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PrintableI thought MJ looked much better in the movie then 2001 Madison Square Garden concert and that was 8 years ago. To me it's a big difference.
Even the Billie Jean performance was better and he brought that new pop lock move and pretending to apply makeup.That was tight. 2001 performance was the same ole same ole. Nothing new. | |
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purplesweat said: Superstition said: What do you guys mean when you say twitching? Because I'm like 99% sure I saw no twitching, like, say an old man or lady has when they're 80 and they're hands shake or someone with a stroke who's face twitches. Are you talking about his crazy hand movements and dance moves or what?
I mean, I'm certainly not telling anyone what they did or didn't see, but I can't help but wonder if there's some placebo effect going on here knowing the circumstances of his death. It's hard to explain. He was jittery in the sense that you didn't quite know if he was going to lash out or not. Like in WBSS, he starts doing that slapping move randomly (like when you put your hand in front of you and make a slapping motion, often used to signify sex) then keeps getting faster and faster. It was odd and I've never seen Mike do a move like that before. It was mainly always with the orange pants, he just seemed all over the place and unpredictable like he was high or something... In TWYMMF, he did some silly walk, like even in rehearsals I've still never seen him do that or act that way. I found this website last night: http://www.the-michael-ja...om/02.html It's basically every article ever written about him. Two of the article in this section, made before he died, say he was using lookalikes. Maybe when he's wearing orange pants it's actually an impersonator? I saw teleprompters, as well.  yeah i saw it. just fooling around, i see. I felt that michael was nervous in the beginning then as time went on he seemed to become more confident. michael hasn't toured in 12 years plus he had a huge scandal that almost ruined and finished his career.....probably has lost a lot of confidence in his performing due to that. he was also 50 years old and suffering from arthitis. these were rehearshals. I think you guys are reading way too much into this. | |
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BabyBeMine said: I thought MJ looked much better in the movie then 2001 Madison Square Garden concert and that was 8 years ago. To me it's a big difference.
Even the Billie Jean performance was better and he brought that new pop lock move and pretending to apply makeup.That was tight. 2001 performance was the same ole same ole. Nothing new.  | |
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purplesweat said: Superstition said: What do you guys mean when you say twitching? Because I'm like 99% sure I saw no twitching, like, say an old man or lady has when they're 80 and they're hands shake or someone with a stroke who's face twitches. Are you talking about his crazy hand movements and dance moves or what?
I mean, I'm certainly not telling anyone what they did or didn't see, but I can't help but wonder if there's some placebo effect going on here knowing the circumstances of his death. It's hard to explain. He was jittery in the sense that you didn't quite know if he was going to lash out or not. Like in WBSS, he starts doing that slapping move randomly (like when you put your hand in front of you and make a slapping motion, often used to signify sex) then keeps getting faster and faster. It was odd and I've never seen Mike do a move like that before. It was mainly always with the orange pants, he just seemed all over the place and unpredictable like he was high or something... In TWYMMF, he did some silly walk, like even in rehearsals I've still never seen him do that or act that way. I found this website last night: http://www.the-michael-ja...om/02.html It's basically every article ever written about him. Two of the article in this section, made before he died, say he was using lookalikes. Maybe when he's wearing orange pants it's actually an impersonator? I saw teleprompters, as well. That's my buddy's website  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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purplesweat said: Superstition said: What do you guys mean when you say twitching? Because I'm like 99% sure I saw no twitching, like, say an old man or lady has when they're 80 and they're hands shake or someone with a stroke who's face twitches. Are you talking about his crazy hand movements and dance moves or what?
I mean, I'm certainly not telling anyone what they did or didn't see, but I can't help but wonder if there's some placebo effect going on here knowing the circumstances of his death. It's hard to explain. He was jittery in the sense that you didn't quite know if he was going to lash out or not. Like in WBSS, he starts doing that slapping move randomly (like when you put your hand in front of you and make a slapping motion, often used to signify sex) then keeps getting faster and faster. It was odd and I've never seen Mike do a move like that before. It was mainly always with the orange pants, he just seemed all over the place and unpredictable like he was high or something... In TWYMMF, he did some silly walk, like even in rehearsals I've still never seen him do that or act that way. I found this website last night: http://www.the-michael-ja...om/02.html It's basically every article ever written about him. Two of the article in this section, made before he died, say he was using lookalikes. Maybe when he's wearing orange pants it's actually an impersonator? I saw teleprompters, as well. I thought it was just being goofy,messing around,and being a little relaxed during the rehearsals.  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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purplesweat said: Superstition said: What do you guys mean when you say twitching? Because I'm like 99% sure I saw no twitching, like, say an old man or lady has when they're 80 and they're hands shake or someone with a stroke who's face twitches. Are you talking about his crazy hand movements and dance moves or what?
