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Printablewhatsgoingon said: midiscover said: I agree, with you to an extent. I still think Janet is far more talented. She can do just about everything. janet ain't as talented as MJ was by a mile. Her voice is weak and she was practically taught to dance by Paula Abdul. I've seen Janet dance before Paula Abdul got hold of her and I wasn't impressed!! Having said that I do believe some of her albums were better produced than MJ latter stuff. MJ fell down when he tried to be all things to all people, his sound waa all over the place on those latter albums. Janet never tried to do that, her music was more focus and her songs were actually better in some cases. The JANET album, imo has albums like BAD, DANGEROUS and HISTORY beat. Having said that I do believe without her producers and her family name she wouldn't achieve the success she reached. Apparently Jimmy Jam & Lewis only wanted to work with her initially because she was a Jackson! Yeah, I've heard that before. And wasn't Prince involved with all of this somehow? I've read that Janet was a fan of Prince and his albums in the early 80s, loved the Minneapolis Sound in general, and therefore wanted to work with Jam and Lewis (ex-members of Prince's camp) after they were no longer with The Time and became successful producers. And on the other hand, I've also read that once Prince fired Jam and Lewis, they were angry and retaliated by wanting to work with a name (Jackson) that is more powerful in the industry than his was, and finally had the opportunity when Janet showed her interest. That's what I've always believed. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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bboy87 said: sleepyq said: Uuuh... I dont think Janet is more talented than MJ! She had better routines, but... come on now! 
But her work is far, far superior, its not even funny. Michael could never come up with something as brilliant as RN1814. Thats why he was so mad, talkin about "Janet got it from me." He was mad he dint think of it first!
Dangerous was a RN1814 attempt, but he failed to eclipse Janet's landmark record. Janet left him in the dust witth the 3-4 punch of janet, TVR, A4U, and DJ. While he wass till tryna be Peter Pan at 40 YO, she was developing as an artist and exploring new subject matter, sounds, and imagery. And of course, Janet has never created anything as shitastic as Invisible.
Michael may be more talented, but that doesn't mean he made the best music or videos. Whats the use of talent when u cant utililize it? Janet > Michael End of. but Dangerous sounds nothing like RN Exactly.
Janet with Jam and Lewis did not sound anything like Mike with Bill Bottrell and Teddy Riley. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: seeingvoices12 said: Of course ...Peace  She always seemed so confident in this period with the Janet Album & tour & interviews more so than any other period. Besides now I agree. She "owned" it more during this period. She seemed less timid, and she wasn't afraid to tell it like it is, even if it was about another celeb or a family member. I think the character of "Justice" stayed with her a long time after filming wrapped on Poetic Justice. "Get up off that grey line" | |
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murph said: midiscover said: So you have a new argument - that albums weren't selling. Can you explain Control? What about AC/DC, GNR, Bruce Springsteen, Prince, etc.!? Did I ever say "struggling"? You didn't have to say it, hun. It's all there. Jimmy Jam is the one that made it out to be that he and Terry weren't successful. I'm just the messenger. Their story starts off with working with Prince and jumps right to their with Janet - at least that's how the public says it. I'm sure you read it. I mentioned that early only a few acts were even selling albums in the early '80s...I mentioned that Thriller changed all that (1982) opening the floodgates (I didn't think I had to name check Prince, Bruce and the like since common sense would tell you that A)their biggest album's, sales wise, both followed the explosion of Thriller and MTV and B) those projects were not looked at as R&B albums....)... I mentioned the segregation policies of the music business as it pertained to radio/MTV/R&B) was still happening after the success of Thriller and in the mid '80s..You just didn't want to read it (or understand it) for whatever reason...Then you started placing words in my mouth to shield the fact that you are making some puzzling comments... As for Jimmy's comments that they were not superstar producers pre-Control, this hardly means that they were struggling (or not successful...which was my whole point to begin with...They were successful before Janet...Janet was not...Just not at the levels you want them to be...)....You took what you wanted out of his statement (Them measuring themselves against Q does not mean they lacked success pre-Control...Common sense will tell you that since they were big enough for Janet to want to work with them in the first place)...What it really comes down to is you have no idea what you are talking about...And again, I understand why...You have to do some research on the matter and then you'll get an idea about some of the things I'm trying to convey...Once you do that then we can finish our back and forth...Because it's hard trying to have a serious discussion with someone who doesn't have context of what was going on back then... Be good and get back to me when you check out some of the things I've said... Peace... [Edited 3/3/10 1:23am] Wow Murph, I admire your PATIENCE. I couldn't do it man. I can appreciate anyone who tries to hip someone with musical history and facts. | |
