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Reply #30 posted 10/31/09 7:54pm

LightOfArt

Frank Farian is also responsible for another similar, but better and more successful stunt, also known as Boney M.
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Reply #31 posted 10/31/09 7:54pm

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I remember people were really upset about the whole thing. I didn't get it. I didn't ruin my tape (before CD's) because I liked the music regardless.
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Reply #32 posted 10/31/09 8:01pm

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they were so popular, they definitely could have kept going... at least until nirvana came and cleansed the hair bands and MV's brand of pop.

the girls in my high school thought these guys were so hot.

i have to admit that i really like some of the songs, especially GYNIT.

but.. COME ON!
they could barely form a sentence, their accents were so strong.. there is no way they were singing that!
they deserved an oscar for that!
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Reply #33 posted 10/31/09 8:02pm

Timmy84

itsjustaroundthecorner said:

they were so popular, they definitely could have kept going... at least until nirvana came and cleansed the hair bands and MV's brand of pop.

the girls in my high school thought these guys were so hot.

i have to admit that i really like some of the songs, especially GYNIT.

but.. COME ON!
they could barely form a sentence, their accents were so strong.. there is no way they were singing that!
they deserved an oscar for that!


They said the same thing, lol
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Reply #34 posted 10/31/09 8:10pm

ernestsewell

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ernestsewell said:


The voices didn't fit their faces, and didn't fit their speaking voice either.


Im not trying to argue with you, just curious because I find this very interesting. How does a voice "fit a face"? Can you give me an example of someone? Does Stevie Wonder's voice fit his face?

Nah, no arguing taken.

It's like Rick Astley. That voice, and his face.....doesn't match (still doesn't). Flag #1.

Michel'le, same thing. Her speaking voice was TOTALLY off, and sounded like she was sucking helium 24/7.

Also remember that their speaking voices had accents. German, etc. Even though foreign singers often sing like an American, their accents were SO thick, yet their singing was VERY American. Flag #2.
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Reply #35 posted 10/31/09 8:14pm

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Who the hell is Boney M?
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #36 posted 10/31/09 8:16pm

Timmy84

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Who the hell is Boney M?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boney_M
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Reply #37 posted 10/31/09 8:18pm

LightOfArt

scriptgirl said:

Who the hell is Boney M?


you MUST know atleast this tune


I don't think they were that popular in the States. But pretty big in Europe
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Reply #38 posted 10/31/09 8:20pm

LightOfArt

^^a little footnote:
Gaga's Poker Face samples Ma Baker by Boney M. wink
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Reply #39 posted 10/31/09 8:21pm

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Who the hell is Boney M?


They may have done nothing in the US but they have 2 of the biggest selling singles in UK history "Rivers of Babylon" and "Mary's Boy Child". Basically late '70s pop.
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Reply #40 posted 10/31/09 8:24pm

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Let me just say, I love reading all these awesome responses.

As for me, I would hope they could have lasted a few more albums.
I always figured if Frank Farian wanted to, he could have blended the voices.
Like had Rob sing behind Brad Howell (the male vocalist) and have Fabrice
rap/sing behind Johnny Davis (the other male vocalist) and just kind of
gradually album by album transition the original singers out less and less,
and just call it "experimenting with new sounds and styles." Just a thought.

Second of all, my biggest hang-up was, this music is still damn good. Even
the non-singles, "More Than You'll Ever Know" and especially "Take It As It
Comes." (That second song, it cheered me up when I was an awkward, overweight,
zit ridden, out of shape, 13 year old. (Man those early teenager
years sure were a bitch!) I'd often worry about a lot of things
back then that weren't a big deal. Don't most teenagers? Anyway,
the lyrics,from that song, "Sometimes it's easy to worry.
When there's nothing to worry about. Take it as it comes, girl.
Yeah, we'll make it through no doubt. It'll all come around." and
"Seems like the world's always changing. Gotta learn how to take it
all in your stride." I fallinluv those lyrics and the real singers' performance of that song. Not to sound dramatic but those songs
helped me through a rough time of my youth, so they will
always hold a special place in my heart. To this day, I can't understood
why the music had to get "punished" just because of the scam.
Okay, so they didn't sing? Play the songs on the radio,
re-release the music with the real singers on the cover.
That music was still awesome in my book either way..no matter what.

Oh yeah, and while were on the subject, Milli Vanilli's version of
"It's Your Thing" is my favorite version of that song, EVER. boxed
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Reply #41 posted 10/31/09 8:40pm

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Vanilli said:

Let me just say, I love reading all these awesome responses.

As for me, I would hope they could have lasted a few more albums.
I always figured if Frank Farian wanted to, he could have blended the voices.
Like had Rob sing behind Brad Howell (the male vocalist) and have Fabrice
rap/sing behind Johnny Davis (the other male vocalist) and just kind of
gradually album by album transition the original singers out less and less,
and just call it "experimenting with new sounds and styles." Just a thought.

