Did she say this befo'? She ain't goin' no where.






gif: thank you harle....right click.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Damn, we need to enroll Obama in the Sylvan Learning Center

And Beyonce has success worldwide as well, so you are saying what? You don't like her, fine. Just as Beyonce has Mathew behind her, Janet had Joe pulling her strings as Whitney had Clive Davis, so your point is????? Just as other artist has their peaks in their careers, Beyonce has as well and there will be a time when the world is fixated on the next. Until then, "To the left, to the left".

totaldiva said:

When Janet got big, Joe was out of the picture

bboy87 said:

When Janet got big (Control 1986) Joe was STILL in the picture.

totaldiva said:

Joe was long gone before Control came out boops! Janet was pulling her own strings. Clive Davis is Whitney's executive producer not her manager. He just runs her musical career.

midiscover said:

I am reading the inner notes of the Control album as I type, and oops, Janet was under Joes management. Janet did not renew his contract when it ended, but was still Janets contracted management during the recording of Control. When Janet traveled to Minnesota to record with Jam and Lewis, manager Joseph demanded that his daughter did not sound like Prince.
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^ Janet fired Joe after the Control album was released. The reason why she thanks his management on the inner notes is because he was still managing her. She didn't fire him till after the recording.

totaldiva said:

KI! John McClain was her manager in the Control era. I thought Joe left before the "Control" single dropped which was late '86? So she was being managed by both of them? :confused:

trueiopian said:

Thank you for making my point. Janet's breakthrough was the Control album in which Papa Joe was still managing her. Fact is, Beyonce isn't the only artist with a manager pulling strings and doing what they can to make the artist a success. Last time I checked, that is what they are paid for.

midiscover said:

You all are killin me Joe brought in John McCain to co manage his daughter because her first two albums failed and wanted help during the recording of Control. After the release and success of Control, Joe's contract was up and Janet chose not to renew (he was not fired). John McCain was kept until her future ex husband came into the picture.
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LOL! Actually, I'm not agreeing with you. Joe was out of the picture after the album dropped. He didn't manage her in the era. The reason why she called it Control was because he wasn't overlooking the creative aspect of her career but he was still there till she fired him. Also Rene was never her manager. He was just a creative partner. He helped her make decisions on music, image and etc. But she always had the last say.
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I love Beyoncé, but there's just been too much of her. I really hope she means it.

Just imagine a whole year without B in the media

totaldiva said:

I thought John McClain was the executive of A&M and was brought in to overlook the Control album because Joe didn't know what the hell he was doing and he then eventually became manager after the album dropped. I know she fired Joe when she was 20.

But anyways back to Beyonce
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Man, I'm totally surprised. I thought an announcement like this would cause the org to crash because of all the halleluia-replies.

totaldiva said:

And that is her father, what's wrong with him wanting the best for his children.

KidaDynamite said:

Matthew or Joe?

trueiopian said:

Maybe, Joe forced her to release under his flop management He's rude! I bet Janet still takes what he said to her before even started a music career to heart still.

trueiopian said:

I couldnt care less if you agreed with me or not. As long as Joseph Jackson was contracted as her manager, HE WAS HER MANAGER, unless she bought him out of his contract during Control (which did not happen).Hate Joe or not, he was a businessman before he was a father, and everything he did was contracted in writing including the Jacksons. Fact is, the Control album list Joseph Jackson as management. Joe was gone AFTER Control. I am not going to argue with you while I am reading the liner notes of the album. Now while you continue to wreck your brain trying to rewrite facts that are clearly listed on her album, I am going to watch American Idol. I need a good laugh and I am quite bored with this topic. BTW I am A Janet FAN.

bboy87 said:

Matthew!

Where's all the excitement?????

totaldiva said:

Joe was listed as managment on the back of the Thriller album although Michael had fired him already. Freddie Demann (Joe's partner at the time) was handling affairs and Michael didn't really have a manager from 1981 to 1984

bboy87 said:

Even I can't answer this one.

KidaDynamite said:

yeah he does want the best for them.....except Solange.

You can tell by the name they gave her, they didn't think too much of her

bboy87 said:

I am not about to dig up all my Jackson cd's to check where Joe is listed. No matter how you try to twist and turn the facts, Joseph Jackson was contractually Janet Jackson's manager during the recording of Control. What do you need next? Public court records? This was fun. I am playing 'When I think of You"(on vinyl) as I say farewell to this topic.
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totaldiva said:

Just because his management was listed on the Control album doesn't mean he was managing her! Joe's management was listed on MJ's OTW and Thriller album and MJ fired him before he released OTW. What the hell do you think "Control" is about?

midiscover said:

He probably did. What did he say?

totaldiva said:

Joe wasn't Janet's manager. Control = I'm not managed by Joe anymore. He managed her first 2 albums. Reason why it flopped.

trueiopian said:

I actually bought the album when it came out, I know what the album is about (which reportedly upset her parents). Obviously there is no love lost between the Jackson clan and Joseph. None of us know the Jackson clan personally and we don't know why many things were done. All I can go by is what is listed by the artist herself in the credits. Obviously Joe wasn't involved with the recording of Control (this was the point of her leaving home to record the album), but he was still at the time CONTRACTUALLY her manager. Do I need to bring a lawyer onto the org to explain what a contract is? And as far as Beyonce (which the topic is ACTUALLY about), I am sure that Mathew has her so locked up in legal paperwork that she couldnt piss without his permission or him getting paid.
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