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whatsgoingon said: midiscover said: I agree, with you to an extent. I still think Janet is far more talented. She can do just about everything. janet ain't as talented as MJ was by a mile. Her voice is weak and she was practically taught to dance by Paula Abdul. I've seen Janet dance before Paula Abdul got hold of her and I wasn't impressed!! Having said that I do believe some of her albums were better produced than MJ latter stuff. MJ fell down when he tried to be all things to all people, his sound waa all over the place on those latter albums. Janet never tried to do that, her music was more focus and her songs were actually better in some cases. The JANET album, imo has albums like BAD, DANGEROUS and HISTORY beat. Having said that I do believe without her producers and her family name she wouldn't achieve the success she reached. Apparently Jimmy Jam & Lewis only wanted to work with her initially because she was a Jackson! The bold area is where you have lost your way. Apparently you've never seen the TV show Fame. Fame was before she started to work with Paula Abdul, and it more than proved those skeptics wrong who said Paula is the one who "taught" her how to dance. "Get up off that grey line" | |
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midiscover said: KCOOLMUZIQ said: No I totally disagree with U on this. She was depressed in her Velvet Rope period. That is when her breakdown happen. This period she was more on top of the world. Her & Rene were doing good. Velvet Rope is when her relationship fell apart and she start realizing she was being used and betrayed. Her "relationship" with Tina Landon was ending also... Her depression during the janet. era is what resulted in The Velvet Rope and yes she was still depressed in the Velvet Rope era but it wasn't as bad as it was in the janet. era. I'm talking about the later part of the janet. era not the beginning. At the time she said she was recapping her life and it felt like all the depression hit a new low because she was always depressed but would push it aside and hide it. I'll post the interview if I find it but Janet talks about being on the last leg of her tour and being very depressed and lonely. She said she wrote many songs during that time period and that's how we got the Velvet Rope. Oh and Janet's relationship was falling apart in the janet. era as well. Yes, she was on top of the world but for some reason she felt guilty for all her success. I'll accept that it started in the later part of the Janet era & continued. True because it was during the recording process of The Velvet Rope...  will ALWAYS think of  like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: midiscover said: Her depression during the janet. era is what resulted in The Velvet Rope and yes she was still depressed in the Velvet Rope era but it wasn't as bad as it was in the janet. era. I'm talking about the later part of the janet. era not the beginning. At the time she said she was recapping her life and it felt like all the depression hit a new low because she was always depressed but would push it aside and hide it. I'll post the interview if I find it but Janet talks about being on the last leg of her tour and being very depressed and lonely. She said she wrote many songs during that time period and that's how we got the Velvet Rope. Oh and Janet's relationship was falling apart in the janet. era as well. Yes, she was on top of the world but for some reason she felt guilty for all her success. I'll accept that it started in the later part of the Janet era & continued. True because it was during the recording process of The Velvet Rope... I tend to think the depression didn't really manifest itself until the Design of a Decade project. In certain interviews during that time (the Ed Gordon BET interview on the set of "Twenty Foreplay"; her acceptance speech at the 1995 Essence Awards, etc.), she seemed a little sad and aloof. [Edited 3/3/10 7:20am] "Get up off that grey line" | |
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Musicslave said: murph said: I mentioned that early only a few acts were even selling albums in the early '80s...I mentioned that Thriller changed all that (1982) opening the floodgates (I didn't think I had to name check Prince, Bruce and the like since common sense would tell you that A)their biggest album's, sales wise, both followed the explosion of Thriller and MTV and B) those projects were not looked at as R&B albums....)... I mentioned the segregation policies of the music business as it pertained to radio/MTV/R&B) was still happening after the success of Thriller and in the mid '80s..You just didn't want to read it (or understand it) for whatever reason...Then you started placing words in my mouth to shield the fact that you are making some puzzling comments... As for Jimmy's comments that they were not superstar producers pre-Control, this hardly means that they were struggling (or not successful...which was my whole point to begin with...They were successful before Janet...Janet was not...Just not at the levels you want them to be...)....You took what you wanted out of his statement (Them measuring themselves against Q does not mean they lacked success pre-Control...Common sense will tell you that since they were big enough for Janet to want to work with them in the first place)...What it really comes down to is you have no idea what you are talking about...And again, I understand why...You have to do some research on the matter and then you'll get an idea about some of the things I'm trying to convey...Once you do that then we can finish our back and forth...Because it's hard trying to have a serious discussion with someone who doesn't have context of what was going on back then... Be good and get back to me when you check out some of the things I've said... Peace... [Edited 3/3/10 1:23am] Wow Murph, I admire your PATIENCE. I couldn't do it man. I can appreciate anyone who tries to hip someone with musical history and facts. Murph is one of the best members here, in fact, he is a great encyclopedia about artists in general, and I agree with everything he said….A great homie. MICHAEL JACKSON
