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PrintableCinnie said: Militant said: I bought "Killing In The Name" from Play.com for 65p to support the campaign even though I already own all of RATM's albums.
This pretty much says it all. Everyone should just continue supporting the artists they appreciate. Exactly. | |
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CHIC0 said: whatever happened to just liking what you like, and buying what you want to buy?
 and if it's a Christmas #1...why not make it a Christmas song that makes it? George Michael's "December Song" for instance.
I love George Michael but that song is BORING. I'd buy RATM against that any day, | |
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Cinnie said: Stop all the dumb shit and cop an album from an unsigned artist on cdbaby
I would, but your album hasn't come out yet  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Cinnie said: Stop all the dumb shit and cop an album from an unsigned artist on cdbaby
I would, but your album hasn't come out yet Yeah Cinnie when you putting something out man?  | |
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Militant said: I see a lot of people thinking they're clever by saying "Well RATM and XFactor are both on Sony Music, so no-one is sticking it to anyone" and other such stuff.
For me I can't stand the fact that Simon Cowell manipulates and uses the UK public and even his own contestants with his despicable TV shows, promising people stardom instead of encouraging real talent and musicianship. Does anybody remember who won X Factor last year or the year before? Thought not. The UK public is sick of this shit, so we're rallying behind a song by a REAL band who wrote the song themselves and played all the instruments on it and actually STAND for something.....a far better alternative than some muppet who's having all the strings pulled by his puppetmasters, singing a Hannah-fucking-Montana song and will be completely forgotten about in a few months time. I bought "Killing In The Name" from Play.com for 65p to support the campaign even though I already own all of RATM's albums. I might buy it again actually on a different site. as much as i hate shit like the x factor, i have even less respect for the singles charts, and i hope shit like joe or whatever the fuck his name is gets to number one, and not another ancient song bought by a bunch of sheep who wouldn't know rage against the machine, jeff buckley or leonard cohen if they punched them in the fucking face, and worse don't see the numerous ironic points in what they are doing i actually admire simon cowel for what he does, in a similar way to tom parker, malcolm mclaren and pt barnum. i don't think he gives two shits about the music, he's just in it for the business aspect, choosing acts he think he can exploit, and manipulating the public into buying the cardboard sounding shit they release. he's feeding the publics own shit back to themselves, and they are lapping it up, and as far as i'm concerned those people with no taste should be left to lap that shit up whilst the majority of the public get on with life before x factor came along the charts were already full of shit for years, decades on end, as that's what people want to buy, shit music. simon cowel hasn't taken charts full of great records and replaced them with shit songs and artists instead, there's no change. he's giving sheep what they want, simple uncomplicated choices of buying safe sterile music all he needs to do now is make an x factor pop idol video game so fucktards can sit at home pressing coloured buttons in time to the shitty music that's came out of the show in the last 10 years, so the kids will spend hours and hours playing the game instead of spending the time in a more productive way by learning to play a musical instrument, so they won't grow up knowing how to play or sing, and they won't be able to infect a future generation with their offensive lack of taste in music. then perhaps the kids who have no interest in that shit can rise up and become creative and make music for the masses who current languish unheard without a vote of no confidence remember that there are approximately 60 million people in the uk, and normally the shows viewing figures are around 8.75 million or so on a good day, and even if the final got 20 million viewers, during prime time on a saturday night when there has been absolutely fuck all worth watching on any of the seventeen million fucking cable channels, that's still a minority of people watching the show, and the number of people buying the single is a small percentage of the viewing figures, which are of course estimated and never will be anywhere near accurate until technology allows tv ratings to be monitored in a similar way to website states or youtube clicks so by buying the rage against the machine track, what does that do? it upsets the braindead, grannies and kids who don't get the nice [insert name of the winner] to number one after spending the last few weeks singing songs they didn't write, and probably didn't even know half of them, and at the same time making the buyer fail to see the irony and hippocracy of buying a 20 year old youth rebellion song that was released on the same global record label as the x factor song, and pumping even more money into the bank accounts of phony so they can fund more shitty acts with even worse records to inflict on the public next year if you really gave a shit about rage against the machine, what was the delay in buying the song before? i really want to hear the list of excuses that caused a delay of 20 years in buying the fucking cd. now you're 20 years older and no longer young, you probably have a job and kids and shit, and surely you therefore must have the intelligence to know that listening to a track like that isn't going to make you feel any younger, or appear any