Rorywan said:

record it then upload it!

Rorywan said:

u r a holier than thou mj fan...that thinks he's right everything. Maybe if you weren't so self righteous and critizing/name calling anyone who disagrees with u, then maybe you wouldn't have these "gangs" ganging up on u.

bboy87 said:

It was great!, he introduced it, his own private clips. The clips included his rehearsal with dancers for the bad video, amazing! and his trip to a supermarket with a trolley and his friends in disguise. Part 3 of it is on tomorrow.

I have recorded it from Sky, god only knows how I would upload it from a Sky+ box!

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

You know you just don't make any sense. Maybe english isn't your first language and you don't understand what has been written on this thread. If so, nevermind.
I'm sure you will get the gist of this public forum thing soon. Anyone who goes and reads my posts and then reads yours can form a clear opinion themselves.
So..
..bye bye now, ta ta.

Go bother someone who wants to listen to your hyperbole.
Not me.

Rorywan said:

ummm maybe I was abbreviating the words, genius! Anyone is a troll to you who disagrees with you. being self righteous is not a good look, bro.

Stranger In Moscow will be on the DVD of TII. Lookie!!!

http://www.examiner.com/x...VD-details

Judging on the fragments i have seen:

His dancing was wooden / far from sharp, it did look awkward / clumsily in the first place (too slow, tiresome).
Dont bore me with remarks like: he is 50 yo, give me a break. When you want to present yourself as a great dancer (like MJ seems to be), dont start with things you can't cope with it.

His singing was mostly prerecorded again (way more then the MJ-fams here seem to admit), look at his lips, and use your common sense.

It was the same old tiresome fireworks, videoscreens, team of dancers, going for some so called 'spectacular' show. Empty, plastic shit, soulless. BIGGER isnt automatically better.

It seems many people here fall for easy, superficial sentiments, they seem so obsessed with MJ, their plastic childhood hero, to the point they are making a fool of themselves.

Riverpoet31 said:

Why don't you watch the whole thing before you judge? Its easy to make up that stuff based on short snippets. Thats why no one will 'admit' what you claim. Because its actually not true, for we have actually seen it.

You wish what you say is the truth therefore I bet you will refuse to watch the whole thing in its entirety just so you can go on pretending like your right.

Arnotts,

I simply dont feel the need to see more of the movie, based on the snippets I have seeen.

Music for me isnt in the first place about dance teams, pyrotechnics, videoscreens and other superficial shit.

The snippets I have seen dont convince me to me change my view on MJ: all superficial showbizz, no substance and soul.

Riverpoet31 said:

When you say the "fragments" you saw, did you actually see the entire movie? What show were you watching? I have seen this movie twice, Sunday and lastnight and did not see what you saw.

Riverpoet31 said:

Thats what I mean. You dont want to change your opinion. You love the fact that you can sprout how 'horrible' and 'fake' it is. And its a fact that you wouldnt be able to do that if you saw the whole movie, as he does sing most of it live, some without even any music, his dancing was as good as it was from the dangerous tour, which is still not his best, but its better then the Invincible era. I wasnt impressed by the snippets either. How can you except two mintues of footage to tell the whole story?
[Edited 11/3/09 14:54pm]

shorttrini said:

Exactly what I'm saying. He already admitted he hasnt seen the movie yet. But he is a well known hater, so I don't even know why I bothered, watch as he continues on with the same crap no matter what anyone says.

Your view might have been 'influenced' by what you wanted to see.

I read people here say: his dancing was still plendid, his singing was still great.

Really, i am questioning what 'glasses' you were wearing when you looked at his dancing: but from the snippets I have seen, i noticed his movements were wooden / awkward / not energetic at all, I dont need to see some entire plastic movie to see more of that.

In those snippets i saw MJ was lypsynching again, while the music was prerecorded.

I dont need to see an entire movie, to get more irritated.

When some snippets of 'This is it' allready show that MJ is some superficial, lazy, plastic act, why should i watch the entire movie then? Its simply not my idea of music and artistry.

