So you're speaking for D'Angelo? Bullshit.

Sly's "Riot" era stuff is a mess but works. This is just a unengaging mess. Stop making excuses for this track being shit.

"Voodoo" was a great album (not much in the way of songs, but great grooves and production)...this track doesn't bode well for the next album, due in 2030.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No. Not since he was mumbling all over the Voodoo album as well.

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Mong said:

You wanna fucking fight about it?

Graycap23 said:[quote]

Mong said:

2055

sammij said:

Looks like I've offended D'Angelo's boyfriend.

Mong said:

His boyfriend has a vagina, interestingly enough!

Timmy84 said:

seriously!

the beat sounds pretty funky, but the vocals are all messed up. hope this isn't intentional

purplepolitician said:

knowing d and how he loves/d the bottle, it probably was

i can still hang with it tho - just like

Timmy84 said:

Mong said:

Agreed that the drums suck, you can hear the tails of the snare samples being cut right off in some parts. Its obviously an unmixed demo. Possibly unfinished lyrically too. Don't know if you've heard any MJ demos, but his were largely about hitting the GROOVE of the vocal too. Lyrical sensibility and intelligabity importance were a distant third to groove and melody.

I think most peeps that dig this see it as an excellent framework. It's definitely the substance of more classic D'Angelo material. And that's exciting.
Gotta have a bit of vision!

LMFAO. D'Angelo has been reading this thread.

Militant said:

well, it has been reposted all over the place, to mixed reception

sammij said:

Militant said:

75%!!!! Why not 93%, or even 97%????
You must be joking man, I would say 10% at the best, and that's being generous to P and hard on D... Whether you like it or not, Brown Sugar and Voodoo are two landmarks albums, albums that made history. Neither Gold Experience or any post 1980s Prince album falls into that category (as much as I love gold experience and the Rainbow Children for instance, which are great albums). This is not even a matter of personal taste: history is the judge here, and whether you like it or not with just 2 albums D'Angelo has made history far more than P over the past 2 decades

I don't recommend any of them anymore--(because of what they sing about), but musically P is better (to me) as a musician.


I like D'Angelo, and I'm glad that he is well again.. I hear improvements, and he is very, very good.

It's all opinion, but I can be objective now more than ever because I'm not listening to either one of them anymore--other than snippets.

Some women/"sistas" who like D cannot be objective...I'm sorry. "Untitled Video D" their "baby", and they are not rational. Their libidos are talking...

I knew some young sisters who were not liking "Brown Sugar", who were instant D'Angelo fans after the "Untitled" video...
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(It's like Chris Brown young girl fans on Twitter a few months ago..

He had 1 million of them on Twiiter, but they must be burning illegal copies of his CDs, and buying bootlegs. All of them were saying, "I got yo' CD Breezy!", but he was upset about the low sales of his recent Debut (which was really good by today's market standards).)
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Brothers like D because they grew-up with him in the background of their lives... He was like a modern hip-hop version of Prince who reminded them of themselves.

I do not care for what Prince sings about now, but I like the instrumental CDs like "N.E.W.S.".

The Industry is like Sports now... After 30, you are "D.o.n.e.". Plus, I don't think that the industry cared that he was angry with Warner Brothers (the supposed "Hand that Fed Him")..


YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King

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Linn4days said:

Look what is going to happen to Country Music after the youth movement takes over.. I read an article 10 years ago about how The Good Ol' Country Western Boys in Nashville felt about the industry turning too pop, and being dictated by Hollywood. Shania and Faith Hill were on Top, but they were women.

Fast-Forward to 2010: Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift dominate Country Music more than any Country male. This is what they feared, and it has come to fruition.


Their "industry" in Nashville for older males is fading fast..
Soon, most of their CD sales and concerts sales will dry-up.

Youth and female singers sell Sodas and sports drinks, cosmetics, and clothing to youngsters who want to be like them..

Hollywood is all about the $$$$$, and older people are wiser, and won't spend much on new products and entertainers. Possibly because - they've matured while watching their favorite entertainers become super-rich while promoting things that they no longer believe in, want, or need anymore.

DrD said:

Complete and utter bullshit. For a start, D'Angelo never even had ANY impact outside of the US. Prince scored a #1 in lots of different countries with "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World".

TGE shits all over D'Angelo's two dull ass albums.

This conversation is comical.

I'm a big D'angelo supporter but comparing him 2 Prince on any level is just.....well ur..... DUMB.

Militant said:

Sales? What is this shitty criterion? Hendrix was never far more famours than D'Angelo in his time, and he sold far less than a whole bunch of people we have all forgotten about.

