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Reply #30 posted 01/31/10 6:15pm

Harlepolis

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Harlepolis said:



Prince didn't acknowledge the black media/press untill he wrote "Slave" on his cheek.



POW! boxed I didn't get to finish my thought...

No, he didn't than when thangs got "funky" here he is comes..... yeah alright. neutral
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Black press/media embraced him though, with no questions asked. I never understood that.
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Reply #31 posted 01/31/10 6:27pm

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Black press usually embrace anyone black-except Tiger Woods. So P was on Soul Train, doing I wanna be your lover?
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Reply #32 posted 01/31/10 7:01pm

Harlepolis

I could see it now, Tiger Woods doing an essence magazine cover spread, and the subject is a confession about his sexual addiction and his attempt to cure it.
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Reply #33 posted 01/31/10 8:07pm

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I'm not sure about that comment about Prince not embracing Black media, he really didn't have a choice but to work with Black press. It was really the opposite, the white media didn't embrace him or any Black artist back in the day unless they did disco or pop.

I remember Right On! and Soul Teen was really heavy on Prince calling him a musical prodigy, he was referred as "The Next Stevie Wonder".

I also don't remember EWF being on Soul Train either, or am I wrong?
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Reply #34 posted 01/31/10 8:19pm

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Harlepolis said:

TD3 said:




POW! boxed I didn't get to finish my thought...

No, he didn't than when thangs got "funky" here he is comes..... yeah alright. neutral
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Black press/media embraced him though, with no questions asked. I never understood that.



at the beginning of his career he was in the black and white media, doing intervews, whatever. when he was hot, he wasn't really doing any media. when he needed exposure again, he was back to working with the media again. black and white.
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Reply #35 posted 01/31/10 8:20pm

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WTF is soul teen? Any pics of that mag?
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Reply #36 posted 01/31/10 8:32pm

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WTF is soul teen? Any pics of that mag?


Soul Teen later became Black Beat.
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Reply #37 posted 01/31/10 8:46pm

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errant said:

Harlepolis said:



Black press/media embraced him though, with no questions asked. I never understood that.



at the beginning of his career he was in the black and white media, doing intervews, whatever. when he was hot, he wasn't really doing any media. when he needed exposure again, he was back to working with the media again. black and white.


He did 2 of the biggest from each outlet; MTV & RollingStones.

I don't remember him giving ANY interviews to Ebony or BET shrug
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Reply #38 posted 01/31/10 9:17pm

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Black press usually embrace anyone black-except Tiger Woods. So P was on Soul Train, doing I wanna be your lover?
No matter what, I love P unconditionally. Always have, always will.


He did "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" with Mayte. He lipped too lol
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Reply #39 posted 01/31/10 9:17pm

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I'm not sure about that comment about Prince not embracing Black media, he really didn't have a choice but to work with Black press. It was really the opposite, the white media didn't embrace him or any Black artist back in the day unless they did disco or pop.

I remember Right On! and Soul Teen was really heavy on Prince calling him a musical prodigy, he was referred as "The Next Stevie Wonder".

I also don't remember EWF being on Soul Train either, or am I wrong?


I think they were in later years, I have to look at the schedule lol
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Reply #40 posted 01/31/10 10:14pm

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WaterInYourBath said:


No, not then either. I should have posted: late 70s-80s, lol. However, when he was enslaved by the system in the mid-90s he was a guest on the show. But Don didn't host Soul Train anymore then, so I guess it was alright. lol


Actually he was on in 1980 when per he performed "IWTBYL" and "WYWTMSB" just a couple weeks after his first ever TV appearance on American Bandstand (Jan. 26, 1980)

I think author Per Nilsen referenced that date in one of his books about Prince, but I remember reading in a thread here (or at the old site Housequake), that he actually did not appear on the show that year. I've looked everywhere for that episode for a long time, but I've never found any footage of Prince on Soul Train except for his performances in 1994.
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Reply #41 posted 01/31/10 10:54pm

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Harlepolis said:

scriptgirl said:

He said this at the screening of the Soul Train documentary here in LA that my friend attended:
"A grown man in a jock strap? That shit ain't never going on Soul Train."
[Edited 1/30/10 20:04pm]


He's right though lol

A grown man in a jock strap who'll slobberr his knobs would've gone to Soul Train *cough!*O'Bryan*cough!* razz

There ya'll go talkin' about my cousin falloff lol
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Reply #42 posted 01/31/10 10:57pm

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Harlepolis said:

vainandy said:



Prince never performed on "Soul Train" until the mid 1990s after both the show and his own music had fallen off. I always found it very stupid that Prince made the rounds to every white show back in the day when he was a somebody but never went on "Soul Train" until he fell off.