Riverpoet31 said:

then why don't you get your self righteous bitter prince fanbot ass out of this thread then?

Riverpoet31 said:

Well, and a Michael Jackson show is so much more than just music... if you can't appreciate / don't care for anything else than just the music, well, then that's your loss! But just because you don't care for it doesn't diminish it's value altogether! There are thousands and thousands of people who care for it!

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

what makes u think it's ok to speak to people like that? Jesus man u have "issues"
Who the hell do u think u are telling people to get out of this thread?

Riverpoet31 said:

1、Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'- LIVE
2、Speechless -LIVE
3、Jam -lipsynched
4、Bad/Drill/They Don't Care About Us- Lipsynched
5、Human Nature -LIVE
6、Smooth Criminal -LIVE
7、The Way You Make Me Feel -not sure
8、Jackson 5 Medley- LIVE
9、I Just Can't Stop Loving You -LIVE
10、Thriller/Threatened- Lipsynched
11、Beat It- LIVE.
12、Black or White-LIVE
13、Earth Song-prerecorded vocals with Michael singing over them
14、Billie Jean- demo vocal track, with Live adlibs
15、Man in the Mirror-Lipsynched
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I went and saw it last night. I thought it was really good, and showed that he still had all the moves. I could not believe there were only about 15-20 people in the theater.

Riverpoet31 said:

Too bad you didn't see the movie before passing judgement!

Even if you don't like Michael Jackson's music, you should acknowledge his talent as an artist. The movie was not superificial,lazy or plastic, it was just the opposite. It showed a man passionate about his work and explored the creative process. Even with Michael's "problems" his genius was on display.

Michael popularized "urban dance styles" in the 70's and took them to the mainstream. He took the robot,popping,locking and the backslide(moonwalk) worldwide! His urban dance style was on full display in this movie- not plastic at all. He has been working since age 5- Its laughable to call this man lazy!! That was a joke, right?

Come on! Give Mike the credit he deserves!

bboy87 said:

Pretty sure MITM and Jam were live, too. The beginning of TWYMMF was definitely live.

purplesweat said:

nah, Man In The Mirror was lipsynched. They weren't really rehearsing that one, though, just doing a run through for the band and the backup vocalists

the adlibs of Jam were live I think

bboy87 said:

I was like awwwww and a lil teary eyed when he sang that especially at the end when he named his family - I did wonder why he didn't say his kids' names though but hey, this was just practice!

Angelic1302 said:

I love this! I'm really angry at the theatre association or whoever the hell it was that gave Sony trouble about wanting it out by the holidays. This DVD would have been perfect to watch with the family, or even alone, for some comfort and extra Holiday smiles, but NOOOO. Greedy money always wins out. Fuck the consumers yet again. I know others have bitched about this, but add me to the list. I want this DVD by December but NOOO.

Oh well.

Angelic1302 said:

Maybe it was because, "I'll be there", was a song that he sang with his brothers, it has a special meaning for them. It took on a special meaning after Jermaine left Motown.

Angelic1302 said:

why would he name his kids,the weren't part of the group. he always only names his brothers but this time he just included is parents also. soon people will say why didn't he include his sister and his nephews and cousins and etc

STEVEN IVORY: Truly, Michael Jackson was It

November 3, 2009


*You don't have to be a Michael Jackson fan to enjoy “This Is It,” the Sony documentary chronicling rehearsals for Jackson's infamous 2009 London shows that never happened.

To like this film, you don't need to have considered Jackson a misunderstood saint. You don't even have to dig his music.

You only have to appreciate witnessing someone already at the pinnacle of his game strive to be better. You have to possess a voyeur's curiosity as to how things work, and be utterly intrigued with the spooky notion of a person so focused on their artistry that they literally become it.

It's long been established that Michael Jackson was arguably one of the greatest entertainers of all time. "This Is It" illustrates just what a ridiculously magnificent talent the man was.