I mean, I'm certainly not telling anyone what they did or didn't see, but I can't help but wonder if there's some placebo effect going on here knowing the circumstances of his death. It's hard to explain. He was jittery in the sense that you didn't quite know if he was going to lash out or not. Like in WBSS, he starts doing that slapping move randomly (like when you put your hand in front of you and make a slapping motion, often used to signify sex) then keeps getting faster and faster. It was odd and I've never seen Mike do a move like that before. It was mainly always with the orange pants, he just seemed all over the place and unpredictable like he was high or something... In TWYMMF, he did some silly walk, like even in rehearsals I've still never seen him do that or act that way. See, I thought he was incredibly focused on all those parts you mentioned, I thought they were great. Little quirks that he has are what make him so unique, the little moves he does that nobody else does. Like right before the heave drums kick in on Earth Song (But now I don't know where we are, although I know we're drifting far!) and he moves his arms and hands to the drum beat.... To me, when he's being sporadic and doing crazy moves, that's when I think he's at his best and his most normal. He's always said he just lets the music do whatever. I mean, it's all perception, I'm not saying you're right or wrong or that I'm right or wrong of course, but MJ has never really been the same at each tour/show. He's always a little different as the years go by. As for the impersonator though, that's a bunch of crap. Nobody moved like Michael Jackson. | |
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purplesweat said: EmeraldSkies said: Same here. "You gotta let it simmer" he meant there has to be a pause there. It all sounded pretty understandable to me what he was trying to let them know he wanted or had a problem with.
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Superstition said: purplesweat said: It's hard to explain. He was jittery in the sense that you didn't quite know if he was going to lash out or not. Like in WBSS, he starts doing that slapping move randomly (like when you put your hand in front of you and make a slapping motion, often used to signify sex) then keeps getting faster and faster. It was odd and I've never seen Mike do a move like that before. It was mainly always with the orange pants, he just seemed all over the place and unpredictable like he was high or something... In TWYMMF, he did some silly walk, like even in rehearsals I've still never seen him do that or act that way. See, I thought he was incredibly focused on all those parts you mentioned, I thought they were great. Little quirks that he has are what make him so unique, the little moves he does that nobody else does. Like right before the heave drums kick in on Earth Song (But now I don't know where we are, although I know we're drifting far!) and he moves his arms and hands to the drum beat.... To me, when he's being sporadic and doing crazy moves, that's when I think he's at his best and his most normal. He's always said he just lets the music do whatever. I mean, it's all perception, I'm not saying you're right or wrong or that I'm right or wrong of course, but MJ has never really been the same at each tour/show. He's always a little different as the years go by. As for the impersonator though, that's a bunch of crap. Nobody moved like Michael Jackson. Ya sure? 
And just for reference: Human Nature Rehearsal Dangerous Tour Human Nature Rehearsal This Is It To me, there's a big difference, and I don't mean in terms of age or playfulness. Anyway, dude died suddenly and without warning and barely an explanation, of course ppl are gonna over analyze. [Edited 11/2/09 23:09pm] | |
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purplesweat said: Superstition said: See, I thought he was incredibly focused on all those parts you mentioned, I thought they were great. Little quirks that he has are what make him so unique, the little moves he does that nobody else does. Like right before the heave drums kick in on Earth Song (But now I don't know where we are, although I know we're drifting far!) and he moves his arms and hands to the drum beat.... To me, when he's being sporadic and doing crazy moves, that's when I think he's at his best and his most normal. He's always said he just lets the music do whatever. I mean, it's all perception, I'm not saying you're right or wrong or that I'm right or wrong of course, but MJ has never really been the same at each tour/show. He's always a little different as the years go by. As for the impersonator though, that's a bunch of crap. Nobody moved like Michael Jackson. Ya sure?