Prince didn't acknowledge the black media/press untill he wrote "Slave" on his cheek.

guards Harlepolis from the rocks and shanks

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Reply #43 posted 01/31/10 11:05pm

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Harlepolis said:



Prince didn't acknowledge the black media/press untill he wrote "Slave" on his cheek.

guards Harlepolis from the rocks and shanks

lol


Harlepolis ain't no easy customer either johnwoo lol
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Reply #44 posted 01/31/10 11:18pm

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Harlepolis said:

bboy87 said:


guards Harlepolis from the rocks and shanks

lol


Harlepolis ain't no easy customer either johnwoo lol

Your statement above is the truth though. lol I've said that in threads here before too. People usually either agree, or don't respond, LOL.
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Reply #45 posted 01/31/10 11:21pm

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scriptgirl said:

He said this at the screening of the Soul Train documentary here in LA that my friend attended:
"A grown man in a jock strap? That shit ain't never going on Soul Train."
[Edited 1/30/10 20:04pm]


Then why AND how did The Isley Brothers (especially Ernie Isley's & Chris Jasper's outfits) & Cameo (especially Larry Blackmon's codpiece) got on Soul Train?!?
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Reply #46 posted 01/31/10 11:23pm

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Harlepolis said:

bboy87 said:


guards Harlepolis from the rocks and shanks

lol


Harlepolis ain't no easy customer either johnwoo lol


People should know BY NOW not to FUCK with you but somehow somebody always does. smh lol
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Reply #47 posted 01/31/10 11:24pm

Timmy84

TonyVanDam said:

scriptgirl said:

He said this at the screening of the Soul Train documentary here in LA that my friend attended:
"A grown man in a jock strap? That shit ain't never going on Soul Train."
[Edited 1/30/10 20:04pm]


Then why AND how did The Isley Brothers (especially Ernie Isley's & Chris Jasper's outfits) & Cameo (especially Larry Blackmon's codpiece) got on Soul Train?!?


Don didn't like Prince or P-Funk that well it seems. lol
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Reply #48 posted 01/31/10 11:31pm

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Prince never performed on "Soul Train" until the mid 1990s after both the show and his own music had fallen off. I always found it very stupid that Prince made the rounds to every white show back in the day when he was a somebody but never went on "Soul Train" until he fell off.


The Time, Vanity 6, & Shelia E made it on Soul Train. If you believe in symbolism, they represented Prince's black side without him being on the show at all.

Just saying.
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Reply #49 posted 02/01/10 12:32am

SoulAlive

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Prince never performed on "Soul Train" until the mid 1990s after both the show and his own music had fallen off. I always found it very stupid that Prince made the rounds to every white show back in the day when he was a somebody but never went on "Soul Train" until he fell off.


I think it's a shame that he waited so long.By the time he finally made an appearance on Soul Train,the show was on its last legs.Imagine if he had performed in 1981,when 'Controversy' was released.That would have him amazing!

And you're correct,he was on other shows like Midnight Special,Solid Gold and American Bandstand.I can't see why he neglected Soul Train disbelief
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Reply #50 posted 02/01/10 2:47am

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SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

Prince never performed on "Soul Train" until the mid 1990s after both the show and his own music had fallen off. I always found it very stupid that Prince made the rounds to every white show back in the day when he was a somebody but never went on "Soul Train" until he fell off.


I think it's a shame that he waited so long.By the time he finally made an appearance on Soul Train,the show was on its last legs.Imagine if he had performed in 1981,when 'Controversy' was released.That would have him amazing!

And you're correct,he was on other shows like Midnight Special,Solid Gold and American Bandstand.I can't see why he neglected Soul Train disbelief


If that Don quote is true, then maybe it was the other way around.

Prince never passed up the promotion back then, performing wise, so I wouldn't think he neglected it nod but maybe he did when he started to get mainstreat.
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Reply #51 posted 02/01/10 3:16am

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I think it's a shame that he waited so long.By the time he finally made an appearance on Soul Train,the show was on its last legs.Imagine if he had performed in 1981,when 'Controversy' was released.That would have him amazing!

And you're correct,he was on other shows like Midnight Special,Solid Gold and American Bandstand.I can't see why he neglected Soul Train disbelief


If that Don quote is true, then maybe it was the other way around.

Prince never passed up the promotion back then, performing wise, so I wouldn't think he neglected it nod but maybe he did when he started to get mainstream.



hmmm yeah,you're probably right.But I remember when Sheila E. appeared on Soul Train in 1985 and during the interview,Don mentioned something about Prince making an appearance.I think Sheila implied that he was "too shy" to do interviews and Don was like "Uh-uh...tell him that if he appears on this show,he's GOTTA do an interview" lol
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Reply #52 posted 02/01/10 3:27am

SoulAlive

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I also don't remember EWF being on Soul Train either, or am I wrong?


Surprisingly,they never did but on September 16,1978,Soul Train did a special show devoted to EW&F that showed footage of them in concert.
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Reply #53 posted 02/01/10 3:41am

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Harlepolis said:

Prince didn't acknowledge the black media/press untill he wrote "Slave" on his cheek.


