles have that record BEFORE Marvin broke it?
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Reply #49 posted 05/09/10 2:28am

Timmy84

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:



WRONG!

Gladys: #1 R&B, #2 pop
Marvin's: #1 R&B, #1 pop, #1 in the UK also

Gladys' version sold two million, Marvin's four million.


Gladys' version did NOT rank that high on the pop charts. Where are the sources?


Are you high? lol

Billboard's Joel Whitburn confirmed that number. Hell you can google it on Google if you want. lol
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Reply #50 posted 05/09/10 2:31am

Timmy84

TonyVanDam said:

AlexdeParis said:


Marvin's was the biggest-selling Motown single of the decade.


Did The Beatles have that record BEFORE Marvin broke it?


Well Motown didn't count their sales BEFORE 1977. These sales were documented though. They DID say it was the biggest-selling Motown recording of the sixties. No one else was selling like the Beatles except Motown.
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Reply #51 posted 05/09/10 2:36am

Timmy84

That's the first time I seen this: #16 pop?! #3 pop?! lol

Where did you get YOUR source? lol
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Reply #52 posted 05/09/10 2:37am

Timmy84

Getting back on subject, Aretha's version of "Until You Come Back to Me" DID go #1 R&B and #3 pop. nod
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Reply #53 posted 05/09/10 2:51am

Timmy84

Tony, I suggest you check this link:
http://books.google.com/b...68&f=false

This is from a BILLBOARD 1968 archive, now look at the POP SINGLES section, look at where Gladys' "Grapevine" is at. Don't look like it peaked at no damn #16 to me. lol See if you get off your ass researching tin foil shit and do Motown research, you won't look confused. hah!

THAT WEEK that I gave you the link on, it was #9, but look at what it was about 2 weeks prior (#2)!!!! nod
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Reply #54 posted 05/09/10 2:54am

Timmy84

Pop charts showed you what week it was, R&B charts didn't/don't do that, they just showed you where it would be last week.
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Reply #55 posted 05/09/10 2:57am

Timmy84

Alright. JANUARY 6, 1968:

http://books.google.com/b...&q&f=false

#1 R&B for Gladys... scroll down...

It was #4 on the POP CHARTS that week!

OK, lemme find an earlier article...
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Reply #56 posted 05/09/10 2:59am

Timmy84

http://books.google.com/b...&q&f=false

DECEMBER 30, 1967 - IT PEAKS AT #2!!!! HOT 100/POP! Now tell me where you get #16 NUMBER! lol
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Reply #57 posted 05/09/10 3:02am

Timmy84

According to Billboard, on December 16, 1967, "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" (Gladys' version) peaked at number two on the Hot 100. It hit number-one on the R&B chart in January 1968.
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Reply #58 posted 05/09/10 3:08am

Timmy84

On December 14, 1968, Marvin Gaye's version of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" peaked at number one on the HOT 100:

http://books.google.com/b...&q&f=false

And here's an article from the same damn page:

MOTOWN SWEEPS TOP 3 SPOTS ON HOT 100

NEW YORK - The Motown Record Corp. took over the singles sweepstakes this week scoring on Billboard's Hot 100 chart with the top three positions and a total of five discs in the top 20.

Leading the takeover is Marvin Gaye's "I Heard It Through the Grapevine" on Tamla...

You can read the rest of the article but the LINKS ARE THE PUDDING. Now you can say it was hard to read but if so, GET GLASSES or a MICROSCOPE. lol

Don't be talking to me about no Motown, I'll cut ya. lol
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Reply #59 posted 05/09/10 7:29am

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TonyVanDam said:

AlexdeParis said:


Marvin's was the biggest-selling Motown single of the decade.


Did The Beatles have that record BEFORE Marvin broke it?

Since the Beatles didn't record for Motown, no. wink lol
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