cooler, and surely by now you must be old enough to know that following the pop charts isn't cool and certainly isn't going to increase your street cred. the student who works the till at tesco, who will probably be out of a job next year and replaced by one of them fucking machines that most people rage against when they keep telling you to stick it in the bagging area, isn't going to give two shits about your choice in music, and is probably laughing inside at the sight of you wearing your killers t shit whilst buying the sunday papers so let the charts burn in fucking hell, let the shit factor get to number one. buy loads of fucking copies of it, make the morons buying the RATM track feel a teensy bit of rage by wasting 29 fucking pence by sitting on their arse in the comfort of their own home clicking on the amazon webshite. fuck the world, if you don't like the charts, don't buy any of the songs. if you like rage against the machine, download the album illegally instead so phony doesn't get any money, you stick it to the man, and you won't have blood on your hands if the copywrite holders die from a drug overdoe because you have funded their habit real rebels and anarchists will agree with me, rage against the irony, not against the machine. it's pointless and makes you look like a dick, and worse, you don't even realise it | |
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unique said: Militant said: I see a lot of people thinking they're clever by saying "Well RATM and XFactor are both on Sony Music, so no-one is sticking it to anyone" and other such stuff.
For me I can't stand the fact that Simon Cowell manipulates and uses the UK public and even his own contestants with his despicable TV shows, promising people stardom instead of encouraging real talent and musicianship. Does anybody remember who won X Factor last year or the year before? Thought not. The UK public is sick of this shit, so we're rallying behind a song by a REAL band who wrote the song themselves and played all the instruments on it and actually STAND for something.....a far better alternative than some muppet who's having all the strings pulled by his puppetmasters, singing a Hannah-fucking-Montana song and will be completely forgotten about in a few months time. I bought "Killing In The Name" from Play.com for 65p to support the campaign even though I already own all of RATM's albums. I might buy it again actually on a different site. as much as i hate shit like the x factor, i have even less respect for the singles charts, and i hope shit like joe or whatever the fuck his name is gets to number one, and not another ancient song bought by a bunch of sheep who wouldn't know rage against the machine, jeff buckley or leonard cohen if they punched them in the fucking face, and worse don't see the numerous ironic points in what they are doing i actually admire simon cowel for what he does, in a similar way to tom parker, malcolm mclaren and pt barnum. i don't think he gives two shits about the music, he's just in it for the business aspect, choosing acts he think he can exploit, and manipulating the public into buying the cardboard sounding shit they release. he's feeding the publics own shit back to themselves, and they are lapping it up, and as far as i'm concerned those people with no taste should be left to lap that shit up whilst the majority of the public get on with life before x factor came along the charts were already full of shit for years, decades on end, as that's what people want to buy, shit music. simon cowel hasn't taken charts full of great records and replaced them with shit songs and artists instead, there's no change. he's giving sheep what they want, simple uncomplicated choices of buying safe sterile music all he needs to do now is make an x factor pop idol video game so fucktards can sit at home pressing coloured buttons in time to the shitty music that's came out of the show in the last 10 years, so the kids will spend hours and hours playing the game instead of spending the time in a more productive way by learning to play a musical instrument, so they won't grow up knowing how to play or sing, and they won't be able to infect a future generation with their offensive lack of taste in music. then perhaps the kids who have no interest in that shit can rise up and become creative and make music for the masses who current languish unheard without a vote of no confidence remember that there are approximately 60 million people in the uk, and normally the shows viewing figures are around 8.75 million or so on a good day, and even if the final got 20 million viewers, during prime time on a saturday night when there has been absolutely fuck all worth watching on any of the seventeen million fucking cable channels, that's still a minority of people watching the show, and the number of people buying the single is a small percentage of the viewing figures, which are of course estimated and never will be anywhere near accurate until technology allows tv ratings to be monitored in a similar way to website states or youtube clicks so by buying the rage against the machine track, what does that do? it upsets the braindead, grannies and kids who don't get the nice [insert name of the winner] to number one after spending the last few weeks singing songs they didn't write, and probably didn't even know half of them, and at the same time making the buyer fail to see the irony and hippocracy of buying a 20 year old youth rebellion song that was released on the same global record label as the x factor song, and pumping even more money into the bank accounts of phony so they can fund more shitty acts with even worse records to inflict on the public next year if you really gave a shit about rage against the machine, what was the delay in buying the song before? i really want to hear the list of excuses that caused a delay of 20 years in buying the fucking