Zinzi said:

lol way to totally not answer my question I asked what being "still married" has to do with her (apparently) taking her clothes off in her videos...which ones by the way?

Single Ladies - leotard
Halo - normal clothes, glamour dress and leotard
Diva - jeans, jacket, top, glamour dress.
Ego - short dress.
Broken Hearted Girl - glamour dress
Sweet Dreams - glamour dresses, metal corset
Video Phone - bikini, weird ass outfits.

Not recalling much clothing removing this era...but anyway, again, so what if she's married?

purplesweat said:

not taking her clothes off within the video
dancing around with not much on
and of course most strippers get ridiculed for being married when they do that sort of thing
and she claims to be religious too
which the church frowns upon so thats another crock of bullshit that comes out of her mouth

Zinzi said:

lol you still haven't told me what being married has to do with her career or the image she projects.

Beyonce is not a stripper just because she is sometimes sexual. When people buy a record they cannot see the artist so saying she only sells because of that is silly.

purplesweat said:

woah look whos subconsciously jumping to conclusions
i didnt say anything about her selling records because of that
not that just having audio on an album would stop someone from
buying an album from someone for being half naked,i they like that persons sexual ways they'll probs buy the album
people buy peoples album just cos they are from the same state as them sometimes,when you can't see the person living in the state when your listening to the music

if shes dancing around in next to nothing to impress other men when she's married,especially a religious woman who is married,technically it matters to her what men irrelevant to her think

and dancing around in next to nothing is what plenty of strippers do,the only difference is she gets more money

and you still seem to ignore the fact SHE ridicules women for doing it

how is saying its wrong to dance around sexually and then going out and doing it not stupid?

I've brought two Beyonce albums and am in no way attracted to or interested in how sexual she is.

I never said the song Nasty Girl wasn't a dumb idea. It was. But there's still a huge difference between Beyonce expressing her sexuality through her songs and a stripper on a pole. Sex is just ONE aspect of Beyonce's image, sex and being sexual is everything to a stripper/prostitute. Please don't compare the two.

Obviously her husband knows this which is why they married after 7 years together.

purplesweat said:

actually most strippers would disagree
its about excersize,socialism,dance routines,strategy and skill

sex is just one of the aspects of that too

but believe me im not putting anyone down who does it, our boy prince did it ALOT in the 80's,and if not was a lot more aggressive with it
but neither did he slag off other men in the 80's or make any songs putting down
men who do it

that was my point in this

He had to meet her to realize she was dumb??


Maybe he's the stupid one, I'm just sayin'....

Zinzi said:

Ok, maybe you should've just said that instead of the marriage comment.

purplesweat said:

nah,i mentioned that and i stick by it

Zinzi said:

Shitty way to think. A married woman cannot be sexual?

purplesweat said:

nope a married woman shouldn't flirt with other men
basic guidelines

Zinzi said:

lawd. Ok, I'll leave you to it. You really should learn about the difference between a person and their career, though. Plenty of actresses who do sex scenes are married.
[Edited 11/18/09 5:08am]

purplesweat said:

if i did that then i'd have to accept the mafia too
it takes a certain person to take a certain career (not that dancing around in next to nothing is anything to do with being a singer)

Zinzi said:

You avoided my actresses statement, I see.

purplesweat said:

yeah alot of actresses don't like doing those scenes
i remember when wonona wouldnt take off her clothes so they digitally removed them

Zinzi said:

Again, avoiding my point.

You cannot define entertainers by how they choose to entertain.

If Jay Z had a problem with Beyonce (apparently) "flirting" with other men, chances are they wouldn't have dated for 7 years before marrying.

purplesweat said:

actually you can define people by how they choose to entertain
if there were people who chose to make racist remarks as comedy
and base thier entertainment on that,you would call that person a racist
and if someone entertains through sexist remarks,homophobic remarks
youd call that person sexist,homophobic

pretty self explainatory

and you using how many years they are together as some sort of justification for love then your baffled,because seriously if you havent heard by now
how many people out there beat the shit out of their wives,abuse children etc etc and they still stay with each other and try to use that as a valid point
then i might just finish the argument here

Zinzi said:

Sexuality is completely different to prejudice. Sex doesn't hurt any body, nor is it a bad thing and sex like Beyonce sells only offends if you really want it to. Anyone offended by Beyonce's sexuality seriously needs to get a life or turn off the TV. She's not aiming to hurt anyone by being sexual, people who deliberately use something they KNOW will get people fired up is potentially destructive. Two ENTIRELY different things.

And yet another orger trying as best they can to not believe two celebrities can actually be happy together as a couple. You're giving them problems and issues before anything has even happened! As usual, once again, this has nothing to do with what I'm saying or what YOU originally said.

johnart said:

I read the whole thread and the title is FUCKIN AWESOME!!!

poop star beyonce

Far be it from me to defend Beyonce's "artistry." I think she (and her parents) have made the most of what she's been given.

But, in her defense, she's a pop entertainer. Because of her entertainment career, she automatically assigns profit potential to geographic regions and nations' markets.

Given the nature of her career-specific decisions, I doubt she's ever taken a college-level history or humanities course that would have exposed her to the origins of peoples, nations and icons.

I'm less embarrassed by her lack of knowledge about something (and, again, the depth of her familiarity with academic topics is largely unknown to us -- despite her image) than I am by Prince rambling on about the Moors and about chemtrails.

