Timmy84 said:

Oh, I see, I get it now, lol. I just have to think of those ideas as In Livin' Color or Dave Chappelle skits....Yep, that is kinda funny.

bboy87 said:

That was the eurweb interview The incident actually took place in a recording studion,,,,GOD reading that shit made my skin crawl

Harlepolis said:

Bill said that's why he stopped recording because he felt they set him up with that shit.

Timmy84 said:

Well, THAT among other incidents,,,,I could just imagine what they were

Its no wonder why ALOT of people washed their hands off this industry, willingly.

Harlepolis said:

scoots next to his play cousin Harlepolis

You ain't hear this from me....but a certain hero of mine had to be begged into recording his last album. He also apparently planned to release songs to Napster but the label shut that down that idea

Because of the publishing he owned which they wanted, they shut down his sublabel, and held his 3 nephews to a contract but wouldn't release their material.....


but you didn't hear that from me

Harlepolis said:

You got a link to that interview?

Harlepolis said:

Good question.

Have you ever seen any of the concert footages where Jay-Z has the whole audience raising up the triangle all-seeing eye hand signal and NOT knowing WTF that really means? Blind like sheeps indeed!

THIS^ is one reason why it is a concern for some of us (responsible adults) that can see right through that BS.

Another reason for concern is all of the children & teens that are listening to music all the time and not knowing anything about the symbolism &/or metaphor within a song's lyrical content. It's very easy to corrupt and brainwash the youth.

bboy87 said:

I couldn't find it,,,seems like the oldest thing from their archives is from 2008

Thats a real intersting interview, he didn't bit his tongue one bit. Def lookin' forward for his upcoming documentary, I know he won't cater to the bullshit.

TonyVanDam said:

Well if thats the case, then don't forget about the PINK ELEPHANT in the room AKA Hollywood,,,,and the rest of media outlets who treat their viewers as passive digesters.

And if responsible adults keep enlighten & educate their kids instead of the ol' MCcArthy "fear & smear" tactic, they'll be fine.

I'm a parent too Tony, but I try to teach my kids to not be fazed by what they see without getting jaded or easily influenced,,,,,mind you, the rest is up to THEM.

And you still didn't answer my ?uestion Tony, whats so corrupt about that clique and why should I be afraid of their belief? I swear o' god, I ain't trying to consume your energy ,,,,I just want to CLEARLY understand it from YOUR point of view.

I personally don't give a shit about movies, which is why I don't comment on Hollywood

bboy87 said:

http://www.eurweb.com/sto...r27123.cfm

WELL MAYBE WHAT LEADS TO THAT IS THE FACT THAT YOU LEFT THE BUSINESS ALL OF A SUDDEN AND WASN’T HEARD FROM AGAIN. FROM AN AUDIENCE POINT OF VIEW, YOU JUST STOPPED. WHY?

I guess I said what I had to say for the time, and then life goes on. I wasn’t socialized as a music person. I was in my 30s when I started doing this. So I really learned how to live as an adult doing something else. So when I got a family and things, there’s plenty to do there.

I really stopped recording because I couldn’t get in the studio. For seven years, I was at CBS records and I couldn’t get a purchase order to go in the studio. There was a guy over there in A&R, Mickey Eichner, and he wouldn’t take my phone calls for three years. [A&R rep] George Butler, that used to work there, he told me when Eichner was in the building he would hide from me. Eichner came up with such brilliant suggestions like I should cover Elvis Presley’s “In the Ghetto.” I don’t cover Elvis Presley. For what? I got my own things. The songs that I’ve written did well for themselves, and brothers don’t cover Elvis, Elvis covers us. So that kinda turned me off to the whole process.

That’s why I did “Just the Two of Us” with Grover [Washington Jr.], because I couldn’t get into the studio [by myself]. Then, they said the only way I could get back in the studio is to work with this producer that they picked – and this is a true story. I can prove this if everybody [involved] ain’t dead. The studio was in this guy’s house. There was this little girl about 4-years-old, stark ravin’ naked, not a stitch of clothes on, running around in the studio. So she would go over to the board where I was, and I’d say, “We’re busy.” They’d say, “Go over there and talk to Bill.” Now here’s this little blonde-haired naked girl, and I’m black, from the South. And she’s coming over to me saying, “I’m ticklish, would you tickle me?” I’m thinking I gotta get the hell outta here, they can kiss my you know what. I could see myself standing up in front of some judge – you know, who was born in Oklahoma like half of California was – trying to explain myself. So I said man, this stuff is crazy. And it just soured me on the whole experience, so I left it alone. And I will never, ever again put myself in the position to where anybody has that kind of power over me.