And just for reference: Human Nature Rehearsal Dangerous Tour Human Nature Rehearsal This Is It To me, there's a big difference, and I don't mean in terms of age or playfulness. Anyway, dude died suddenly and without warning and barely an explanation, of course ppl are gonna over analyze. [Edited 11/2/09 23:09pm] | |
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Ecasanova is a good impersonator, but he's just that. He wouldn't fool most MJ fans on his best day of the week. Not taking anything away from him, but MJ has a very distinct style.
I'm quite familiar with the Dangerous Tour rehearsals... they are some of my favorite pieces of material from MJ. But we all see different things I guess. To me, the Human Nature on This Is It was better vocally than some of the stuff he did on the Dangerous tour (the actual tour, not the rehearsals) but not too disimilar mannerism-wise. It's also worth mentioning that they went with a different arrangement of Human Nature here, and a different track is ultimately going to mean a different MJ. [Edited 11/2/09 23:30pm] | |
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i went to see it twice , and im going to see it a third time .
human nature was just a favorite part of mine , how he squeezes that falsetto why in the end just gives me goosebumps. i also get goosebumps when he is on the staircase elevator thing for beat it and goes like hooooo and than aow before the guitar kicks in. gives me goosebumps , doenst matter wich tour it is. i hope the extras also show a full speechless performance. is there any chance that we mainly see earlier rehearsals cause thats him at his best ? | |
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luv4ever said: Rorywan said: I agree, I mentioned this earlier and got jumped on for saying it. It is not a criticism, he just looked a little lost and irrational in his movements and actions, you could really see the difference from one day to the next, judging by his outfit changes. But when he had his shit together he was amazing. its all so sad.  I love,love,love Michael. There was some amazing stuff in This Is It, but when I saw the movie the second time, I also noticed twitching and odd movements. He was a genius for sure, but I can not deny that something was really wrong and alot of people seemed to turn a blind eye to the situation instead of getting him the help he so desperately needed.  Thank you! at last someone who left the rose tinted glasses outside. In a few short posts i've been accused of "coming in here to target MJ fans" to being "one of those holier MJ fans who etc etc" Wake up call, turn off the fucking repeat loop of "will you be there" and just watch the movie. Its all there to see, IF you want to see it. Love the gangs in here though, so juvenile and small minded.. "yeah you tell him ....." "what you doing coming in here...." God, give it a fucking rest. Take it back to the playground and get this thread back on track. IMHO, "this is it" showed MJ at his best and also as a man trying his hardest to keep it together at times. I thought it was a great tribute to a very talented human being, I personally am glad it wasn't homogenized too much. We are all human after all. See those letters at the start of the paragraph? IMHO. [Edited 11/3/09 3:12am] "My God it's full of Stars"
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Superstition said: Ecasanova is a good impersonator, but he's just that. He wouldn't fool most MJ fans on his best day of the week. Not taking anything away from him, but MJ has a very distinct style.
This is footage of another impersonator Navi, fooling fans: | |
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purplesweat said: Superstition said: Ecasanova is a good impersonator, but he's just that. He wouldn't fool most MJ fans on his best day of the week. Not taking anything away from him, but MJ has a very distinct style.
This is footage of another impersonator Navi, fooling fans: That's because those fans are morons "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: purplesweat said: This is footage of another impersonator Navi, fooling fans: That's because those fans are morons 
No Way would I believe that was Michael maybe at a glance but singing/dancing face to face noooooh. | |
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tangerine7 said: bboy87 said: That's because those fans are morons
No Way would I believe that was Michael maybe at a glance but singing/dancing face to face noooooh. Well, obviously. But with the mask and glasses on he fooled people. Michael in orange pants in TII never took those damn glasses off. | |
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bboy87 said: purplesweat said: It's hard to explain. He was jittery in the sense that you didn't quite know if he was going to lash out or not. Like in WBSS, he starts doing that slapping move randomly (like when you put your hand in front of you and make a slapping motion, often used to signify sex) then keeps getting faster and faster. It was odd and I've never seen Mike do a move like that before. It was mainly always with the orange pants, he just seemed all over the place and unpredictable like he was high or something... In TWYMMF, he did some silly walk, like even in rehearsals I've still never seen him do that or act that way. I found this website last night: http://www.the-michael-ja...om/02.html It's basically every article ever written about him. Two of the article in this section, made before he died, say he was using lookalikes. Maybe when he's wearing orange pants it's actually an impersonator? I saw teleprompters, as well. That's my buddy's website Cool to see all that stuff together, Interesting reading as well. I guess a lot of folk have forgotten about all the tabloid reports already. There have been many reports of body doubles. Hard to separate the tabloid sillyness with reality. Personally I wouldn't find it surprising given the complexity of the show they were attempting. For example there is MJ in silhouette dancing, next second he explodes out of a giant spider, it's all theatrics at the end of the day. It really is such a pity that the 3D sequences in "This is it" were not kept in for the movie release. Early reports suggested 3D glasses would be provided for these sequences. Ah well maybe someday.  "My God it's full of Stars"
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i loved the film.
