Militant said:

do you have any evidence to back this up?

Militant said:

Butchers don't sell books - they sell meat. A better hypothesis would be to have your book promoting veganism printed on bacon.

Militant said:

That wouldn't be a better hypothesis. RATM are not anti-CD's.

And why are you laughing? You're laughing at someone who learned about a cause from a band that fights for that cause? What next, shall we laugh at Public Enemy if someone learned about say, the Black Panthers or Malcolm X from listening to their records? Grow the fuck up.

Militant said:

Make sure you don't get stuck into the mosh pit - I saw them headline at Leeds last year and thought I was going to die.

RATM - is not my kind of music but I was really happy to see them beat an x-factor winner - why should he be disappointed anyway? He's been in the music industry for two minutes - people like Joni and Leonard Cohen have never even had a top ten single in UK - Let alone a top 2 single.
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unique said:

i guess that's a no then

i tried googling to find the "confirmation" you refer to and couldn't find a thing

muirdo said:

It was Sting. Formerly of The Police for our younger readers. Ooh, Andy Summers should go in the Top 20 Guitarists list too for influence and unique sound.

I thought the whole point of this exercise was top stop X factor getting to number 1. It had nothing to with Rage themselves and was started by a couple on Facebook, so why all this anti Rage stuff? it's just a bit of laugh and to see Cowell squirm.

unique said:

bigd74 said:

Exactly. People are making too big a deal out of it. There's no reason to attack Rage over this since they didn't start it, and no reason to attack anyone that supported the campaign if they prefer real music and real musicians to manufactured crap.

iloveannie said:

my bad....thanks for correcting me.

seriously, though, who really gives a fuck what's #1 at Christmas? (or any other day of the year for that matter)?

if you care about the British charts, why not start a movement to abolish the byzantine system by which they calculated and the 18,000,000 and 1 rules that keep things from entering the charts or re-entering year after year?

Militant said:

They purport to be anti-capitalist - and the record company whom markets, distributes and sells their recordings is a major capitalist corporation.

So yes, your pro-veganism book should be printed on bacon, if you really want to sell to meat-eating readers - and Rage Against The Machine's recordings should be free.

Militant said:

No, I think I'll carry on laughing.

"Fuck you! I won't do what you tell me!"

You manage to miss the point completely.

We live in a capitalist society, therefore RATM must use a capitalist platform in order for their message to reach the most amount of people. They are infiltrating the enemy in order to understand how it works to do the maximum amount of damage, hell they even have a song called "Know Your Enemy" on the first album.

Your argument is still ridiculous. Books aren't printed on bacon. Music is mass marketed on CD's. See the difference? Probably not since you are so stubborn.

Continue to laugh while the rest of us educate ourselves from as many sources as possible.

I am sure your idols Wendy & Lisa would certainly support RATM over the X Factor(y) in this campaign - as proficient musicians and songwriters themselves, they would never condone the manufactured crap that Cowell spoons out to the ignorant masses.

Any way, the point has been proven and the people, and RATM won. So perhaps you should go and cry over your Joe McLoser download while you sing along to that shit Miley Cyrus song.

bigd74 said:

It is funny. I wished they had done that with Susan tho.

Militant said:

Yeah... They'd never partake in the creation of manufactured pop.

Militant said:

I never said I liked the Miley Cyrus dirge. Joe's single is equally as shit as the Rage Against The Machine song.

My only issue is with the hypocritical glee that RATM displayed in "socking it to the man."

It isn't the same thing at all.

Prince's protege projects were a way of him getting more music out there with different styles of music. He wrote the songs and played almost everything on them, but they were released by WB the same way his albums were.

He didn't form a band of executives to create a TV show at primetime, twice a week, charge people to vote off people one by one, give people the illusion that they are voting for the winner despite the fact that the winner has already been decided halfway through the show, conveniently timing the end of the show around a public holiday for maximum sales exposure, and whoever happens to win the show records a random song written by some team of songwriters somewhere that has been chosen for maximum cheese factor to appeal to people who nothing about music.

Militant said:

But again it must be admitted that to reach the masses you need the machine? So as you are putting it down, its also benefiting your career, because lets face it this is the most attention a Rage song will ever get. So in reality i dont really see this as "grabbing" people and pulling them over to "real music" thats what the bigger issue is to me, this is more like back in 2001 when Mariah Carey left SONY and now was at war with Sony over the single "loverboy", the battle was with "bootylicious" by DC, there was a bidding war, first selling the single for 1.99, then 1.49, then .99 cents then .50, it was more or less nothing more than a scam, it became a battle between MC's website fighting the sony alliance at the time, there were people buying 20-30 copies of the single, but when the dust settled DC outsold her, because they paid more for the spot.

So to me this was just a bunch of people that hate that show going out and buying tons of the single to prove a point, which is cool, but the result is gonna be same old same old, nothing will change in that respect till labels go broke, and that aint gonna happen for a long time folks, the game has changed, this little stunt was about one millionth of what needs to change, but in reality a shit load of people still bought the other single, and what i fear as that like with the MC vs DC game, alot of people just bought tons of the Rage single to prove a point and be part of the game.

Militant said:

He created front bands to get more music out, make more money and garner more influence. Not really that different from what Cowell is doing. I mean, especially when you look at the level of "talent" that Prince put on stage at times. The winner of whatever variety show competition you can put on TV has more talent than half the people Prince wrote/produced records for.

errant said:

I see the point there and both sides of this are valid but at the end of the day people still are the ones that buy it. I mean reality shows exist and we all say they suck, but i still see threads on here for things like "the Keyshia cole story" or "dmx in jail" or "For the Love of Ray J" etc.. so someone is watching and keeping those things on, a tv station is a business and if you fund it, and buy what it advertises than it will continue. I always tell people if you want to disrupt the system DONT VOTE. How about that for a FACEBOOK movement, since nothing is going to get done with Obama because they fight him every turn he makes, how about in 2012 EVERYONE stays home, i mean everyone, what would happen. Well its kind of like this in a way, how about that for a Face book movement, everyone shut off the tv, turn off the laptop and the cell phone NO TEXTING NOTHING for one week, you wanna see the shit fall and collapse, do something like that. Stay out of the stores, just chill with fam and friends, the whole fucking country would collapse.NOW thats a movement.

Militant said:

Prince just used his bed.

lastdecember said:

And that's a good thing why...?