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Reply #60 posted 12/20/09 2:35pm

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It's been confirmed he does not own any shares in Sony. The only money he makes from Sony are from projects that he has a direct involvement in.


do you have any evidence to back this up?
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Reply #61 posted 12/20/09 2:49pm

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But let's say, I hypothetically write a book about the benefits of veganism (I am a vegan for the record) - me selling that book in vegan stores isn't going to do much good because the people shopping there are all most likely vegans already.

If I do a deal with a chain of butcher's shops to sell my vegan book there, and they take a cut of the profits - that doesn't necessarily make me a hypocrite because I'm reaching the audience that I really need to reach - the people who don't know anything about veganism.


Butchers don't sell books - they sell meat. A better hypothesis would be to have your book promoting veganism printed on bacon.

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I can honestly say I've learned things from RATM's music. They spark an interest for people to learn more about important issues. I knew who Noam Chomsky was, but hadn't heard him talk until Rage interviewed him on their "Battle Of Mexico City" DVD. I didn't know about the Zapatista's until Zack talked about them.


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Reply #62 posted 12/20/09 3:45pm

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That wouldn't be a better hypothesis. RATM are not anti-CD's.

And why are you laughing? You're laughing at someone who learned about a cause from a band that fights for that cause? What next, shall we laugh at Public Enemy if someone learned about say, the Black Panthers or Malcolm X from listening to their records? Grow the fuck up.
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Reply #63 posted 12/20/09 3:55pm

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Rage are gonna play a free UK gig if they win! Excellent, I am so there.

Apparently out of the 500,000 flop factor singles shipped to stores, only 10,000 were sold - EPIC FAIL



Make sure you don't get stuck into the mosh pit - I saw them headline at Leeds last year and thought I was going to die. smile

RATM - is not my kind of music but I was really happy to see them beat an x-factor winner - why should he be disappointed anyway? He's been in the music industry for two minutes - people like Joni and Leonard Cohen have never even had a top ten single in UK - Let alone a top 2 single.
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Reply #64 posted 12/20/09 11:59pm

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unique said:

Militant said:

It's been confirmed he does not own any shares in Sony. The only money he makes from Sony are from projects that he has a direct involvement in.


do you have any evidence to back this up?


i guess that's a no then

i tried googling to find the "confirmation" you refer to and couldn't find a thing
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Reply #65 posted 12/21/09 3:09am

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I don't care who gets the Xmas number one as long as its not any stupid talent contest winner.
Simon Cowell has monopolised the Xmas number one and he should be ashamed.
David Bowie recently stated "The X Factor has put the UK music scene back 10 years"
I totally agree.


It was Sting. Formerly of The Police for our younger readers. Ooh, Andy Summers should go in the Top 20 Guitarists list too for influence and unique sound.
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Reply #66 posted 12/21/09 3:27am

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I thought the whole point of this exercise was top stop X factor getting to number 1. It had nothing to with Rage themselves and was started by a couple on Facebook, so why all this anti Rage stuff? it's just a bit of laugh and to see Cowell squirm.

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Reply #67 posted 12/21/09 4:09am

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unique said:

unique said:



do you have any evidence to back this up?


i guess that's a no then

i tried googling to find the "confirmation" you refer to and couldn't find a thing


Simon Cowell does not own any shares in Sony. So he will not benefit from RATM getting a number 1.
Here is a quote from the London Evening Standard :

"Currently, profits from X Factor, Talent and American Idol go to either Simon Fuller's 19 company or Sony... This has meant that while the shows have got bigger,Cowell owns none of them. “He doesn't have any shares in them, he has nothing of the content,” said one of his friends. “They are all owned by Sony or 19."

If he owned shares in Sony then he would at least have part ownership of the show, and this quote cleary shows he does not.
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Reply #68 posted 12/21/09 4:11am

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bigd74 said:

I thought the whole point of this exercise was top stop X factor getting to number 1. It had nothing to with Rage themselves and was started by a couple on Facebook, so why all this anti Rage stuff? it's just a bit of laugh and to see Cowell squirm.

cool


Exactly. People are making too big a deal out of it. There's no reason to attack Rage over this since they didn't start it, and no reason to attack anyone that supported the campaign if they prefer real music and real musicians to manufactured crap.
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Reply #69 posted 12/21/09 10:56am

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iloveannie said:

muirdo said:

I don't care who gets the Xmas number one as long as its not any stupid talent contest winner.
Simon Cowell has monopolised the Xmas number one and he should be ashamed.
David Bowie recently stated "The X Factor has put the UK music scene back 10 years"
I totally agree.