cd. now you're 20 years older and no longer young, you probably have a job and kids and shit, and surely you therefore must have the intelligence to know that listening to a track like that isn't going to make you feel any younger, or appear any cooler, and surely by now you must be old enough to know that following the pop charts isn't cool and certainly isn't going to increase your street cred. the student who works the till at tesco, who will probably be out of a job next year and replaced by one of them fucking machines that most people rage against when they keep telling you to stick it in the bagging area, isn't going to give two shits about your choice in music, and is probably laughing inside at the sight of you wearing your killers t shit whilst buying the sunday papers so let the charts burn in fucking hell, let the shit factor get to number one. buy loads of fucking copies of it, make the morons buying the RATM track feel a teensy bit of rage by wasting 29 fucking pence by sitting on their arse in the comfort of their own home clicking on the amazon webshite. fuck the world, if you don't like the charts, don't buy any of the songs. if you like rage against the machine, download the album illegally instead so phony doesn't get any money, you stick it to the man, and you won't have blood on your hands if the copywrite holders die from a drug overdoe because you have funded their habit real rebels and anarchists will agree with me, rage against the irony, not against the machine. it's pointless and makes you look like a dick, and worse, you don't even realise it Yes! Yes! buy neither! I'm looking forward to my Turkey, pigs in blankets, and Dr Who. Fuck the Xmas #1!  |
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unique, I'm just trying to explain the stance of a lot of people to those who don't get it.
Personally I bought all the RATM albums years ago, like I stated before. And I'm fully aware that nothing is going to change, the irony of supporting Sony, etc etc etc etc etc etc. But I don't give a fuck about that shit. It just boils down to this: 1. I have a choice over 2 songs that both stand a good chance of being #1. I support the RATM track because I like RATM. 2. I don't like the fact that Simon Cowell pretty much thinks it's a given at this point that whatever loser wins his boring show will get a #1 single straight away. There's no point trying to make this bigger than it is. Cowell's cage has been rattled already - he seems fairly indignant that anybody would even dare to challenge his shite, so job done I guess. |
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moderatorMilitant said: unique, I'm just trying to explain the stance of a lot of people to those who don't get it.
Personally I bought all the RATM albums years ago, like I stated before. And I'm fully aware that nothing is going to change, the irony of supporting Sony, etc etc etc etc etc etc. But I don't give a fuck about that shit. It just boils down to this: 1. I have a choice over 2 songs that both stand a good chance of being #1. I support the RATM track because I like RATM. 2. I don't like the fact that Simon Cowell pretty much thinks it's a given at this point that whatever loser wins his boring show will get a #1 single straight away. There's no point trying to make this bigger than it is. Cowell's cage has been rattled already - he seems fairly indignant that anybody would even dare to challenge his shite, so job done I guess. firstly, just to be clear, although i might have quoted your text initially, and may use the word "you", i don't necessarily mean you personally, in fact i usually don't mean anything personally towards the quoted person when i reply to anything on forums, and most people realise that, and i think you do to but to address the quote here, i presume you are a grown man or woman, so why the fuck would you care about what is in the pop charts, and furthermore care about a particular track being number one? that's what you do when your a child, scribbling on your school jotter and wearing badges on your blazer, posters on the wall and if you think simon cowel is genuinely bothered by this, then your far more niave than i initially thought, as this is just a huge publicity stunt that's working marvellously for simon cowel and joe, giving them the sympathy vote from the millions of viewers who watch the show to buy his shitty miley single and stop the big bad armchair anarchists destroy thier fucking christmas with thier fucking macbooks and itunes. the more a fuss there is about RATM, the more it plays into simon cowels hands, and the more money he makes, because no doubt his involvement with his offshoot label on phony will involve a number of shares in the parent company, so he will make money from both songs. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was dreamt up by a phony executive, worried that the shitty winner of this years show wasn't a patch on the last two winners, and would quickly dissapear into the same black hole as leon jackson and the binmen all this RATM thing is doing is creating more publicity for simon cowel, more money for him, and it's the first and only interesting thing that anyone has to say about this years show winner, as dull as fucking dishwater he is. if the facebook campaing hadn't have happened, he would have been forgotten about by the end of the year, but now the story will be in all the end of the year/decade top 100 shows on bbc2 and c4 for people who can't remember what happened over the last 365 days or 10 years, and can't be arsed looking it up on youtube by pushing the campaing, you are playing into simon cowels hands and making him more powerful than you could possibly imagine | |
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Why would I care about the pop charts? Because I like pop music and think the charts still have SOME value, if only a little.