Second of all, my biggest hang-up was, this music is still damn good. Even
the non-singles, "More Than You'll Ever Know" and especially "Take It As It
Comes." (That second song, it cheered me up when I was an awkward, overweight,
zit ridden, out of shape, 13 year old. (Man those early teenager
years sure were a bitch!) I'd often worry about a lot of things
back then that weren't a big deal. Don't most teenagers? Anyway,
the lyrics,from that song, "Sometimes it's easy to worry.
When there's nothing to worry about. Take it as it comes, girl.
Yeah, we'll make it through no doubt. It'll all come around." and
"Seems like the world's always changing. Gotta learn how to take it
all in your stride." I fallinluv those lyrics and the real singers' performance of that song. Not to sound dramatic but those songs
helped me through a rough time of my youth, so they will
always hold a special place in my heart. To this day, I can't understood
why the music had to get "punished" just because of the scam.
Okay, so they didn't sing? Play the songs on the radio,
re-release the music with the real singers on the cover.
That music was still awesome in my book either way..no matter what.

Oh yeah, and while were on the subject, Milli Vanilli's version of
"It's Your Thing" is my favorite version of that song, EVER. boxed
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Yeah i have to echo the argument that so many said back then. You bought the music because you liked the songs, not because of what they looked like, that whole BULLSHIT of letting people return the record, was the biggest pussy move by a label ever! I mean this should have been a foreshadowing of the future we would have as a public where we think we can just get our money back over stupid nonsense like this that is meaningless at the end of the day

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #42 posted 10/31/09 8:42pm

japanrocks

All I remember was how bad this Arsenio performance was, and how Rob acted at the end of the performance. He sang but the backup singer's voice was louder so you could not really tell he was singing. Fab was not bad. At the end, which is not in this clip, Rob acted as if they had finally made it on their own and he cried on national television as fans hugged him on stage.

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Reply #43 posted 10/31/09 8:54pm

Vanilli

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japanrocks said:

All I remember was how bad this Arsenio performance was, and how Rob acted at the end of the performance. He sang but the backup singer's voice was louder so you could not really tell he was singing. Fab was not bad. At the end, which is not in this clip, Rob acted as if they had finally made it on their own and he cried on national television as fans hugged him on stage.



Yeah, I agree with you that performance wasn't nothing compared to the talent the real singers behind Milli Vanilli had.

As for Rob's attitude, I can defend that a little, simply because, to perform was always his dream and this was probably one of the few times, he was able to do it, to such a wide audience and receive love back for it. biggrin
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Reply #44 posted 10/31/09 9:26pm

ernestsewell

There's a Prince and MV connection I forgot about until I cued up some of their music earlier.

On the Remix album, on "Girl You Know It's True", about 1:35 into the song, you suddenly hear people laughing. It's The Time laughing at the end of "Onedayi'mgonnabesomebody". You can clearly hear Prince in there.

None Prince note: There's a 2nd, unreleased album, that is floating around out there, for those interested.
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Reply #45 posted 11/01/09 1:17am

japanrocks

ernestsewell said:

There's a Prince and MV connection I forgot about until I cued up some of their music earlier.

On the Remix album, on "Girl You Know It's True", about 1:35 into the song, you suddenly hear people laughing. It's The Time laughing at the end of "Onedayi'mgonnabesomebody". You can clearly hear Prince in there.

None Prince note: There's a 2nd, unreleased album, that is floating around out there, for those interested.


yep....it is listed on the credits too on the back of the 12 inch sleeve
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Reply #46 posted 11/01/09 3:39am

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yeah a lot went down back then but still good shit.
WTF
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Reply #47 posted 11/01/09 5:11am

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This was a big deal back in the day. If I remember correctly, Sting (of Police fame) was a supporter of theirs stating they should not have to give back their Grammy Awards due to the whole thing. The Behind the Music showed how these guys became pariahs in the industry and no one would touch these guys again. It is a shame, but the pop music world was far different back then.

To elaborate on this point, anyone remember the Ashley Simpson SNL fiasco from a few years back? It was essentially Milli Vanilli part 2 (pre-recorded vocals not in sync with live performance), but by then the public was so jaded and used to lip syncers that the storm eventually blew over.
"Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish."
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Reply #48 posted 11/01/09 6:57am

japanrocks

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

This was a big deal back in the day. If I remember correctly, Sting (of Police fame) was a supporter of theirs stating they should not have to give back their Grammy Awards due to the whole thing. The Behind the Music showed how these guys became pariahs in the industry and no one would touch these guys again. It is a shame, but the pop music world was far different back then.

To elaborate on this point, anyone remember the Ashley Simpson SNL fiasco from a few years back? It was essentially Milli Vanilli part 2 (pre-recorded vocals not in sync with live performance), but by then the public was so jaded and used to lip syncers that the storm eventually blew over.


meh....if they had an ounce of talent, someone would have noticed and tried to produce them but they pretty much sucked
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Reply #49 posted 11/01/09 7:21am

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scriptgirl said:

Who the hell is Boney M?


He was the guy who was upset that The Fat Boys broke up in Boomerang..oh wait that was Boney T...nevermind.
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Reply #50 posted 11/01/09 7:22am

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Vanilli said:

Milli Vanilli's version of
"It's Your Thing" is my favorite version of that song, EVER. boxed



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Reply #51 posted 11/01/09 11:28am

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8 years?