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SEANMAN said: whatsgoingon said: janet ain't as talented as MJ was by a mile. Her voice is weak and she was practically taught to dance by Paula Abdul. I've seen Janet dance before Paula Abdul got hold of her and I wasn't impressed!! Having said that I do believe some of her albums were better produced than MJ latter stuff. MJ fell down when he tried to be all things to all people, his sound waa all over the place on those latter albums. Janet never tried to do that, her music was more focus and her songs were actually better in some cases. The JANET album, imo has albums like BAD, DANGEROUS and HISTORY beat. Having said that I do believe without her producers and her family name she wouldn't achieve the success she reached. Apparently Jimmy Jam & Lewis only wanted to work with her initially because she was a Jackson! The bold area is where you have lost your way. Apparently you've never seen the TV show Fame. Fame was before she started to work with Paula Abdul, and it more than proved those skeptics wrong who said Paula is the one who "taught" her how to dance. | |
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InsatiableCream said: midiscover said: You don't make sense. Go stare at the sun, hun. There are age lines when she loses weight but when she gets plump like in these pics they "disappear" because her face gets chubby. Janet has aged gracefully throughout the years and has never got botox or any other surgery beside her nose which she got done at 16 years old. oh i love janet but lets be real. girl has definitely had more plastic surgery than that  | |
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whatsgoingon said: janet ain't as talented as MJ was by a mile. Her voice is weak and she was practically taught to dance by Paula Abdul. I've seen Janet dance before Paula Abdul got hold of her and I wasn't impressed!! Having said that I do believe some of her albums were better produced than MJ latter stuff. MJ fell down when he tried to be all things to all people, his sound waa all over the place on those latter albums. Janet never tried to do that, her music was more focus and her songs were actually better in some cases. The JANET album, imo has albums like BAD, DANGEROUS and HISTORY beat. Having said that I do believe without her producers and her family name she wouldn't achieve the success she reached. Apparently Jimmy Jam & Lewis only wanted to work with her initially because she was a Jackson! Yea, she is. Her voice isn't nor did Paula teach her how to dance. I'm sure Janet wouldn't care if you were impressed or not.Without her family Janet would be more successful. Janet has 7 other siblings who share her last name and aren't successful at all. So the last name argument is invalid. Without her producers she's fine. Jimmy and Terry wanted to work with her after she spoke to them through John McClain and Jesse Johnson. Get your facts straight! Janet worked with Jesse Johnson from the Time on Dream Street. IMO, MJ was all image and hype. Not better than Janet in any shape or form. | |
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midiscover said: murph said: I mentioned that early only a few acts were even selling albums in the early '80s...I mentioned that Thriller changed all that (1982) opening the floodgates (I didn't think I had to name check Prince, Bruce and the like since common sense would tell you that A)their biggest album's, sales wise, both followed the explosion of Thriller and MTV and B) those projects were not looked at as R&B albums....)... I mentioned the segregation policies of the music business as it pertained to radio/MTV/R&B) was still happening after the success of Thriller and in the mid '80s..You just didn't want to read it (or understand it) for whatever reason...Then you started placing words in my mouth to shield the fact that you are making some puzzling comments... As for Jimmy's comments that they were not superstar producers pre-Control, this hardly means that they were struggling (or not successful...which was my whole point to begin with...They were successful before Janet...Janet was not...Just not at the levels you want them to be...)....You took what you wanted out of his statement (Them measuring themselves against Q does not mean they lacked success pre-Control...Common sense will tell you that since they were big enough for Janet to want to work with them in the first place)...What it really comes down to is you have no idea what you are talking about...And again, I understand why...You have to do some research on the matter and then you'll get an idea about some of the things I'm trying to convey...Once you do that then we can finish our back and forth...Because it's hard trying to have a serious discussion with someone who doesn't have context of what was going on back then... Be good and get back to me when you check out some of the things I've said... Peace... [Edited 3/3/10 1:23am] No, hunny - listen All you're doing now is coming up with excuses as to why these acts J & L worked with flopped - hard. Janet's Control album went 6x platinum in the states back in '87. Now tell me why SOS band's didn't? Released the same year, same producers. Is it because they're black? R&B? 
