im not even looking for her to surpass her classic albums i just want her to make some good music for her fans and stop trying to get the 106 n park crowd on board.personally i would prefer the old team of janet/jam/lewis, i still loved the songs they did together on 20yo.i think janet wants to work with them but the label has other ideas.

Fair enough. I just find it very lazy. I prefer Feedback to All For You because lyrically it's somewhat witty and the production is funky and original.

Well, technically she says it's classic her with a modern twist. But no matter what she does, her work - even if she were to reunite with Jam & Lewis - is never going to approach the four fantastic albums she released between 1986 and 1997.

lowkey said:

Janet has already worked with them (prior to Michael's death) for the new album. I do not know if any of this material will see the light of day. Janet does not need a label to fund her production at all.

I think what she is going to do is take a finished album to A&M and ask them if they want to release it - instead of, as with Discipline, recording whatever the label head threw at her.
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VoicesCarry said:

Different strokes, for different folks
All for You is straight up classic Janet but not Feeback.

VoicesCarry said:

She said that about Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. too
and I'm not saying Jam & Lewis/Janet collabo will recapture the classics she released long ago. I would like for them to create some good music for her fans Her fanbase are people that grew up to Control, RN1814 and her other classics. So it's kind of dumb to go after the younger generation in this ageist society.

midiscover said:

actually jd said it about 20yo and janet just agreed, he did all the talking during that era. i agree about her not trying to cater to the younger crowd, they are not her fanbase and will not support her music regardless how hot a song may be.janet is over 40 and its just not the 'in' thing for the youngsters to buy a janet cd.thats why i want her,jimmy and terry to go in the studio and make a record for her fans.

midiscover said:

actually jd said it about 20yo and janet just agreed, he did all the talking during that era. i agree about her not trying to cater to the younger crowd, they are not her fanbase and will not support her music regardless how hot a song may be.janet is over 40 and its just not the 'in' thing for the youngsters to buy a janet cd.thats why i want her,jimmy and terry to go in the studio and make a record for her fans.

lowkey said:

Yea, but she continued to say "it's classic me with a modern twist" about every song.

lowkey said:

Janet has been saying variations of this for years, and I think she needs to stop with it because it creates unrealistic expectations amongst her fans - that is, that new material will be comparable with her old.
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lowkey said:

Yea, but she continued to say "it's classic me with a modern twist" about every song.

midiscover said:

she know she didnt mean that shit, janet showed zero interest in the music during that era,all she talked about was jd, how great jd is, sex with jd ,ect,ect. at least this time she is talking about writing songs and stuff, i hope she is focused

lowkey said:

Can't forget her weight! I'm still waiting on her fucking weight loss bible to be published. Valerie Bertinelli, she ain't

VoicesCarry said:

True. I think she bullshits when she says that, like just make good music, don't compare it lol

midiscover said:

she know she didnt mean that shit, janet showed zero interest in the music during that era,all she talked about was jd, how great jd is, sex with jd ,ect,ect. at least this time she is talking about writing songs and stuff, i hope she is focused

midiscover said:

she know she didnt mean that shit, janet showed zero interest in the music during that era,all she talked about was jd, how great jd is, sex with jd ,ect,ect. at least this time she is talking about writing songs and stuff, i hope she is focused

What time does the music video premiere ?

lowkey said:

Can't forget her weight! I'm still waiting on her fucking weight loss bible to be published. Valerie Bertinelli, she ain't

midiscover said:

Those earrings!

I know more about Janet and her career than most everyone on this board.

It would be so hot for Janet to do an album with Trevor Horn

sosgemini said:

It became the art of the beat.

As her partnership with Jam & Lewis progressed, Janet's material started to rely more and more heavily on direct samples because the producers were simply past their prime. They could craft a fantastic original song 20 years ago, but today, there's no reason to think they're any better than Dupri. Jam & Lewis are not going to be her saviours any time soon.

With Rodney she has done some interesting things, like Feedback, and I'd like to see her explore that further. It's funny because everyone - myself included - thought Make Me was a Jam & Lewis production when it leaked and then it turned out Rodney produced it. So, he has managed to capture at least some of their chemistry.
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VoicesCarry said:

I really don't care about the debate at hand...but i say this as someone who has seen you go from point a to point b and finds your intellect and looks sexy as fuck: don't you ever. quote. or. think. anything. close. to. this. statement. period.

that is all.


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VoicesCarry said:

Yeah, and I'm curious as to what they will do together now that she is actually involved, interested and writing.

Agreed. As much as I lover her work with Jam & Lewis from the past, there's nothing that they can do for her now that Rodney Jerkins isn't already doing for her. He's managing to give her something approximating that classic Jackson/Jam/Lewis with a contemporary twist without having to bring them in. All For You was the very stale. And while the J&L track(s?) on 20 YO might have been the best thing on there, it's only by comparison to the utter dreck that is surrounding it. Enjoy is a nice little number, but back in the day, it would have been 3rd-tier album filler from that team. Even TVR, as good as it is, wasn't really up to snuff and was showing signs of fatigue from a production standpoint. Aside from a few tracks, you can tell they were starting to chase certain sounds whereas before, they had created the sounds that everyone was trying to reproduce. Discipline was a breath of fresh air. While the songwriting isn't quite there, the tracks at least SOUNDED like Janet, even if she did phone it in.