And if having posters on my wall, makes me a child, I guess I'm a child then as I have lots of posters of Prince, Kurt Cobain, Michael Jackson, Tupac and tour posters of my own band on my walls, and my wife doesn't seem to mind 
Cowell is definitely a little bit bothered, you can tell in his interviews when he says things like "this campaign is directly aimed at me". RATM wouldn't have stepped in themselves if the campaign was started by executives, inf act Radio 5 had the person who started the campaign on their show and he was clearly just some random RATM fan who started a Facebook group and didn't expect it to become popular. As for making money for Sony, well my band used to be signed to Sony ourselves (we're now with Universal).....so should we have not released any music ourselves because Simon Cowell has an interest in Sony? I understand where you're coming from though, but I don't share your viewpoint. |
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unique said: Militant said: unique, I'm just trying to explain the stance of a lot of people to those who don't get it.
Personally I bought all the RATM albums years ago, like I stated before. And I'm fully aware that nothing is going to change, the irony of supporting Sony, etc etc etc etc etc etc. But I don't give a fuck about that shit. It just boils down to this: 1. I have a choice over 2 songs that both stand a good chance of being #1. I support the RATM track because I like RATM. 2. I don't like the fact that Simon Cowell pretty much thinks it's a given at this point that whatever loser wins his boring show will get a #1 single straight away. There's no point trying to make this bigger than it is. Cowell's cage has been rattled already - he seems fairly indignant that anybody would even dare to challenge his shite, so job done I guess. firstly, just to be clear, although i might have quoted your text initially, and may use the word "you", i don't necessarily mean you personally, in fact i usually don't mean anything personally towards the quoted person when i reply to anything on forums, and most people realise that, and i think you do to but to address the quote here, i presume you are a grown man or woman, so why the fuck would you care about what is in the pop charts, and furthermore care about a particular track being number one? that's what you do when your a child, scribbling on your school jotter and wearing badges on your blazer, posters on the wall and if you think simon cowel is genuinely bothered by this, then your far more niave than i initially thought, as this is just a huge publicity stunt that's working marvellously for simon cowel and joe, giving them the sympathy vote from the millions of viewers who watch the show to buy his shitty miley single and stop the big bad armchair anarchists destroy thier fucking christmas with thier fucking macbooks and itunes. the more a fuss there is about RATM, the more it plays into simon cowels hands, and the more money he makes, because no doubt his involvement with his offshoot label on phony will involve a number of shares in the parent company, so he will make money from both songs. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was dreamt up by a phony executive, worried that the shitty winner of this years show wasn't a patch on the last two winners, and would quickly dissapear into the same black hole as leon jackson and the binmen all this RATM thing is doing is creating more publicity for simon cowel, more money for him, and it's the first and only interesting thing that anyone has to say about this years show winner, as dull as fucking dishwater he is. if the facebook campaing hadn't have happened, he would have been forgotten about by the end of the year, but now the story will be in all the end of the year/decade top 100 shows on bbc2 and c4 for people who can't remember what happened over the last 365 days or 10 years, and can't be arsed looking it up on youtube by pushing the campaing, you are playing into simon cowels hands and making him more powerful than you could possibly imagine I was listening to the Star Wars Radio Drama as i was reading your last sentence, that amused me. |
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Militant said: Why would I care about the pop charts? Because I like pop music and think the charts still have SOME value, if only a little.