Of course the reactions here are pretty much expected, this is a Prince fan website after all...Still check out any list of alltime best albums from any decent magazine or website (especially those specialised in black music) and you will typically find Brown Sugar and voodoo in the list but no Prince album post-1988... That is just a fact, and the rest of the world just does not care whether Prince fans like yourself or myself disagree (and by the way TRC is indeed a fantastic Prince album, perhaps the only one post-1988 that might deserve to make such lists)

As for comparisons between Prince and D'Angelo: I like Prince better if only for musicianship (although D'Angelo is very strong on the keys), but comparisons are just stupid. Please don't put yourselves in the position of those old James Brown fans back in the day, who claimed just like you today that prince was just a watered-down version of JB and ripped it all....

Cool sounding song. Sometimes I wish Prince & D'Angelo could split the difference of their two extreme music making schedules. They could learn a thing or two from each other.

DrD said:

If Musicianship and creativity are not the key...

What else is the key...Lyrics? Character? Persona?


Vocally,...Prince is a better falsetto. Both of them seemed to avoid falsetto's live because it hurts their throats..
(because they are both men with deep voices).

I don't care about what either of them were saying in their lyrics in any era now-because it does not reflect Torah 100%..

NDRU said:

Possibly... Prince seemed to take more breaks in the last few years, but the market is drying-up, and he's not signed to a major who bank-rolled constant recording and releases.


They are both over 30, and expect respect from these new Radio On-Air programmers due to their legacies... I doubt they get it.


It's about Corporate partners. Their target audience is youth $$$$$.. Crafting this playworld for them..

The same thing with hiphop now.. Older acts are fading, no matter how "good" they were.

Young acts are cheaper, and are on thier first contracts..

Since "Voodoo", there have been several brothers who appeared to look, and act like D"Angelo (just like he kind of reminded folks of Prince and some rappers).

You can even add some of what Robin Thicke has done, but the execs have him making Hiphop singles now..

Without someone of prominence "re-annointing" D or Prince, and dictating the market towards this type of sound....
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Linn4days said:

I'm not so concerned about them getting airplay. Each of them has a following who will buy their stuff when it comes out. And you're right, they're both too old to be concerned with being competitive with the younger generation.

It's more about D'Angelo who seems to be a perfectionist and not release stuff until he is satisfied, even if it takes 10 years (like Axl Rose did with his last album) whereas Prince seems to be satisfied just a bit to easily.

I think D could easily put music out more quicky, and P could stand to refine a song a little more before committing it to tape.

Music is speeding up again for the clubs.. Pop (white+mix) and "Black clubs" now..

If Prince's peak of importance was "87-91", then Club MTV was huge then..

My brother was a fan then...


Everything wasn't house and techno then.. House was just rising..


The norm was polished black funk and pop, remixes, Cuban-Latin Miami sound, and Brit-pop..and dance-able hiphop (Salt-N-Pepa).

Gaga is the beginning of what Madonna seemed to capitalized on (still she's a bit too techno).

Rhianna was for a bit..

Hiphop is even merging elements of Techno bass, and other more dance-able elements inot their tracks.. (Similar to what Timbaland and Timberlake were doing in 2005-2006 Dnace-able Prince-like and MJ-like stuff blended with electronic Timba-Hop sound."

Pop + Dance now is returning to $$$$$--with a touch of what these teens parents were listening to when they were born..

Songs of reflection, and slow deep rock and funk grooves, won't make it in the new market unless the people who control the market tell their "well-paid TV puppets" say, "Hey kids! This is the hot new trend/phase!"

BlaqueKnight said:

Lol.....u say that like it was a part of Prince's plan.
I assure u, it was NOT.

I hear ya..., but I don't think that's the case.

I think his stuff is not being received by whatever "suit(s)" he has to submit his demos to.

I'm not an expert.. It's just my opinion


When Voodoo was out..Everyone from D fans and ?uest were like, "What Prince selling (NewPowersoul and Rave)?". It was funny because "Voodoo" was heavy laden with Prince-like influences, and The "Untitled" video was released around the time of "Rave".

If the org has an archive, and some usernames have not changed over the years.. You will find those discussions..

It did not make since because the man obviously idolized Prince, and I've never heard him say anything negative about his current music at the time.

10 years later, they are Prince's age...then...Now, the market and the marketers is worse for them than it was for Prince then (who was basically trying to sell CDs online (then). Their on new labels..

Even though The WB did not give Prince his masters, they held-on to him tight..(When they they still had Madonna selling very well for them).

NDRU said: