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Printablethe part where michael talks about how he wanted to be loved by his father so he went elsewhere aka THE WORLD to be loved and perform, was really spot-on. ive always though that..i cant help but think if he had made REAL amends with his dad he would've been much more stable today and possibly not dead | |
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dearmother said: the part where michael talks about how he wanted to be loved by his father so he went elsewhere aka THE WORLD to be loved and perform, was really spot-on. ive always though that..i cant help but think if he had made REAL amends with his dad he would've been much more stable today and possibly not dead
and yet, right up until the end, joe apparently wasn't showing mj much love. trying to bully him into reuniting with his bros, and supposedly blaming mj for his lack of financial stability. i was a teenager during the whole thriller-mania and it seemed to me even then mj was just a meal ticket, and little more. at least mj seems to have broken the cycle with his own children. they seem to have adored him. | |
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dearmother said: the part where michael talks about how he wanted to be loved by his father so he went elsewhere aka THE WORLD to be loved and perform, was really spot-on. ive always though that..i cant help but think if he had made REAL amends with his dad he would've been much more stable today and possibly not dead
i think he did forgive his father but the wounds from his childhood were too deep As the lead singer of the Jackson 5, Michael Jackson was a childhood sensation. But behind his beaming smile, there was searing pain.
Michael Jackson: It's true, Shmuley. I suffered a lot in that way. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael had a broken childhood. There were always two Michael Jacksons. There was Michael Jackson, African-American boy from Gary, Indiana, who grew up in abject poverty. And then, there was the King Of Pop. Jackson, the King Of Pop, has talked about Michael, the boy, before ... But never like this. In unsettling detail, he opens up about his fear of his father and manager, Joe Jackson. Michael Jackson: You'd look in the audience, and he'd make a face like this. You'd go,"I can't mess up, he's gonna kill us.” It would scare the bejesus out of you and you'd be like, everybody's clapping and he'd be like, like looking at you hard, like "Don't you mess up" and you know, I'm like, "Oh God, I'm in trouble after the show." Rabbi Shmuley: There was no one on Michael's mind more than his father Joseph, no one. His father came up constantly, usually in painful, negative stories. Jackson told Shmuley that growing up, he and his siblings would dread the moment their father came home. Michael Jackson: We'd hear his car comin' the driveway. He always drove a big Mercedes and he drives real slow. "Joseph's home, Joseph's home, quick!" Doors slam, everybody runs to their room. Like there's sometimes I'd be in bed at night sleeping, it's 12 at night. The door is locked. He said, "I'm giving you five seconds, you don't open, I'm going to kick it down." And he starts kicking it, boom! Like breaking the door down. Why didn't you sign that contract today? I go, "I don't know." He goes, "Well, sign it. If you don't sign it, you are in trouble." Rabbi Shmuley: So you would sign? Michael Jackson: I had to! He would, he was very physical. He'd throw you and hit you as hard as he can. And as Michael describes to the rabbi, they were beatings that sometimes got brutal. Michael Jackson: He was rough. The way he would beat you, you know, was hard, you know. Sometime he take, um, he would make you strip nude first. He would oil you down. It would be a whole ritual. He would oil you down so when the flip of the ironing cord hit you, you know. And it would just like be dying and you had whips all over your face, your back, everywhere. And I always hear my mother, "No, Joe! You're gonna kill 'em. You're gonna kill 'em, no!" I would just give up, like there was nothing I could do, you know? And I, and I hated him for it, hated him. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael was terrified of his father. Terrified, and also resentful. Rabbi Shmuley: Did you begin to feel that you were like a moneymaking machine for him? Michael Jackson: Yes. I'll never forget it, one day he said, "If you guys ever stop singing, I'll drop you like a hot potato." That's what he said. It hurt me. You don't say that to children and I never forgot it. It was a shunning of affection that colored almost all Jackson's childhood memories of his father. Michael Jackson: I never felt love from him. And he would never hold me or touch me. Rabbi Shmuley: He only has one memory of his father ever doing anything loving for him as a child. He was about 5 years old. He was at a carnival. And his father picked him up and put him on a horse. And he said he has relived that moment almost every day of his life. Michael learned the devastating effects of neglecting a child. Jackson told Shmuley his sadness created a torment so wrenching that he and his siblings even fantasized about their father being dead. Michael