I remember Steve Ivory (the former editor of Black Beat magazine) complaining about this.I'll never forget something that he once wrote:

They (Prince and his organization) have this crazy idea that the black press doesn't "get" Prince.Fact is,maybe we "get it" too much.For example,no black journalist worth his word processor is buying that BS about Prince being racially mixed.We know that blacks come in all shades.


eek I was shocked at his brutal honesty,lol.

Ironically,he made these comments in a Prince cover story,when Prince invited him to Paisley Park during the D&P era.He was skeptical about going,because of Prince's earlier reluctance to do interviews in black publications.
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Reply #54 posted 02/01/10 6:27am

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So what did Steve write about P when he visited Paisley Park. Is Steve still alive?
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Reply #55 posted 02/01/10 6:36am

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So what did Steve write about P when he visited Paisley Park. Is Steve still alive?


Things got off to a rocky start lol Prince was aware of some of the stuff that Steve had written about him and he had an attitude.Steve admitted to Prince that,one of his major criticisms is that Prince has strayed too far from the '1999' album.Prince was pissed.He told Steve....

If you wanna hear '1999',then listen to the '1999' album.That album amounts to me being in the third grade,musically.That's why I stay here in Minneapolis and block out all you critics

OUCH!

There were a few more embarassing moments like this,but at the end of the interview,Steve said that he finally understands Prince,and actually likes him.
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Reply #56 posted 02/01/10 6:48am

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Is that interview online anywhere?
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Reply #57 posted 02/01/10 6:48am

Harlepolis

SoulAlive said:

Harlepolis said:

Prince didn't acknowledge the black media/press untill he wrote "Slave" on his cheek.


I remember Steve Ivory (the former editor of Black Beat magazine) complaining about this.I'll never forget something that he once wrote:

They (Prince and his organization) have this crazy idea that the black press doesn't "get" Prince.Fact is,maybe we "get it" too much.For example,no black journalist worth his word processor is buying that BS about Prince being racially mixed.We know that blacks come in all shades.


eek I was shocked at his brutal honesty,lol.

Ironically,he made these comments in a Prince cover story,when Prince invited him to Paisley Park during the D&P era.He was skeptical about going,because of Prince's earlier reluctance to do interviews in black publications.


Wow! eek

Was that you BlaqueKnight? lol

I agree with that statement, wholeheartedly. One thing I noticed about the DMSR book was that it touched on how black audience supposedly viewed Prince BUT at the same time, how Prince(and members of his band) looked down on R&B lol R&B was the root of your craft, how do you downplay it?

This whole "Black people don't get Prince" argument was condescending & insulting. Its just another fancy way to say that black audience are idiotic and strongly one dimensional/limited when it comes to their taste.

But turned out, those are the same audience who embraced him when his episode with Warner Bros didn't turn out well. Even though I agree with the argument about "record labels being high collar plantations", I've always thought that he was doing this charade for the wrong reasons, I bet he wasn't "racially mixed" when he started to write Slave on his cheek seeing that it wouldn't have served his convenience.

BTW, do you know where I could read the interview online? hmmm
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Reply #58 posted 02/01/10 6:56am

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TonyVanDam said:

scriptgirl said:

He said this at the screening of the Soul Train documentary here in LA that my friend attended:
"A grown man in a jock strap? That shit ain't never going on Soul Train."
[Edited 1/30/10 20:04pm]


Then why AND how did The Isley Brothers (especially Ernie Isley's & Chris Jasper's outfits) & Cameo (especially Larry Blackmon's codpiece) got on Soul Train?!?

The difference is they weren't naked.
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Reply #59 posted 02/01/10 7:03am

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Actually he was on in 1980 when per he performed "IWTBYL" and "WYWTMSB" just a couple weeks after his first ever TV appearance on American Bandstand (Jan. 26, 1980)

I think author Per Nilsen referenced that date in one of his books about Prince, but I remember reading in a thread here (or at the old site Housequake), that he actually did not appear on the show that year. I've looked everywhere for that episode for a long time, but I've never found any footage of Prince on Soul Train except for his performances in 1994.


No, I'm telling U he actually appeared. As a little boy (I was nine at the time - great now I'm showing my age), me, my second oldest brother (a diehard P fan who actually got me in2 his music) and my oldest brother (who liked P but was more in2 Cameo, Gap Band, and Zapp at the time) watched that episode. This was the one where P and Andre Cymone faced each other jumped and bumped heads in sort of a "hip" fashion during their performance of "WYWTMSB." At least it appeared that way 2 my second oldest brother and me. But 2 my oldest bro and several others it looked like they "kissed" 1 another. It was funny because EVERYONE was talking about that at school days later! lol I'm shocked that all the old skoolers don't remember that.
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