Beyonce has LOTS of company. We're a country full of dummies so Ms Knowels is not alone. If you go to other nations and ask people basic questions about what's going on in the world(present or past), for the most part they can give you a pretty well informed answer. Try that here. LMAO! "Duhh.. but I know who's getting eliminated on American Idol and America's Next Top model"

purplesweat said:

where did i say two celebrities cant be together?
stop putting words into my outh over and over again

and im not saying sexuality hurts anyone,im saying adultery does
you cant put morality on hold in the name of making money

if sexuality while in a relationship doesnt hurt anyone then i dont know why you were puttng down strippers and hookers not too long ago
if you had a boyfriend or husband who went out with other womens sexual attraction to them relevant,going out and deiberately dancing around provocatively for them and you say that doesnt bother you
either your a liar or just not bothered about the relationship

I wonder if he can sing?

Zinzi said:

You said people can SEEM happy but have issues, which is entirely irrelevant and just you attempting to go off topic again and try to win.

BEYONCE IS NOT CHEATING ON HER HUSBAND IF SHE IS SEXUAL IN A MUSIC VIDEO.

I didn't put strippers down, I just said their ENTIRE career is based on sex and men wanting to see women being sexual on a phallic shaped object. There's also lap dances and prostitution. Yep, I'd have a problem if my boyfriend paid strippers. I would NOT have a problem with him watching a sexy Beyonce video, seriously, are you the most sensitive person alive?

purplesweat said:

'people seem happy but have issues'
where did i write that? going off topic or you?
and you did put strippers down by saying 'dont compare beyonce to a stripper'

you only use comnparison in that light if you think one is lower
and as i said before,stripping isnt just about sex
she's more because she sings while she does it?
haha loads of strippers sing whilst they do it too,they just dont get paid for it

i dont care what you type in caps,in a way to shout your opinion mr o' reily

but it is cheating,and if shes into the bible which she claims,shed know its lust and vain

you wouldnt mind your boyfriend watching a video cos hes already in a relationship, you would mind him getting turned on by it though

and that wasnt my statement anyway,i said you wouldnt want HIM trying to provoke
other women for money and sexual attention

the other main reason why she sells records is because of the catchy music
and seeing as shes not the musician the credit cant be payed to her

britney spears has sold shit loads and i hope we both agree that she is an epically shit singer
and if you dont think those record sales didnt shoot right up because of the catchy music jingles and dancing around in a schoogirl outfit then thats hilarious

bboy87 said:

Zinzi said:

When I said Bey and Jay have been together for 7 yrs, you said so what plenty of people who have been together for ages have issues. Whatever that had to do with anything...

Beyonce is a singer first. That's what she trained to be since she was ten and it's what she does best. It's her TALENT. That's why I buy her records - her VOICE.

I could care less if he got turned on by Beyonce, she's HOT. I drool over Pharrell just as much, where are you saying men should follow the bible too? You're just lucky Prince beat you to it before you could criticise him or does he get a free pass?

She may not be the musician but she's the vocalist.

No, I don't agree Britney is a shit singer at all, only people who hardly hear her music (or only listen to her singles) think that. She's not strong, but she's not shit, either.

Once again, dancing in a school girl outfit had no effect on me. I liked the song. Shocking, I know.

purplesweat said:

haha im not religious, i was saying SHES religious so why is she doing it
and i mentioned those other peoples relationships because you were trying to say somethings a good relationship because of the years theyve been together
and if you dont care if your boyfriend is attracted to other women then that just shows you dont care about your relationship
sexual attraction is the biological cornerstone of why people even start the relationships in the first place,and if hes not fulfilled by you
then hes not fulfilled in the relationship
if its ok to be sexualy attracted to women then why would you get pissed off
at your boyfriend for going to a stripclub? do you have a brain problem or something,you keep paradoxing your self
and yes shes the vocalist but its an utterly expendable voice,so many people sound like her and its the music that gives the song the significance

and ive got britney spears blackout album and a few others,so you trying to base it on me not listening to the music is stupid and prejudice
i bought it because of the music on there
and if britneys not a shit singer then she wouldnt need to have her voice doctored into a voice enhancing machine
and hardly ever sings live
ad im not saying whether the school outfit had an effect on you,im saying that video and the others were the reason they bought it,plus obviosuly a few little kids who like the cheesiness of the early music work

im not going to bother arguing with you anymore
because its obvious you have a twisted mind on the subjects of relationships,so dont bother posting back.

Zinzi said:

1. I never said you were religious.

2. I never said they had a good relationship I said OBVIOUSLY he doesn't mind.

3. I don't care if he's attracted because she's MARRIED and on tv. If it was some chick in the club dancing on him then yes, obviously, I'd have issues. But a celebrity on TV who he'll never meet? Come on.

4. He goes to a strip club and a stripper dances on and for him THEN I have an issue because she's right there in front of him offering it all up. Beyonce is dancing sexy and MAYBE removing some clothes, while still being married off screen. She is NOT readily available and is NOT specifically targeting my man. If the song is sexy, it'll look pretty stupid if she doesn't match it with her actions or clothing. Do you think Prince shouldn't have worn buttless pants at the VMAs incase it seduced anyone watching? We all know he has been religious since the beginning. In "Lets Pretend We're Married" he says "I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" before saying "I'm in love with God".

5. If you have some of Britney's albums, you wouldn't think she was shit. Have you even heard Everytime or Let Go? Britney's voice is hardly doctored except for the usual cleaning up that happens for every song released these days. You say you own Blackout, go on youtube and look up the demos, they all leaked and it proves her voice is barely doctored.

6. The video is NOT the reason I bought the album. I liked it and I still like some of the tracks today.