Jackson: We used to say to our mother, we used to say to each other, and I'll never forget this. Janet and myself, we say, I would say, "Janet, shut your eyes." She'd go, "Okay, they're shut." I'd say, "Picture Joseph in a coffin. He's dead. Did you feel sorry?" She'd go, "No." That's what we used to do to each other as kids. We'd like play games like that. She'd go, she'd go, "Nope." Just like that. And that's how hateful we were. Jackson's siblings have said in the past that Joe Jackson was hard on them, but their descriptions are inconsistent. And Joe Jackson has said he whipped his son, but never beat him. A spokesman for the Jackson family told us "The family will not dignify this with a comment." Meredith Vieira: You've met Joe Jackson. Rabbi Shmuley: I have. Meredith Vieira: Does this ring true to you, does it make sense to you? Rabbi Shmuley: What's not important, as far as Michael is concerned, is whether or not these allegations are true, they may not be true, but Michael certainly perceived them to be true. And like most things in Jackson's life, nothing was black and white. At times, he spoke fondly of his father -- crediting him with much of his own success. Michael Jackson: And God bless my father because he did some wonderful things, and he was brilliant, he was a genius. Meredith Vieira: He always talks about how brilliant his dad was. Rabbi Shmuley: Michael was wrestling with his anger and his disappointment. Rabbi Shmuley: And how do you view him today? Michael Jackson: I'm scared of my father to this day. My father walk in the room -- and God knows I'm telling the truth. I've fainted in his presence many times. I'll say once, to be honest. I fainted once. I've thrown up in his presence because just when he comes in the room, ugh, this aura comes and my stomach start hurting and I know like I'm in trouble. And now, he's so different now. And he wants to be a better father. I just wished he had of learned that earlier. Rabbi Shmuley: Why are you still scared then? Michael Jackson: Because the scar is still there. I'm like an angel in front of him, I'm scared. One day he said "Why are you scared of me?" And I couldn't answer. I thought, I said, “Joseph, do you know what you've done? Do you know what you've done to me?" Rabbi Shmuley: I think that it was Michael's inability to be reconciled with his father that ultimately, more than anything else, consumed him. Meredith Vieira: Because? Rabbi Shmuley: Because he wanted his father's validation and love more than anything else. Meredith Vieira: And when he didn't get it? Rabbi Shmuley: He couldn't heal. Millions of fans couldn't heal him. "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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kibbles said: dearmother said: the part where michael talks about how he wanted to be loved by his father so he went elsewhere aka THE WORLD to be loved and perform, was really spot-on. ive always though that..i cant help but think if he had made REAL amends with his dad he would've been much more stable today and possibly not dead
and yet, right up until the end, joe apparently wasn't showing mj much love. trying to bully him into reuniting with his bros, and supposedly blaming mj for his lack of financial stability. i was a teenager during the whole thriller-mania and it seemed to me even then mj was just a meal ticket, and little more. at least mj seems to have broken the cycle with his own children. they seem to have adored him. [Edited 9/25/09 21:52pm] | |
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he talks about forgiving his dad in this speech too..its sad
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gaah i'm choking up again that shit is SO sad
Michael Jackson: Because the scar is still there. I'm like an angel in front of him, I'm scared. One day he said "Why are you scared of me?" And I couldn't answer. I thought, I said, “Joseph, do you know what you've done? Do you know what you've done to me?" [Edited 9/25/09 22:08pm] | |
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dearmother said: he talks about forgiving his dad in this speech too..its sad
yes, and i believe the boteach was the one who helped arrange this. reading through some of these transcripts it seems that a lot of things aren't as bad as the media are making them out to be. a lot of it seems overhyped. | |
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kibbles said: dearmother said: he talks about forgiving his dad in this speech too..its sad
yes, and i believe the boteach was the one who helped arrange this. reading through some of these transcripts it seems that a lot of things aren't as bad as the media are making them out to be. a lot of it seems overhyped. of course. | |
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Sony Pictures Releasing to Distribute Michael Jackson's THIS IS IT to Digital IMAX® Theatres Beginning October 28, 2009
