its made for people who have a more in-depth understanding of musicv.

BlaqueKnight said:

ahh that explains it then. Once I brush up on my "understanding" of music, I will learn to appreciate Steve Vai's 9 minute marathons of random guitar noodling.

After I wake up, that is.

NoVideo said:

I'm saying that I bet if you ask a great number of industry musicians, including some of the musicians in the bands you like who some of their favorite guitarists and bassists are, Steve Vai and Billy Sheehan's names will come up

BlaqueKnight said:

Why is that? You said that many artists that I like would point to Steve Vai as one of the greatest guitarists. Rolling Stone compiles these lists by getting submissions from artists, musicians, industry insiders, etc. They don't generate them out of thin air, or have some editor give his personal opinion. Their lists represent a general consensus among critics and artists.

NoVideo said:

Respected in the sense that they are musicians' musicians. I bet a lot of your favorites are fans of Steve and Billy as musicians. The kind of music they make isn't made for the mainstream; its made for people who have a more in-depth understanding of musicv. It usually, in turn, inspires some of the same charting musicians to make the music they make. You may find the music "soulless" but I bet a lot of the people you listen to listen to them for inspiration.

i like a few nirvana songs (this one included), but can't stand some others and to me they weren't "all that". could've been, maybe . i listened to hole's live through this more than i ever did any of there's

scriptgirl said:

That was a statement put out by the Loverboy lead singer.




I think what he was generally pointing out was how difficult it was for established acts to get their videos played on MTV after Nirvana's nevermind was released. Within less than 2 years, well established commercial successes like Poisen, Skid Row, Slaughet ( ) , Def Leppard, and the list goes on and on.... couldn't get their videos played on MTV to save their lives. The final nail in the coffin came in the form of two things:

1) Poison's dreadful last performance on MTV's music award.
2) MTV's long established metal show (I forget the name of that stupid show) playing Seattle bands in their lineup.


There was also a shift at that time from 'glam' hip hop over to more gritty stuff. The symbolic moment there was MC Hammer's filing for bankruptcy.

Of course neither movement was permenant, and the music industry has an interesting way of copying to more substantial stuff with copy cat acts or silly throwaway crap (see much of the hip hop on radio today--or the seattle copy cat acts like Creed, Seven Mary 3, etc.) that no movement in music ever last very long in one incarnation.


But for a short period of time in the 80's I got to see bands I absolutely loathed fall right off the charts into commercial oblivion.


Sabastian Bach of Skid Row once called the 'alternative music movement', and these are his words, "Revenge of the nerds."

For me, bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails, gave music the shot in the arm that it needed. Just like the shot that Lady GaGa, is giving pop music now. No matter how you slice it, bands like Nirvana and PJam have a very strong influence on that music scene.

For me, bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails, gave music the shot in the arm that it needed. Just like the shot that Lady GaGa, is giving pop music now. No matter how you slice it, bands like Nirvana and PJam have a very strong influence on that music scene.

shorttrini said:

As great as it was and they were, as you can see, it didn't last long when you think of popular value. I think grunge music wouldn't have been popular had people not grown tired of the scene at the time.

I first heard this song on my AM radio in my 1966 Mercury S55. The car was all original so I did not have FM. I was stuck on classic rock at the time and this was a treat for the ears. The intensity and passion of Kurt's voice sounded amazing even on the AM system.
I had missed seeing them at The Warfield on their Bleach tour, the scalper wanted $80 for 2 tickets. I had my $40 but my friend only had $30 and the dude would not cut us a deal. I got my chance to see them New Years Eve 1991. Nevermind had just been released 3 months bfore on Sep.24,1991. I may have told this story before, but it is worth repeating.
I will never forget when the band went into the opening riff of"Smells Like Teen Spirit." I was about half way back on the floor and the place just erupted. It was like I was in the first 3 rows and I could barely keep my footing. My buddy lost his shoe. I have attended many,many shows and I have never seen such a crazy response to such a such a new song being played live. It was definately one of those unforgettable concert moments. Oh yeah, the opener that night was a band I had not heard of at the time called Pearl Jam. the Red Hot Chili Peppers headlined. The whole show was amazing.
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i like a few nirvana songs (this one included), but can't stand some others and to me they weren't "all that". could've been, maybe . i listened to hole's live through this more than i ever did any of there's

i like a few nirvana songs (this one included), but can't stand some others and to me they weren't "all that". could've been, maybe . i listened to hole's live through this more than i ever did any of there's

rmartin70 said:

Timmy84 said:

I think it influenced alot of bands that came after, though - and those bands are still very popular in many cases.

For me, bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Nine Inch Nails, gave music the shot in the arm that it needed. Just like the shot that Lady GaGa, is giving pop music now. No matter how you slice it, bands like Nirvana and PJam have a very strong influence on that music scene.

TheVoid said:

I understand and sympathize with the fond memories, but David Lee Roth had Steve Vai and Billy Sheehan - both monsterously talented musicians of whom garner more respect than pretty much anyone from the grunge community. Its true that by the late 80s, rock bands had become somewhat of a parody of themselves and it was time to hang up the tights but the music itself was about fun and proficiency. If you couldn't play, you were left behind, which is why I found the "revenge of the nerds" comment amusing. A lot of the 90s music was about making the less proficient more popular, thus lowering the bar. It is why we are where we are today in music and its part of why the bottom is falling/has fallen out of the music industry. And to be real, if more proficient musicians didn't try to mask their abilities and play to the mainstream of the moment, they wouldn't have had work. Just ask Alice In Chains about that.
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BlaqueKnight said:

I'm not a big fan of Nirvana, and I am very sceptical of the whole "Grunge saved Rock music" argument, but let's not forget of course that in Dave Grohl and Krist NovelHoweverthefuckyouspell it, Nirvana had two excellent musicians.

And whilst Kurt wasn't going to give the likes of Steve Vai sleepless nights, he was a pretty damn good rhythm guitarist (see Teen Spirit for evidence of that) ..something which he'd even probably be loathed to admit himself.

Nirvana = one of my favorite bands of all time.

In Utero is better than Nevermind though. Nevermind is more commercially accessible but I think the songs on In Utero have more depth and are more artistically consistent with Kurt's vision.

Favorite song is probably Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle.....I mean...that shit is just pure genius. Kurt just had so much emotional depth with his music, that's why it resonates with so many people.

He may not have been able to shred like Eddie Van Halen but when I see people argue that as to why they don't like Nirvana, I just feel like they missed the point completely.