And if having posters on my wall, makes me a child, I guess I'm a child then as I have lots of posters of Prince, Kurt Cobain, Michael Jackson, Tupac and tour posters of my own band on my walls, and my wife doesn't seem to mind
Cowell is definitely a little bit bothered, you can tell in his interviews when he says things like "this campaign is directly aimed at me". RATM wouldn't have stepped in themselves if the campaign was started by executives, inf act Radio 5 had the person who started the campaign on their show and he was clearly just some random RATM fan who started a Facebook group and didn't expect it to become popular. As for making money for Sony, well my band used to be signed to Sony ourselves (we're now with Universal).....so should we have not released any music ourselves because Simon Cowell has an interest in Sony? I understand where you're coming from though, but I don't share your viewpoint. if you like pop music, then turning your back on the charts to listen to good contemporary popular music is going to be far more enlightening. by following a chart you are depriving yourself of good music if you have the RATM song already, why buy it again? and going back to my first post, why would someone buy it now if they didn't buy it in the last 20 years? sitting on your arse and clicking a few buttons to try and make a stupid point is just pathetic, and it's apathy like that that bands like RATM suggest they oppose simon cowel really isn't botherd about this, in fact he's secretly delighted for the reasons i mentioned before, it's creating fantastic publicity for his record. he can't go out and say he thinks it's a fantastic idea etc etc as that wouldn't work, but going out and saying it's a shame that the grinch is trying to steal christmas works in his favour by generating sympathy towards joe, and ultimately more sales. in turn, the fucktards will be furiously clicking away at itunes in between wanking over semi naked photos of celebretards, in the misguided hope that they will get a laugh at xmess when a song with swearing gets to number one. if they really lead such a fucking monotomous life empty of joy they should spend the money buying some shitty comedy dvd like michael mcintyre instead. they'll probably love his tesco value style anecdotes of boring shit that only imbeciles will think is funny RATM themselves have sold out by appearing on bbc news. of course they want to get on board the campaign as it gives them loads of unexpected publicity to sell a shitload of more records. even if they give away the royalties for the sales of that one song for december, they will be raking it in by extra sales from the album. if they were even mildly upset with the machine they wouldn't be playing like monkeys for it. the angry young men that played on the record are now grown up rich adults as they kissed, fucked and married the machine welcome to the machine | |
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Killing in the Name of Love is one of my favourite songs. | |
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Rage are gonna play a free UK gig if they win! Excellent, I am so there.
Apparently out of the 500,000 flop factor singles shipped to stores, only 10,000 were sold - EPIC FAIL |
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unique said: if you like pop music, then turning your back on the charts to listen to good contemporary popular music is going to be far more enlightening. by following a chart you are depriving yourself of good music
The only time that I take an interest in who's #1 on the Singles Chart is at Christmas. It's a tradition, like paper hats, turkey and mistletoe. I really couldn't give a shit at any other time of the year. I just know that when I'm eating my dinner and watching the Christmas Day Top Of The Pops, I don't want my ears to be assualted with Rage Against The fucking Machine. | |
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"Fucking Machine"? Like the one in Bruno? Or on some of those sites that Imago visits? | |
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I don't care who gets the Xmas number one as long as its not any stupid talent contest winner.
Simon Cowell has monopolised the Xmas number one and he should be ashamed. David Bowie recently stated "The X Factor has put the UK music scene back 10 years" I totally agree. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Well it actually did it, Killing In The Name beat Miley Cyrus's The Climb performed by X Factor Winner to Xmas #1, how fuckin cool is that! Fuck You I Won't Do What You Tell Me !!!