How are you going to be so hypocritical and say "don't put words and my mouth ..." and yet you're doing this right now. When did I say struggle? I never did. You're interpreting that quote Jimmy made to the best of your ability and failing. If Jimmy & Terry were successful before Janet, like you're claiming why did Jimmy say opposite? As we all know Quincy was a huge success in the 80's. So... Whatchu gotta say!  Again...I'm dealing with someone who thinks going gold in the '80s meant flopping....I'm dealing with someone who's sole point was to make Jam & Lewis into some R&B scrubs who needed Janet, an act that until then couldn't even sell her record in the street...I'm dealing with someone who tried to make '80s R&B artists lower than their pop counterparts, not understanding the segregation that was going on on radio and MTV....I'm dealing with someone who thinks Janet was better than Michael Jackson (WTF???); I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand that after Jam & Lewis worked on Janet's last successful album (All For You--2001) they worked on the following near platinum, platinum and multi-platinum albums: Mary J. Blige--No More Drama (triple-platinum) Mary J. Blige--The Break Through (triple platinum) Mariah Carey--Charmbracelet (double platinum...and this was one of Carey's lackluster selling albums...) Mya--Fear of Flying (1.2 million copies) Heather Headley--This Is Who I Am (900, 000 plus copies) Usher--Confessions (10 million copies) Kelly Price--Priceless (Gold) Love, Angel, Music, Baby--Gwen Stafeni (4 million copies) So what type of success has Janet had since 2001? Let's look at the tape: Domita Jo, 20 Y.O.--two lackluster albums that failed to meet expectations for Janet....That's ironic, right?...Jam & Lewis have had more chart success than Janet since her last successful album.... BUT HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND I... I'M ABLE TO PUT JANET'S LACKLUSTER SALES IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT, SOMETHING U WERE UNABLE TO DO WHEN YOU MADE THE IGNORANT STATEMENT THAT GOING GOLD IN THE '80S FOR R&B ACTS WAS LOOKED AT AS FLOPPING.....I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE REASONS SHE STRUGGLED IS BECAUSE OF THE UNFORTUNATE TREATMENT SHE RECEIVED FOLLOWING THE SUPER BOWL INCIDENT..... I placed these words ^^^^ in caps, so you could understand what I'm getting at.... I'm not interpreting anything about what Jam said or about what you are saying.....I've been on this site a long time and I have to say that this has been some of the worst posting by a fan of a specific artist I've seen in a minute... Read some books....And stay out of trouble, homie... [Edited 3/3/10 9:16am] | |
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Musicslave said: murph said: I mentioned that early only a few acts were even selling albums in the early '80s...I mentioned that Thriller changed all that (1982) opening the floodgates (I didn't think I had to name check Prince, Bruce and the like since common sense would tell you that A)their biggest album's, sales wise, both followed the explosion of Thriller and MTV and B) those projects were not looked at as R&B albums....)... I mentioned the segregation policies of the music business as it pertained to radio/MTV/R&B) was still happening after the success of Thriller and in the mid '80s..You just didn't want to read it (or understand it) for whatever reason...Then you started placing words in my mouth to shield the fact that you are making some puzzling comments... As for Jimmy's comments that they were not superstar producers pre-Control, this hardly means that they were struggling (or not successful...which was my whole point to begin with...They were successful before Janet...Janet was not...Just not at the levels you want them to be...)....You took what you wanted out of his statement (Them measuring themselves against Q does not mean they lacked success pre-Control...Common sense will tell you that since they were big enough for Janet to want to work with them in the first place)...What it really comes down to is you have no idea what you are talking about...And again, I understand why...You have to do some research on the matter and then you'll get an idea about some of the things I'm trying to convey...Once you do that then we can finish our back and forth...Because it's hard trying to have a serious discussion with someone who doesn't have context of what was going on back then... Be good and get back to me when you check out some of the things I've said... Peace... [Edited 3/3/10 1:23am] Wow Murph, I admire your PATIENCE. I couldn't do it man. I can appreciate anyone who tries to hip someone with musical history and facts. Yeah...you have to be patient with younger people who are trapped by their own fandom....You have to realize that they are just fans and they mean no harm... | |
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murph said: midiscover said: No, hunny - listen All you're doing now is coming up with excuses as to why these acts J & L worked with flopped - hard. Janet's Control album went 6x platinum in the states back in '87. Now tell me why SOS band's didn't? Released the same year, same producers. Is it because they're black? R&B?