It was Sting. Formerly of The Police for our younger readers. Ooh, Andy Summers should go in the Top 20 Guitarists list too for influence and unique sound.



my bad....thanks for correcting me.
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Reply #70 posted 12/21/09 11:02am

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seriously, though, who really gives a fuck what's #1 at Christmas? (or any other day of the year for that matter)?

if you care about the British charts, why not start a movement to abolish the byzantine system by which they calculated and the 18,000,000 and 1 rules that keep things from entering the charts or re-entering year after year?
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Reply #71 posted 12/21/09 11:41am

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Militant said:

That wouldn't be a better hypothesis. RATM are not anti-CD's.


They purport to be anti-capitalist - and the record company whom markets, distributes and sells their recordings is a major capitalist corporation.

So yes, your pro-veganism book should be printed on bacon, if you really want to sell to meat-eating readers - and Rage Against The Machine's recordings should be free.

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And why are you laughing? You're laughing at someone who learned about a cause from a band that fights for that cause? What next, shall we laugh at Public Enemy if someone learned about say, the Black Panthers or Malcolm X from listening to their records? Grow the fuck up.


No, I think I'll carry on laughing.

"Fuck you! I won't do what you tell me!" lol lol lol
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Reply #72 posted 12/21/09 12:23pm

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You manage to miss the point completely.

We live in a capitalist society, therefore RATM must use a capitalist platform in order for their message to reach the most amount of people. They are infiltrating the enemy in order to understand how it works to do the maximum amount of damage, hell they even have a song called "Know Your Enemy" on the first album.

Your argument is still ridiculous. Books aren't printed on bacon. Music is mass marketed on CD's. See the difference? Probably not since you are so stubborn.

Continue to laugh while the rest of us educate ourselves from as many sources as possible.

I am sure your idols Wendy & Lisa would certainly support RATM over the X Factor(y) in this campaign - as proficient musicians and songwriters themselves, they would never condone the manufactured crap that Cowell spoons out to the ignorant masses.

Any way, the point has been proven and the people, and RATM won. So perhaps you should go and cry over your Joe McLoser download while you sing along to that shit Miley Cyrus song.
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Reply #73 posted 12/21/09 12:27pm

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I thought the whole point of this exercise was top stop X factor getting to number 1. It had nothing to with Rage themselves and was started by a couple on Facebook, so why all this anti Rage stuff? it's just a bit of laugh and to see Cowell squirm.

cool


It is funny. giggle I wished they had done that with Susan tho. falloff
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Reply #74 posted 12/21/09 2:24pm

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I am sure your idols Wendy & Lisa would certainly support RATM over the X Factor(y) in this campaign - as proficient musicians and songwriters themselves, they would never condone the manufactured crap that Cowell spoons out to the ignorant masses.


Yeah... They'd never partake in the creation of manufactured pop.



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So perhaps you should go and cry over your Joe McLoser download while you sing along to that shit Miley Cyrus song.


I never said I liked the Miley Cyrus dirge. Joe's single is equally as shit as the Rage Against The Machine song.

My only issue is with the hypocritical glee that RATM displayed in "socking it to the man."
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Reply #75 posted 12/21/09 4:25pm

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It isn't the same thing at all.

Prince's protege projects were a way of him getting more music out there with different styles of music. He wrote the songs and played almost everything on them, but they were released by WB the same way his albums were.

He didn't form a band of executives to create a TV show at primetime, twice a week, charge people to vote off people one by one, give people the illusion that they are voting for the winner despite the fact that the winner has already been decided halfway through the show, conveniently timing the end of the show around a public holiday for maximum sales exposure, and whoever happens to win the show records a random song written by some team of songwriters somewhere that has been chosen for maximum cheese factor to appeal to people who nothing about music.
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Reply #76 posted 12/21/09 4:48pm

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It isn't the same thing at all.

Prince's protege projects were a way of him getting more music out there with different styles of music. He wrote the songs and played almost everything on them, but they were released by WB the same way his albums were.

He didn't form a band of executives to create a TV show at primetime, twice a week, charge people to vote off people one by one, give people the illusion that they are voting for the winner despite the fact that the winner has already been decided halfway through the show, conveniently timing the end of the show around a public holiday for maximum sales exposure, and whoever happens to win the show records a random song written by some team of songwriters somewhere that has been chosen for maximum cheese factor to appeal to people who nothing about music.