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bigd74 said: Well it actually did it, Killing In The Name beat Miley Cyrus's The Climb performed by X Factor Winner to Xmas #1, how fuckin cool is that! Fuck You I Won't Do What You Tell Me !!!
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Well its the same thing in this country, i didnt see anyone complaining about contest winners or contest show contestants like Carrie Underwood or Ruben or Clay when they were making that shit top charts.
But honestly who gives a fuck, SIMON isnt coming to peoples houses and telling them to buy it, people go out and get it, its funny how now people are bitching about "monopoly" now and this has been going on for almost 2 decades, everything is bought and sold ppeople. And RAGE are the biggest bunch of hypocrits and always have been. Rallying and bitching about corporate america and yet signed to one of the biggest corporations in the world. If they had balls they would quit and then try their protests as indie artists with no money injected by a corporation to help them. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: And RAGE are the biggest bunch of hypocrits and always have been. Rallying and bitching about corporate america and yet signed to one of the biggest corporations in the world. If they had balls they would quit and then try their protests as indie artists with no money injected by a corporation to help them.
Tom Morello from RATM answered this years ago: "When you live in a capitalistic society, the currency of the dissemination of information goes through capitalistic channels. Would Noam Chomsky object to his works being sold at Barnes & Noble? No, because that's where people buy their books. We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart" I'm happy that RATM are #1, this just goes to show that the POWER of the PEOPLE beats Simon Cowell and his marketing millions every time. 50,000 more copies of the RATM song than the XFactor(y) song sold, all started by a group created by two people on Facebook. Incredible, and real music wins  |
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But the sad thing is Cowell still wins, i've read he's on the board at Sony, who Rage are signed to. And he's got something to do with BMG uk which Rave... was released on so you can't really escape him.
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bigd74 said: But the sad thing is Cowell still wins, i've read he's on the board at Sony, who Rage are signed to. And he's got something to do with BMG uk which Rave... was released on so you can't really escape him.
He's not on the "board" of Sony. Sony are the parent company of his company, Syco. Rage are with Epic, a completely different subsidiary. It's like saying Simon Cowell benefits from the sale of Playstations. |
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Rage Against the Machine beat X Factor winner in charts Rock band Rage Against The Machine has won the most competitive battle in years for the Christmas number one. The band's single, Killing In The Name, sold 500,000 downloads beating X Factor winner Joe McElderry's The Climb by 50,000 copies to clinch the top spot. Their success followed a Facebook campaign designed to prevent another X Factor number one. One retailer said it was a "truly remarkable outcome - possibly the greatest chart upset ever". 'Sterile pop' Speaking on the Radio 1 chart show, Zack de la Rocha from Rage said: "We are very, very ecstatic about being number one." He added it was an "incredible organic grassroots campaign". "It says more about the spontaneous action taken by young people throughout the UK to topple this very sterile pop monopoly," he said. McElderry, 18, praised the campaign, adding: "It's been exciting to be part of a much-hyped battle and they definitely deserve congratulations." Thanking all the fans who bought his single, he said: "This time last year I never thought for one minute that I'd win The X Factor, never mind about having a debut single out, so I'm just delighted to be in the charts. "It's been such an incredible couple of months and I got the best Christmas gift I could ever have asked for in winning The X Factor." Despite earlier in the week calling the campaign "stupid", X Factor judge Simon Cowell offered his congratulations to the couple behind it, Jon and Tracy Morter. He said: "I am gutted for Joe because a number one single meant a lot to him but I have to congratulate Jon and Tracy, who started the Facebook campaign. "I called Jon on Saturday to congratulate the two of them that, win or lose, they turned this into a very exciting race for the Christmas number one. "I am proud of Joe - he worked really hard this week, but he has a great year ahead of him." The Los Angeles rock band's hit also set two records: it is the first single to reach the top of the charts on download sales alone and has achieved the biggest download sales total in a first week ever in the UK charts. McElderry's song was only released digitally after his victory in the X Factor, giving it less time to rack up sales than Rage Against The Machine. On Friday the band's lead was just 9,000 