How are you going to be so hypocritical and say "don't put words and my mouth ..." and yet you're doing this right now. When did I say struggle? I never did. You're interpreting that quote Jimmy made to the best of your ability and failing. If Jimmy & Terry were successful before Janet, like you're claiming why did Jimmy say opposite? As we all know Quincy was a huge success in the 80's. So... Whatchu gotta say! Again...I'm dealing with someone who thinks going gold in the '80s meant flopping....I'm dealing with someone who's sole point was to make Jam & Lewis into some R&B scrubs who needed Janet, an act that until then couldn't even sell her record in the street...I'm dealing with someone who tried to make '80s R&B artists lower than their pop counterparts, not understanding the segregation that was going on on radio and MTV....I'm dealing with someone who thinks Janet was better than Michael Jackson (WTF???); I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand that after Jam & Lewis worked on Janet's last successful album (All For You--2001) they worked on the following near platinum, platinum and multi-platinum albums: Mary J. Blige--No More Drama (triple-platinum) Mary J. Blige--The Break Through (triple platinum) Mariah Carey--Charmbracelet (double platinum...and this was one of Carey's lackluster selling albums...) Mya--Fear of Flying (1.2 million copies) Heather Headley--This Is Who I Am (900, 000 plus copies) Usher--Confessions (10 million copies) Kelly Price--Priceless (Gold) Love, Angel, Music, Baby--Gwen Stafeni (4 million copies) So what type of success has Janet had since 2001? Let's look at the tape: Domita Jo, 20 Y.O.--two lackluster albums that failed to meet expectations for Janet....That's ironic, right?...Jam & Lewis have had more chart success than Janet since her last successful album.... BUT HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND I? I'M ABLE TO PUT JANET'S LACKLUSTER SALES IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT, SOMETHING U WERE UNABLE TO DO WHEN YOU MADE THE IGNORANT STATEMENT THAT GOING GOLD IN THE '80S FOR R&B ACTS WAS LOOKED AT AS FLOPPING.....I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE REASONS SHE STRUGGLED IS BECAUSE OF THE UNFORTUNATE TREATMENT SHE RECEIVED FOLLOWING THE SUPER BOWL INCIDENT..... I'm not interpreting anything about what Jam said or about what you are saying.....I've been on this site a long time and I have to say that this has been some of the worst posting by a fan of a specific artist I've seen in a minute... Read a book.... Oh, you mad? Well, D E A L. Control is an urban album and went 6x platinum in 1987. Can you explain the other urban albums they worked on before flopping? Yes, F L O P P E D. You really #FAILED when you said that Jimmy & Terry last album with Janet was All for You. Meh. Some fan... They worked on all of Janet's albums except for Discipline. Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. Read the credits. - JIMMY JAM & TERRY LEWIS produced albums. No, Jimmy & Terry aside from their work with Usher they didn't have success like they had with Janet. Like I said Ledisi? Ruben? You can change your font all you want and it still won't make a difference. No, you didn't put Janet' sales in proper context. All you did was find excuses as to why they didn't do well before Janet. and are saying Janet hasn't had success since working with Jimmy & Terry. NEWS flash they worked with Janet up till 2006. They still record with each other today. | |
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I have a question. How the fuck did this go from a "Janet Attends London Fashion Week" thread to a bitchfight between fans, non-fans and in-betweeners about Janet's plastic surgery or lack thereof, Janet's talent or lack thereof, and Janet's place in music history or lack thereof? [Edited 3/3/10 9:23am] "Get up off that grey line" | |
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SEANMAN said: I have a question. How the fuck did this go from a "Janet Attends London Fashion Week" thread to a bitchfight between fans, non-fans and in-betweeners about Janet's plastic surgery or lack thereof, Janet's talent or lack thereof, and Janet's place in music history or lack thereof?