That illustration, despite what critics rave of the film, doesn't come from watching Jackson direct his rehearsals. Every serious musician, whether leading a small town church choir or putting a lounge trio through its paces, knows that rehearsal is about being clear on what you want from your players and respectfully requesting it.

While Jackson does that, in the film the point of his baddness is made simply by watching him move. Because, in observing him dance--especially in rehearsal and not full-on, when you get to observe the delicate mechanics of his brilliance--you realize that while you were busy living your life, Jackson was perfecting his wildly intuitive skills as a performer.

While you were going through your divorce, even as monstrous sales figures of “Thriller” solidified his place in pop music history, Jackson was spending most Sunday afternoons at home dancing before a mirror to exhaustion (this is the truth), trying to conjure something new. While you were busy flip-flopping about things, MJ was breaking the glass ceiling of his physical and funky limitations. His was a greatness borne out of a work ethic so dynamic and single-minded that the results seem abnormal. The idea that other aspects of his life were said to be such a mess make Jackson's onstage mastery all the more startling.

And at the same time, while watching "This Is It," you realize that no one becomes the mighty entertainer Jackson was by even the most diligent practice sessions. The man was the recipient of a gift. A gift he came to nurture relentlessly at the expense of nearly all else in his life.

If you haven't seen the documentary, here's some advice in viewing it: don't look away. Even the most informed Jackson devotee thinks they are mesmerized simply by the man's trademark gestures--the kicks, spins and moonwalk emulated by a multitude of Jackson impersonators--when they are actually seduced by Jackson's entrancing subtlety.

It's the instinctive physical attitude and sexy rhythm that occurs in the nanosecond when Jackson's body is on its way from one show-stopping move to the next; the stuff you'll miss if you blink (or as I did during “This Is It,” try to take notes). Indeed, it is his funky subtlety that turns impassioned, joyful, physical expression into sheer magic, and during “This Is It,” many of the film's best moments are Jackson's sublime subtlety--the kind of groovy mini moves that had Jackson fans taping his televised performances over the years so they could relish the man's swaggering mettle over and again.

The truth is that it was Jackson's ingenuity as an entertainer--his verve as a dancer, his stylistic vocals that peerlessly homogenized pop and soul interpretations--that ultimately made anyone care about what went on in his personal life.

Consider that Jackson's beyond-eccentric public persona would have overwhelmed the formidable careers of lesser lights long ago. His abstruse, seductive dazzle as one of the greatest showmen of modern time was and continues to be the primary reason for the world's fascination, worship and when required, sympathy for Michael Jackson. We only gaped in wonder at Jackson's complex private life, often ignoring and/or forgiving what we might find, in hope that something--anything--would help shed any measure of light on how a man can do what Jackson did on a stage with such soulful agility, fury and grace. “This Is It” is as close to an answer as we're going to get.

It is fitting that a film about the live pop music performance would be the last thing Jackson left us, in an era when the true art of singing, dancing and musicianship is all but folklore. “This Is It” is required viewing for anyone who (A) wants to be in show business or B is already in show business. Even if you make your living behind the scenes--as an entertainment executive, manager or attorney--see this film to remind you (or introduce you to the concept) that there is no substitute for absolute and unyielding talent. Posers, fakers and that hideous Auto Voice be damned.

By the way, after viewing “This Is It"--seeing and hearing all the truly skilled musicians, singers and dancers--the likes of Lil' Wayne should never again want to go onstage holding a guitar unless they can actually play the thing. Stop disrespecting the guitar by wearing it as a fashion accessory. Either dedicate yourself to the task of seriously learning to play or cease your molestation of the instrument.

In fact, that--truly getting ones Ish together--is the main thing I took away from “This Is It.” Matters not what you do or pursue in this life. After witnessing Jackson's dizzying onscreen craftsmanship and indefatigable dedication to his thing, if you aren't left with the irrepressible desire to step up your own game, then you missed MJ's most dynamic move ever.