It reminded me of the Dangerous Tour. And yes I'm spoiled a bit from seeing so many of his shows, however this set was going to be just as good as that Dangerous Tour in my opinion. He STILL HAD THE MOVES..I thought he was going to be all depressed and sickly looking like ervybody said in the press. He did look a bit thin however he was definitley enjoying himself. Especially on Billie Jean...that was the peak of the film....his dance steps were HAWT. i got chills, I cried when he did I'll Be There and "Man In The Mirror". I know there were more pieces of the film they are holding out on. It was like watching the concert. I loved wathing Mike DIRECT THE BAND....he was telling them how to make the sounds and correcting them on what was wrong. I never got to see that musical side of Mike..the media never captured that part of him. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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purplesweat said: Superstition said: Ecasanova is a good impersonator, but he's just that. He wouldn't fool most MJ fans on his best day of the week. Not taking anything away from him, but MJ has a very distinct style.
This is footage of another impersonator Navi, fooling fans: I love Navi. I had the pleasure of meeting him back in 2005, really nice guy, really talented guy, and really devoted to Michael and performing like him. The one thing I hate about most of Navi's videos posted on YouTube is the cheese-factor. I wish I had lots of money, because, if I did, one of the things I'd do would be give him money to make some concert videos with a decent budget. A lot of MJ fans go, "You can't fool me." But part of that is because his videos are so low quality. If he had half the budget Michael had, millions would be going, "THAT was Michael." I'm not trying to fuel speculation that he was in THIS IS IT, because personally I believe that was ALL Michael. That being said, I hope Navi gets to play MJ in a music video (ala Notorious BIG's videos after his passing) or maybe even a decent biopic. MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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paisleypark4 said: i loved the film.
It reminded me of the Dangerous Tour. And yes I'm spoiled a bit from seeing so many of his shows, however this set was going to be just as good as that Dangerous Tour in my opinion. He STILL HAD THE MOVES..I thought he was going to be all depressed and sickly looking like ervybody said in the press. He did look a bit thin however he was definitley enjoying himself. Especially on Billie Jean...that was the peak of the film....his dance steps were HAWT. i got chills, I cried when he did I'll Be There and "Man In The Mirror". I know there were more pieces of the film they are holding out on. It was like watching the concert. I loved wathing Mike DIRECT THE BAND....he was telling them how to make the sounds and correcting them on what was wrong. I never got to see that musical side of Mike..the media never captured that part of him. The DVD is going to have 2 to 3 hours of additional footage  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: paisleypark4 said: i loved the film.
It reminded me of the Dangerous Tour. And yes I'm spoiled a bit from seeing so many of his shows, however this set was going to be just as good as that Dangerous Tour in my opinion. He STILL HAD THE MOVES..I thought he was going to be all depressed and sickly looking like ervybody said in the press. He did look a bit thin however he was definitley enjoying himself. Especially on Billie Jean...that was the peak of the film....his dance steps were HAWT. i got chills, I cried when he did I'll Be There and "Man In The Mirror". I know there were more pieces of the film they are holding out on. It was like watching the concert. I loved wathing Mike DIRECT THE BAND....he was telling them how to make the sounds and correcting them on what was wrong. I never got to see that musical side of Mike..the media never captured that part of him. The DVD is going to have 2 to 3 hours of additional footage Cool. Would love to see more of MJ interacting etc, as well as the missing rehearsal tracks obviously! "My God it's full of Stars"
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BabyBeMine said: I thought MJ looked much better in the movie then 2001 Madison Square Garden concert and that was 8 years ago. To me it's a big difference.