I think 1998 one of the gays, er, guys killed himself.
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Reply #52 posted 11/01/09 7:07pm

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ernestsewell said:

daPrettyman said:

Does anyone know why the scandal broke? Was it because the producers wanted notoriety? Did Rob and Fab get big heads and pissed the wrong people off?

Do you remember that MTV tour video? Julie Brown talked about it a lot. She was there. They were performing and the tape got stuck on "Girl you know it's.....girl you know it's.....girl you know it's....." Rob ran off stage, and Julie Brown pushed him back out there. That was the first hint that something was off, and very wrong. When Farian was interviewed at the end of the next year, that's when he finally confessed about it. During the summer of 1989 and the winter of 1990 (Farian's confession), that's when comics started to take huge jabs at them. In Living Color's Wayans brothers used to put mops on their head and mock them in skits. Rob said when he saw that, it's when he knew the end was coming for them.

After that MTV incident, Rob and Fab asked Farian to sing on the next album, so they could keep any credibility they had. It never happened, and Farian confessed finally.

Oddly, I don't remember many fans questioning the MTV performance. No one in the audience seemed to care. It was the critics who sniffed it out.

Although the narrator is in a different language, herein lies the infamous performance. This is from Behind The Music. It's what set the wheels of distrust in motion.


I remember the MTV video. I didn't cee the interview you posted, but I remember the tape skipped. I don't get why someone didn't just say that they were sick and were fulfilling a contract (like Ashley Simpson). I still think someone got pissed and the story went out of control.
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Reply #53 posted 11/01/09 7:22pm

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lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:



I notice that too with C&C. After the squabble with Martha Wash, they fell out.


They were still sought after in the early 90's by people in needing remixes. I have always heard a rumour that on The Cover Girls "Funk Boutique" which was done very early 1989-90 when it was first demo'd, that they were using vocals of a member that left, and on a version released to avoid it being known he sped up the vocals. Evelyn Escalara who joined in 1990 had to quickly be rushed into the studio to over-do the vocals because she was being used as the new singer.

To be fair, C&C were still sought after, but the Music Factory was pretty much dead. Thanks to their work with Mariah and others, they were very relevant until David died.

I loved them. .
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Reply #54 posted 11/01/09 7:26pm

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graecophilos said:

8 years?

I think 1998 one of the gays, er, guys killed himself.

Rob is the one who committed suicide.

From Wiki
In the years following the demise of Milli Vanilli, Pilatus struggled with substance abuse and suicide attempts. After the duo's unsuccessful comeback attempt, they stopped speaking to each other. In 1996, Pilatus served three months in jail for assault, vandalism, and attempted robbery. He also spent six months in drug rehabilitation, before returning to Germany from the United States.[10]

On April 2, 1998, Pilatus was found dead of a suspected alcohol and prescription pill overdose in a Frankfurt hotel room.[10][1] Pilatus' death was ruled accidental.[11]
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Reply #55 posted 11/01/09 8:18pm

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Oh yeah, that was one heck of a scandal back then.
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Reply #56 posted 11/02/09 1:47am

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funny, it was a German project. Since then, only Tokio Hotel came into their sphere.
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Reply #57 posted 11/02/09 6:57am

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The worst thing that came of it, is everyone got on that dull ass "Unplugged" accoustical kick and stripped off all their instruments to prove that they could sing. Hell, you can prove that you can sing by performing the songs with all the instruments but just have the band play the song slightly different so that people can see you aren't lip syncing to the record. But don't strip everything off and make the songs sound like Roy Clark and Buck Owens on "Hee Haw" just to prove that you can sing. Hell, we went from a decade of excess (which is how I do everything in excess) to a decade where people were satisfied with "the simple things in life" (how dull). lol
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Reply #58 posted 11/02/09 7:04am

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vainandy said:

The worst thing that came of it, is everyone got on that dull ass "Unplugged" accoustical kick and stripped off all their instruments to prove that they could sing. Hell, you can prove that you can sing by performing the songs with all the instruments but just have the band play the song slightly different so that people can see you aren't lip syncing to the record. But don't strip everything off and make the songs sound like Roy Clark and Buck Owens on "Hee Haw" just to prove that you can sing. Hell, we went from a decade of excess (which is how I do everything in excess) to a decade where people were satisfied with "the simple things in life" (how dull). lol


you're my favourite orger lol and I'd like to "date" you lol
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Reply #59 posted 11/02/09 7:12am

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LightOfArt said:

vainandy said:

The worst thing that came of it, is everyone got on that dull ass "Unplugged" accoustical kick and stripped off all their instruments to prove that they could sing. Hell, you can prove that you can sing by performing the songs with all the instruments but just have the band play the song slightly different so that people can see you aren't lip syncing to the record. But don't strip everything off and make the songs sound like Roy Clark and Buck Owens on "Hee Haw" just to prove that you can sing. Hell, we went from a decade of excess (which is how I do everything in excess) to a decade where people were satisfied with "the simple things in life" (how dull). lol


you're my favourite orger lol and I'd like to "date" you lol


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