At CBS Records, in 1981, Grover and I did “Just the Two of Us” which was a No. 1 record. It took me until 1985 to get into the studio, and I had been trying since 1977. Nobody will ever own that much of me again.

Cinnie said:

You will eventually.

I didn't become a movie buff untill recently,,,,,and now I'm kicking myself in the buttocks for not giving a shit all these years.

Straight up Tiffany is either a nut or just bitter about the fact that she hasn't done very well but it does seem a lil suspect that the same artists are repeatedly being linked to these'rumours'.

Jay Z's actions in particular don't do much to refute - but whatever garners attention I guess..

bboy87 said:

This has come to mind a few times before. Not about MJ though, but about Prince.

TonyVanDam said:

Some straight up mess...

JayJai said:

I don't believe that Prince was involved in that mess,,,,,I do believe that the man surrounded himself with people who regarded their pockets instead of his intrest coupled with the fact that he was a big baby who burnt a shit load of bridges with alot of people.

In short, lack of business sense.

MJ however, thats another story,,,,,it REALLY started to get serious when he wanted to convert to Islam, somebody who had that kind of power/influence was TOO much of a threat alone to be a muslim.

OK, here's the link. Those are thumbnails on the page and you can click each one and blow it up.....

WARNING: NUDITY: NOT SAFE FOR WORK

http://www.free-celebrity...index.html

Harlepolis said:

Michael didn't convert to Islam, but he was surrounding himself with the NOI because of advice his brother during the trial and you know Mike and Farrakhan go back to the Jackson 5 days

He still considered himself Christian when he passed as far as I know. I think his mom was trying to get him to go back to the JWs when he was on trial but he didn't want to really be tied to an organization


The whole thing with the publishing started years ago. Like when he bought ATV and wanted to give Little Richard his publishing back....people didn't like that

Harle, I don't know if you've seen that speech he did in 2002 in Harlem. He basically said:

"The minute I started breaking the records and crossed over, OVERNIGHT, they said I was weird, they said I was gay, they said I was a child molester. ANYTHING they could to make people turn on me, they tried..."


Jesse Jackson was his spiritual advisor when he died
[Edited 10/22/09 20:16pm]

bboy87 said:

One of the Bahrini princes talked about providing him with religious gurus and books that could educate him about orthodox Islam.

My point wasn't about whether he convicted to Islam or not,,,,,its the fact that he simply CONSIDERED to be one was a big threat to many.

vainandy said:

I think I'm alone now

Harlepolis said:

1. You should not have to fear anyone except for Yahweh and (to an extent) the tax collectors.

2. I don't fear artists that choose to follow the path of darkness. But I personally AND professional can not and will not stay quiet when I know now that those same artists don't give a damn about music as an artform OR give a damn about their own fanatics enough to not lead them down that same path of darkness just so the artists themselves can maintain their fame/wealth by keeping the major labels owners/CEOs happy at the expense of lowing the quality standards of music itself.

As a person who wants to serve Yahweh, it is my personal AND professional responsibility to hate evil. And anyone/anyplace/anything that is a member/location/symbol of The Powers That Be, The Adversary, and/or other dark forces (EXAMPLE: Baphomet) is pure evil.

I don't know if you talked about this before, Tony.

The 2009 VMAs: The Occult Mega-Ritual http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2191

Harlepolis said:

I caught ALL of those points while I was watching the VMAs this year, except P!nk's ritual, but that one makes sense too.

bboy87 said:

Jesse JACKSON, lol

Timmy84 said:

Man I was crackin' up at that, I wanted it to stay.

I dare someone send him a gif, lol. He was just so passionate you can tell, it's easy to forget what's the right Jesse, lol

Harlepolis said:

I have that website bookmarked. Cinnie has me thinking about making a thread in P&R about Lady Gaga's mock blood sacrifice. But I didn't think a thread was necessary (yet?) because it's too obvious that LG has sampled ideas from David Bowie (who once sampled ideas from Aleister Crowley), Madonna, the occult, and even the movie Ghostbusters to create shock value.

There are also plenty of video documentaries uploaded on YouTube and Dailymotion that also goes into detail of how the symbolism from secret societies & the occult are used within music videos and album covers.

Timmy84 said:

I was in a hurry

Harlepolis said:

while i don't believe any of this stuff at all, it's interesting to read

Timmy84 said:

truu but DAMN! this is music + more..not politics lol i didnt think you guys would be THT into this devil/illuminati shit

come back a couple hours later and yall already got it at 2 pages *shakes my head* lol keep it up folks!!