Even the Billie Jean performance was better and he brought that new pop lock move and pretending to apply makeup.That was tight. 2001 performance was the same ole same ole. Nothing new. I was there at the Madison Square Garden performance, and I agree. The performance in the film, looked allot better. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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paisleypark4 said: i loved the film.
It reminded me of the Dangerous Tour. And yes I'm spoiled a bit from seeing so many of his shows, however this set was going to be just as good as that Dangerous Tour in my opinion. He STILL HAD THE MOVES..I thought he was going to be all depressed and sickly looking like ervybody said in the press. He did look a bit thin however he was definitley enjoying himself. Especially on Billie Jean...that was the peak of the film....his dance steps were HAWT. i got chills, I cried when he did I'll Be There and "Man In The Mirror". I know there were more pieces of the film they are holding out on. It was like watching the concert. I loved wathing Mike DIRECT THE BAND....he was telling them how to make the sounds and correcting them on what was wrong. I never got to see that musical side of Mike..the media never captured that part of him. I've just seen it, wow what a great film, you can see why the critics could not slag it off even if they didn't like MJ, it's a very well made film.... 
It was sad for me because i had tickets for the 1st show in september, and it would have been the greatest live show i've ever seen and first time i've seen him live, mike is just a fantastic pro...he is the king of pop ...full stop..
I've read the reviews on here from die hard fans and just people who love his music and all are telling the truth about this film it's the best film of 2009 for sure and it should win a first oscar for MJ..
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Was MJ really going to wear a style shirt like this for "Beat It?"
Or was Ed Hardy confused in an interview he gave, and was this shirt just really going to be sold at the shows to fans? Anyone know? http://cgi.ebay.com/MICHA...3247wt_941 MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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Why the fuck are people critisizing him for making mistakes at a rehearsal, lol, it was a fucking rehearsal
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Vanilli said: purplesweat said: This is footage of another impersonator Navi, fooling fans: I love Navi. I had the pleasure of meeting him back in 2005, really nice guy, really talented guy, and really devoted to Michael and performing like him. The one thing I hate about most of Navi's videos posted on YouTube is the cheese-factor. I wish I had lots of money, because, if I did, one of the things I'd do would be give him money to make some concert videos with a decent budget. A lot of MJ fans go, "You can't fool me." But part of that is because his videos are so low quality. If he had half the budget Michael had, millions would be going, "THAT was Michael." I'm not trying to fuel speculation that he was in THIS IS IT, because personally I believe that was ALL Michael. That being said, I hope Navi gets to play MJ in a music video (ala Notorious BIG's videos after his passing) or maybe even a decent biopic. Nothing against this guy in particular, but am I the only one who can´t stand those impersonators? I really hate watching their shows cause, I mean, it´s impossible to copy Mike. You always look like someone who is trying to copy someone. It looks unnatural and not cool to me. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Vanilli said: I love Navi. I had the pleasure of meeting him back in 2005, really nice guy, really talented guy, and really devoted to Michael and performing like him. The one thing I hate about most of Navi's videos posted on YouTube is the cheese-factor. I wish I had lots of money, because, if I did, one of the things I'd do would be give him money to make some concert videos with a decent budget. A lot of MJ fans go, "You can't fool me." But part of that is because his videos are so low quality. If he had half the budget Michael had, millions would be going, "THAT was Michael." I'm not trying to fuel speculation that he was in THIS IS IT, because personally I believe that was ALL Michael. That being said, I hope Navi gets to play MJ in a music video (ala Notorious BIG's videos after his passing) or maybe even a decent biopic. Nothing against this guy in particular, but am I the only one who can´t stand those impersonators? I really hate watching their shows cause, I mean, it´s impossible to copy Mike. You always look like someone who is trying to copy someone. It looks unnatural and not cool to me. I hate impersonators too  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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I love the movie and will be watching it again tonight | |
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MJ's Home Movies Doc on C4 in Uk right now - 7pm , for anyone interested.
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The music director for "This Is It" has an interview on tbs.com
http://www.tbs.com/video/...arethisUrl He is also the music director for the new George Lopez talk show. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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