[Edited 3/3/10 9:23am] because Janet threads always turn into bitchfights "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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midiscover said: murph said: Again...I'm dealing with someone who thinks going gold in the '80s meant flopping....I'm dealing with someone who's sole point was to make Jam & Lewis into some R&B scrubs who needed Janet, an act that until then couldn't even sell her record in the street...I'm dealing with someone who tried to make '80s R&B artists lower than their pop counterparts, not understanding the segregation that was going on on radio and MTV....I'm dealing with someone who thinks Janet was better than Michael Jackson (WTF???); I'm dealing with someone who doesn't understand that after Jam & Lewis worked on Janet's last successful album (All For You--2001) they worked on the following near platinum, platinum and multi-platinum albums: Mary J. Blige--No More Drama (triple-platinum) Mary J. Blige--The Break Through (triple platinum) Mariah Carey--Charmbracelet (double platinum...and this was one of Carey's lackluster selling albums...) Mya--Fear of Flying (1.2 million copies) Heather Headley--This Is Who I Am (900, 000 plus copies) Usher--Confessions (10 million copies) Kelly Price--Priceless (Gold) Love, Angel, Music, Baby--Gwen Stafeni (4 million copies) So what type of success has Janet had since 2001? Let's look at the tape: Domita Jo, 20 Y.O.--two lackluster albums that failed to meet expectations for Janet....That's ironic, right?...Jam & Lewis have had more chart success than Janet since her last successful album.... BUT HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND I? I'M ABLE TO PUT JANET'S LACKLUSTER SALES IN ITS PROPER CONTEXT, SOMETHING U WERE UNABLE TO DO WHEN YOU MADE THE IGNORANT STATEMENT THAT GOING GOLD IN THE '80S FOR R&B ACTS WAS LOOKED AT AS FLOPPING.....I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE REASONS SHE STRUGGLED IS BECAUSE OF THE UNFORTUNATE TREATMENT SHE RECEIVED FOLLOWING THE SUPER BOWL INCIDENT..... I'm not interpreting anything about what Jam said or about what you are saying.....I've been on this site a long time and I have to say that this has been some of the worst posting by a fan of a specific artist I've seen in a minute... Read a book.... Oh, you mad? Well, D E A L. Control is an urban album and went 6x platinum in 1987. Can you explain the other urban albums they worked on before flopping? Yes, F L O P P E D. You really #FAILED when you said that Jimmy & Terry last album with Janet was All for You. Meh. Some fan... They worked on all of Janet's albums except for Discipline. Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. Read the credits. - JIMMY JAM & TERRY LEWIS produced albums. No, Jimmy & Terry aside from their work with Usher they didn't have success like they had with Janet. Like I said Ledisi? Ruben? You can change your font all you want and it still won't make a difference. No, you didn't put Janet' sales in proper context. All you did was find excuses as to why they didn't do well before Janet. and are saying Janet hasn't had success since working with Jimmy & Terry. NEWS flash they worked with Janet up till 2006. They still record with each other today. Am I missing something here?...I'm dealing with a child who nitpicks to make a point, so let's dial the fandom back a bit... I said Janet's last "successful" album, of which Damita Jo and 20 Y.O was NOT...Then I gave you a list of albums that were released after All For You (again, her last successful album) to prove to you that while Janet was struggling with albums that were no longer headlined by Jam & Lewis, Jam & Lewis were finding success with other artists...How hard is that to understand?.... Like I said, when you r serious about having a real debate hit me up sometime...More fans should have your spirit...But along with that ride-or-die attitude you have to be humble enough to know when you need to to do some more research and reading on the history of things... Or else you'll just come off like a blind fan....And that's not a good look.... | |
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whatsgoingon said: midiscover said: I agree, with you to an extent. I still think Janet is far more talented. She can do just about everything. janet ain't as talented as MJ was by a mile. Her voice is weak and she was practically taught to dance by Paula Abdul. I've seen Janet dance before Paula Abdul got hold of her and I wasn't impressed!! Having said that I do believe some of her albums were better produced than MJ latter stuff. MJ fell down when he tried to be all things to all people, his sound waa all over the place on those latter albums. Janet never tried to do that, her music was more focus and her songs were actually better in some cases. The JANET album, imo has albums like BAD, DANGEROUS and HISTORY beat. Having said that I do believe without her producers and her family name she wouldn't achieve the success she reached. Apparently Jimmy Jam & Lewis only wanted to work with her initially because she was a Jackson! 