copies, but sales then soared by 200,000 to secure victory. Official Charts Company managing director Martin Talbot said: "Congratulations to Rage Against The Machine on their number one - as we have seen in recent years, overhauling any X Factor winner in the race for the Christmas number one is no mean achievement." Free concert Rage Against The Machine are signed to Epic Records, which is part of Sony BMG, the same label as McElderry. Mr de la Rocha said the band would perform a free concert in the UK in 2010 to celebrate their chart win. The past four Christmas number ones have all been by X Factor winners; Alexandra Burke's version of Hallelujah last year was one of the biggest selling festive singles ever. Eighteen-year-old McElderry won X Factor last Sunday Guitarist Tom Morello said it had "tapped into the silent majority of the people in the UK who are tired of being spoon-fed one schmaltzy ballad after another". He added that proceeds from the single would go to homeless charity Shelter tying in with the Morters' Facebook campaign which includes an online link to give to the charity, raising nearly £70,000 so far. Gennaro Castaldo, from high street retailer HMV, said it was a "truly remarkable outcome - possibly the greatest chart upset ever". RECENT CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONES 2000: Bob the Builder: Can We Fix It 2001: Robbie Williams & Nicole Kidman: Somethin' Stupid 2002: Girls Aloud: Sound of the Underground 2003: Michael Andrews feat Gary Jules: Mad World Band Aid 20: Do They Know It's Christmas? 2005: Shayne Ward: That's My Goal 2006: Leona Lewis: A Moment Like This 2007: Leon Jackson: When You Believe 2008: Alexandra Burke: Hallelujah What's all the Rage against? "It's not so much that Joe lost the race - sales of his single have matched those of recent X Factor winners, and he shouldn't take this personally; this is all about the stunning impact of the Rage Against The Machine internet campaign in galvanising music fans to protest against the dominance of the reality show in recent years." The expletive-laden song is a "powerful protest", he said, adding: "Rage Against The Machine may not be the ideal expression of the Christmas spirit - and many people will have preferred a more appropriate song to top the festive charts, but their anti-corporate message proved a perfect vehicle through which to register such a powerful protest." The last big Christmas battle on a similar scale was between the Spice Girls' Goodbye and South Park character Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls in 1998. The Spice Girls won with 380,000 to their rival's 375,000. Despite losing out on the single top spot, Cowell kept a hold on the album chart, with Susan Boyle's I Dreamed A Dream remaining at number one for a fourth week. | |
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Militant said: bigd74 said: But the sad thing is Cowell still wins, i've read he's on the board at Sony, who Rage are signed to. And he's got something to do with BMG uk which Rave... was released on so you can't really escape him.
He's not on the "board" of Sony. Sony are the parent company of his company, Syco. Rage are with Epic, a completely different subsidiary. It's like saying Simon Cowell benefits from the sale of Playstations. ok thanks. She Believed in Fairytales and Princes, He Believed the voices coming from his stereo
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Militant said: bigd74 said: But the sad thing is Cowell still wins, i've read he's on the board at Sony, who Rage are signed to. And he's got something to do with BMG uk which Rave... was released on so you can't really escape him.
He's not on the "board" of Sony. Sony are the parent company of his company, Syco. Rage are with Epic, a completely different subsidiary. It's like saying Simon Cowell benefits from the sale of Playstations. he would if he owns sony shares. it's likely he has shares in sony as part of his stake in the company | |
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unique said: Militant said: He's not on the "board" of Sony. Sony are the parent company of his company, Syco. Rage are with Epic, a completely different subsidiary. It's like saying Simon Cowell benefits from the sale of Playstations. he would if he owns sony shares. it's likely he has shares in sony as part of his stake in the company If he has shares then he benefits as do any other shareholders, if a companys revenue goes up, so will its stock and then shareholders get their money. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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It's been confirmed he does not own any shares in Sony. The only money he makes from Sony are from projects that he has a direct involvement in. |
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Militant said: lastdecember said: And RAGE are the biggest bunch of hypocrits and always have been. Rallying and bitching about corporate america and yet signed to one of the biggest corporations in the world. If they had balls they would quit and then try their protests as indie artists with no money injected by a corporation to help them.