But again it must be admitted that to reach the masses you need the machine? So as you are putting it down, its also benefiting your career, because lets face it this is the most attention a Rage song will ever get. So in reality i dont really see this as "grabbing" people and pulling them over to "real music" thats what the bigger issue is to me, this is more like back in 2001 when Mariah Carey left SONY and now was at war with Sony over the single "loverboy", the battle was with "bootylicious" by DC, there was a bidding war, first selling the single for 1.99, then 1.49, then .99 cents then .50, it was more or less nothing more than a scam, it became a battle between MC's website fighting the sony alliance at the time, there were people buying 20-30 copies of the single, but when the dust settled DC outsold her, because they paid more for the spot.

So to me this was just a bunch of people that hate that show going out and buying tons of the single to prove a point, which is cool, but the result is gonna be same old same old, nothing will change in that respect till labels go broke, and that aint gonna happen for a long time folks, the game has changed, this little stunt was about one millionth of what needs to change, but in reality a shit load of people still bought the other single, and what i fear as that like with the MC vs DC game, alot of people just bought tons of the Rage single to prove a point and be part of the game.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #77 posted 12/21/09 5:15pm

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It isn't the same thing at all.

Prince's protege projects were a way of him getting more music out there with different styles of music. He wrote the songs and played almost everything on them, but they were released by WB the same way his albums were.

He didn't form a band of executives to create a TV show at primetime, twice a week, charge people to vote off people one by one, give people the illusion that they are voting for the winner despite the fact that the winner has already been decided halfway through the show, conveniently timing the end of the show around a public holiday for maximum sales exposure, and whoever happens to win the show records a random song written by some team of songwriters somewhere that has been chosen for maximum cheese factor to appeal to people who nothing about music.



He created front bands to get more music out, make more money and garner more influence. Not really that different from what Cowell is doing. I mean, especially when you look at the level of "talent" that Prince put on stage at times. The winner of whatever variety show competition you can put on TV has more talent than half the people Prince wrote/produced records for.
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Reply #78 posted 12/21/09 5:22pm

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Militant said:

It isn't the same thing at all.

Prince's protege projects were a way of him getting more music out there with different styles of music. He wrote the songs and played almost everything on them, but they were released by WB the same way his albums were.

He didn't form a band of executives to create a TV show at primetime, twice a week, charge people to vote off people one by one, give people the illusion that they are voting for the winner despite the fact that the winner has already been decided halfway through the show, conveniently timing the end of the show around a public holiday for maximum sales exposure, and whoever happens to win the show records a random song written by some team of songwriters somewhere that has been chosen for maximum cheese factor to appeal to people who nothing about music.



He created front bands to get more music out, make more money and garner more influence. Not really that different from what Cowell is doing. I mean, especially when you look at the level of "talent" that Prince put on stage at times. The winner of whatever variety show competition you can put on TV has more talent than half the people Prince wrote/produced records for.


I see the point there and both sides of this are valid but at the end of the day people still are the ones that buy it. I mean reality shows exist and we all say they suck, but i still see threads on here for things like "the Keyshia cole story" or "dmx in jail" or "For the Love of Ray J" etc.. so someone is watching and keeping those things on, a tv station is a business and if you fund it, and buy what it advertises than it will continue. I always tell people if you want to disrupt the system DONT VOTE. How about that for a FACEBOOK movement, since nothing is going to get done with Obama because they fight him every turn he makes, how about in 2012 EVERYONE stays home, i mean everyone, what would happen. Well its kind of like this in a way, how about that for a Face book movement, everyone shut off the tv, turn off the laptop and the cell phone NO TEXTING NOTHING for one week, you wanna see the shit fall and collapse, do something like that. Stay out of the stores, just chill with fam and friends, the whole fucking country would collapse.NOW thats a movement.

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Reply #79 posted 12/21/09 11:56pm

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It isn't the same thing at all.

Prince's protege projects were a way of him getting more music out there with different styles of music.

He didn't form a band of executives to create a TV show at primetime, twice a week, charge people to vote off people one by one, give people the illusion that they are voting for the winner despite the fact that the winner has already been decided halfway through the show, conveniently timing the end of the show around a public holiday for maximum sales exposure, and whoever happens to win the show records a random song written by some team of songwriters somewhere that has been chosen for maximum cheese factor to appeal to people who nothing about music.


Prince just used his bed. smile
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Reply #80 posted 12/22/09 4:04am

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...the whole fucking country would collapse. NOW thats a movement.


And that's a good thing why...?
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