Janet IS more talented than MJ. Their voices are similar Paula didn't teach Janet how to dance. Yes, she was her choregrapher but that doesn't mean she taught her how to move. Paula claimed she did out of jealously since she was no longer getting the attention she wanted. Being a Jackson didn't help Janet if anything it hurt her more. Yes, it helped her get a contract (through Joe). But it didn't help her success. Jimmy & Terry wanted to work with Janet not because of her last name. If that were the case shouldn't they have worked with the other 8 Jacksons also? | |
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murph said: midiscover said: Oh, you mad? Well, D E A L. Control is an urban album and went 6x platinum in 1987. Can you explain the other urban albums they worked on before flopping? Yes, F L O P P E D. You really #FAILED when you said that Jimmy & Terry last album with Janet was All for You. Meh. Some fan... They worked on all of Janet's albums except for Discipline. Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. Read the credits. - JIMMY JAM & TERRY LEWIS produced albums. No, Jimmy & Terry aside from their work with Usher they didn't have success like they had with Janet. Like I said Ledisi? Ruben? You can change your font all you want and it still won't make a difference. No, you didn't put Janet' sales in proper context. All you did was find excuses as to why they didn't do well before Janet. and are saying Janet hasn't had success since working with Jimmy & Terry. NEWS flash they worked with Janet up till 2006. They still record with each other today. Am I missing something here?...I'm dealing with a child who nitpicks to make a point, so let's dial the fandom back a bit... I said Janet's last "successful" album, of which Damita Jo and 20 Y.O was NOT...Then I gave you a list of albums that were released after All For You (again, her last successful album) to prove to you that while Janet was struggling with albums that were no longer headlined by Jam & Lewis, Jam & Lewis were finding success with other artists...How hard is that to understand?.... Like I said, when you r serious about having a real debate hit me up sometime...More fans should have your spirit...But along with that ride-or-die attitude you have to be humble enough to know when you need to to do some more research and reading on the history of things... Or else you'll just come off like a blind fan....And that's not a good look.... Again, your shade is weak and doesn't mean shit. It only means that you're perturbed. Jam & Lewis were the main producers on Damita Jo and 20 Y.O.. Nice try! After All for You they worked with Janet and headlined her albums and I see that you're red herring. Why don't you answer the questions 
Control - 6x platinum (in 1987) What happened with SOS bands album!?! What about the other urban albums they worked on. Why is it that after they worked with Janet they started becoming successful? What success were they finding outside of Janet in 00's?? All for You outsold all of those albums you listed (excluding Usher's Confessions). | |
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Oh and FYI fandom has nothing to do with this (how tired!?) we're speaking of Jimmy & Terry's supposed success before Janet how they would be so fine without her (Girl, boom!) I always call Janet out on her shit so trust this has nothing to do with me being of a fan of hers. | |
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midiscover said: Oh and FYI fandom has nothing to do with this (how tired!?) we're speaking of Jimmy & Terry's supposed success before Janet how they would be so fine without her (Girl, boom!) I always call Janet out on her shit so trust this has nothing to do with me being of a fan of hers.
Actually, fandom has a lot to do with some of your puzzling remarks...And I'm not the only one who sees it... But the true problem here is not just your out of control fandom...It's the fact that you really have no context for some of the statements you are making...It started with you saying that going gold in the '80s was viewed as flopping...Then it veered off into success for R&B acts in the '80s being less than their pop counterparts without understanding what was going on (early '80s musical segregation)at the time... You tried to make it seem like Jam & Lewis were struggling (or non-successful producers) before hooking up with Janet (this was one of your more sillier posts), when Janet couldn't even sell 100, 000 of her albums.....Unfortunately it was too late until I figured out I was dealing with a hardcore Janet fan who couldn't be reasoned with.. Maybe I should have gotten the hint when I read one of your earlier posts to someone else on the board saying how Janet was better than Michael Jackson...But I thought you were just joking around.. I see now that you and your fandom are as serious as a heart attack... | |
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ITS TIME TO GIVE A DAMN! LETS WORK TOGETHER!
Can we ALL just be apart of the Rhythm Nation?! SHIT! | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: ITS TIME TO GIVE A DAMN! LETS WORK TOGETHER!
Can we ALL just be apart of the Rhythm Nation?! SHIT! Nah...Not when you got some fans acting like STANS.... | |
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murph said: midiscover said: Oh and FYI fandom has nothing to do with this (how tired!?) we're speaking of Jimmy & Terry's supposed success before Janet how they would be so fine without her (Girl, boom!) I always call Janet out on her shit so trust this has nothing to do with me being of a fan of hers.