Tom Morello from RATM answered this years ago: "When you live in a capitalistic society, the currency of the dissemination of information goes through capitalistic channels. Would Noam Chomsky object to his works being sold at Barnes & Noble? No, because that's where people buy their books. We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart" I'm happy that RATM are #1, this just goes to show that the POWER of the PEOPLE beats Simon Cowell and his marketing millions every time. 50,000 more copies of the RATM song than the XFactor(y) song sold, all started by a group created by two people on Facebook. Incredible, and real music wins But using the channel to create your own message, its still a double standard. We can bitch about things like the internet and what it causes and yet still use the thing 24/7, it is a double standard. RAGE can rally but without that manufacturing of two giants, SONY and Itunes, and lets not leave out Facebook, they take tons of corporate money and are propped up by alot of $$'s at this point, its not like some smuggled underground news source. Without those things Rage wouldnt have a prayer, and in the end the money made went right back into the "machine" of the industry that will buy and sell its images 24/7. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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How are Rage taking "corporate money" from Facebook?
Facebook was simply used as the beginning platform because it's the biggest social network. I do understand your point and in some ways it's a valid one. But let's say, I hypothetically write a book about the benefits of veganism (I am a vegan for the record) - me selling that book in vegan stores isn't going to do much good because the people shopping there are all most likely vegans already. If I do a deal with a chain of butcher's shops to sell my vegan book there, and they take a cut of the profits - that doesn't necessarily make me a hypocrite because I'm reaching the audience that I really need to reach - the people who don't know anything about veganism. I can honestly say I've learned things from RATM's music. They spark an interest for people to learn more about important issues. I knew who Noam Chomsky was, but hadn't heard him talk until Rage interviewed him on their "Battle Of Mexico City" DVD. I didn't know about the Zapatista's until Zack talked about them. Would as many people be open to learning these things if Rage didn't have the marketing benefits of a major label behind them? Things are kinda different now and in this day and age if RATM were a new band they wouldn't necessarily need a major, but in the 90's, it was the best method for them to reach a massive audience with their message. |
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Militant said: How are Rage taking "corporate money" from Facebook?
Facebook was simply used as the beginning platform because it's the biggest social network. I do understand your point and in some ways it's a valid one. But let's say, I hypothetically write a book about the benefits of veganism (I am a vegan for the record) - me selling that book in vegan stores isn't going to do much good because the people shopping there are all most likely vegans already. If I do a deal with a chain of butcher's shops to sell my vegan book there, and they take a cut of the profits - that doesn't necessarily make me a hypocrite because I'm reaching the audience that I really need to reach - the people who don't know anything about veganism. I can honestly say I've learned things from RATM's music. They spark an interest for people to learn more about important issues. I knew who Noam Chomsky was, but hadn't heard him talk until Rage interviewed him on their "Battle Of Mexico City" DVD. I didn't know about the Zapatista's until Zack talked about them. Would as many people be open to learning these things if Rage didn't have the marketing benefits of a major label behind them? Things are kinda different now and in this day and age if RATM were a new band they wouldn't necessarily need a major, but in the 90's, it was the best method for them to reach a massive audience with their message. Well its many things. It can be what Prince does, he talks about majors and how they do things while he cuts indie records on his own label. But then uses the very chain when he needs them to get him some hard cash made, with his one off deals with Sony and Universal which made him more money than his WB days. So why should someone coming up taking that seriously? Heres a guy complaining about how labels work but then using their works to make money? I understand all the points, but at the end of the day, you still need a platform to bitch from, nothing is grass roots. Facebook is not grass roots, it was 3-4 years ago, but now its just like Myspace, owned. I mean these arguments date back forever, Duran Duran wrote a song bitching about MTV being overwhelming, and yet if it wasnt for MTV they would have never made it ever. So in the end i really see it more as people selling the problem they have and the stand they are taking, and then the money going right back into the system. At the end of it all to make some noise, if you want to, you need the platform and you need the system to reach the masses. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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