Actually, fandom has a lot to do with some of your puzzling remarks...And I'm not the only one who sees it... But the true problem here is not just your out of control fandom...It's the fact that you really have no context for some of the statements you are making...It started with you saying that going gold in the '80s was viewed as flopping...Then it veered off into success for R&B acts in the '80s being less than their pop counterparts without understanding what was going on (early '80s musical segregation)at the time... You tried to make it seem like Jam & Lewis were struggling (or non-successful producers) before hooking up with Janet (this was one of your more sillier posts), when Janet couldn't even sell 100, 000 of her albums.....Unfortunately it was too late until I figured out I was dealing with a hardcore Janet fan who couldn't be reasoned with.. Maybe I should have gotten the hint when I read one of your earlier posts to someone else on the board saying how Janet was better than Michael Jackson...But I thought you were just joking around.. I see now that you and your fandom are as serious as a heart attack... Like I said "Again, your shade is weak and doesn't mean shit. It only means that you're perturbed." I never said they were struggling. Like you say - stop putting words into my mouth. Jimmy is the one that made it out to be that they weren't successful before Janet. Not me. Who is the happy, healthy one STILL releasing music? Deal. She is and will forever be the better one. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: ITS TIME TO GIVE A DAMN! LETS WORK TOGETHER!
Can we ALL just be apart of the Rhythm Nation?! SHIT! AGREED. This shiz is getting old and tired. "Get up off that grey line" | |
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*throws crumbled receipts on the table*
@ 6:35 - Terry says "We were just the new kids on the block" | |
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SEANMAN said: I have a question. How the fuck did this go from a "Janet Attends London Fashion Week" thread to a bitchfight between fans, non-fans and in-betweeners about Janet's plastic surgery or lack thereof, Janet's talent or lack thereof, and Janet's place in music history or lack thereof?
[Edited 3/3/10 9:23am] Crazy isn't it? So much chaos.
I wanna know how this thread remains on the first page after a week. It changed topics at least 5 different times. [Edited 3/3/10 11:09am] | |
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trueiopian said: whatsgoingon said: janet ain't as talented as MJ was by a mile. Her voice is weak and she was practically taught to dance by Paula Abdul. I've seen Janet dance before Paula Abdul got hold of her and I wasn't impressed!! Having said that I do believe some of her albums were better produced than MJ latter stuff. MJ fell down when he tried to be all things to all people, his sound waa all over the place on those latter albums. Janet never tried to do that, her music was more focus and her songs were actually better in some cases. The JANET album, imo has albums like BAD, DANGEROUS and HISTORY beat.
Having said that I do believe without her producers and her family name she wouldn't achieve the success she reached. Apparently Jimmy Jam & Lewis only wanted to work with her initially because she was a Jackson!
Janet IS more talented than MJ. Their voices are similar Paula didn't teach Janet how to dance. Yes, she was her choregrapher but that doesn't mean she taught her how to move. Paula claimed she did out of jealously since she was no longer getting the attention she wanted. Being a Jackson didn't help Janet if anything it hurt her more. Yes, it helped her get a contract (through Joe). But it didn't help her success. Jimmy & Terry wanted to work with Janet not because of her last name. If that were the case shouldn't they have worked with the other 8 Jacksons also? Janet is Nowhere near Michael Jackson’s voice, Not even similar, God, there is a huge difference, Huge difference, with my respect to Janet, she is a mediocre vocalist at best , Nothing more , Nothing less. Are you freaking serious about the statement that " Janet is More talented than MJ" .... Only fanatical obsessed fan would say this, No one with a rational mind would say this…Only the crazed fans. MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: Janet is Nowhere near Michael Jackson’s voice, Not even similar, God, there is a huge difference, Huge difference, with my respect to Janet, she is a mediocre vocalist at best , Nothing more , Nothing less. Are you freaking serious about the statement that " Janet is More talented than MJ" .... Only fanatical obsessed fan would say this, No one with a rational mind would say this…Only the crazed fans. Denial. Proof that their vocals were similar. That is Janet's vocals slowed down and there are various other songs where their voices are really similar. So anyone saying she's a weak or mediocre vocalist is just saying the same about MJ. Since both are very reminiscent. He wasn't a powerhouse vocalist or anything. Janet is more talented than MJ. She can do everything that he could + more. Such as yourself. I don't even know why you're in here  | |
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