Press Release LOS ANGELES, Sept. 25, 2009 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- IMAX Corporation (Nasdaq:IMAX - News) (TSX:IMX - News) and Sony Pictures Releasing today announced that the highly-anticipated motion picture Michael Jackson's THIS IS IT will be released for a special run in select digital IMAX® theatres worldwide during the film's limited two-week engagement in thousands of theatres globally starting on October 28, 2009. The film's domestic run at select digital IMAX theatres will be for evening showtimes starting at approximately 9 PM Pacific Standard Time, beginning Tuesday, October 27, 2009. Tickets for the worldwide release go on sale for most locations this Sunday, September 27th at 12:01 AM. To find out which IMAX locations have the film, visit imax.com. THIS IS IT will be digitally re-mastered into the image and sound quality of The IMAX Experience® with proprietary IMAX DMR® (Digital Re-mastering) technology. The crystal-clear images coupled with IMAX's customized theatre geometry and powerful digital audio create a unique environment that will make audiences feel as if they are in the movie. "The combination of the never seen before rehearsal footage of Michael Jackson preparing for his sold-out London concerts, more than 25 world premieres and special IMAX engagements makes this a once-in-a-lifetime event for moviegoers, music lovers and Michael Jackson fans," said Rory Bruer, President, Worldwide Distribution for Sony Pictures Releasing. "The rollout of our new digital IMAX locations is expanding the range and frequency of IMAX content available to moviegoers worldwide," said IMAX CEO Richard L. Gelfond. "Our partnership with Sony Pictures Entertainment is growing with our theatre network, and we're looking forward to continued success with them as we open more theatres and release more films." "We're very excited to participate in this special event, where IMAX audiences and fans of Michael Jackson will feel the energy of his talents," added Greg Foster, Chairman and President of IMAX Filmed Entertainment. "Sony Pictures Entertainment knows how to create an event on a global scale, and their use of our new digital IMAX locations internationally demonstrates how major studios can take advantage of our network in new and exciting ways." Michael Jackson's THIS IS IT will offer Jackson fans and music lovers worldwide a rare, behind-the-scenes look at the performer as he developed, created and rehearsed for his sold-out concerts that would have taken place beginning this summer in London's O2 Arena. Chronicling the months from March through June, 2009, the film is produced with the full support of the Estate of Michael Jackson and drawn from more than one hundred hours of behind-the-scenes footage, featuring Jackson rehearsing a number of his songs for the show. Audiences will be given a privileged and private look at Jackson as he has never been seen before. In raw and candid detail, Michael Jackson's THIS IS IT captures the singer, dancer, filmmaker, architect, creative genius, and great artist at work as he creates and perfects his final show. Kenny Ortega, who was both Michael Jackson's creative partner and the director of the stage show, is also directing the film, which is being produced by Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega and Paul Gongaware. Executive producers are John Branca and John McClain. The film will be distributed worldwide by Sony Pictures Releasing. For more information about the film please visit www.thisisit-movie.com. "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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kibbles said: dearmother said: he talks about forgiving his dad in this speech too..its sad
yes, and i believe the boteach was the one who helped arrange this. reading through some of these transcripts it seems that a lot of things aren't as bad as the media are making them out to be. a lot of it seems overhyped. Exactly. I just read the entire transcript. The man was intelligent but some thought he was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.  | |
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Timmy84 said: The man was intelligent but some thought he was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. "There is no great genius without some touch of madness." - Seneca Roman dramatist, philosopher, & politician (5 BC - 65 AD) | |
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Listening to some of the tapes that they played on Dateline, I felt it was sad to hear some what Michael talked about,but alot of what he said we already knew. We knew that his relationship with Joe sucked,we knew that he was lonely,we knew that he loved,and wanted children. I can't believe he thought he looked like a lizard.  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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Over on a Madonna forum they're going off about what he said about her, especially a part where he said 'she is not sexy' but I'm wondering in the transcripts I've heard I never saw that quote. Did he really say that? Because I think he did find her sexy by his reaction of her performance at the Oscars, maybe it was her agressive attitude and the mean things she said about him afterwards that made him say that. | |
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Motown 25th Anniversary 'Billie Jean" performance. Speaking about the Motown 25th Anniversay performance, Janet tells Harper's Bazzar that the single glove idea came from brother Jackie and, most hilarious of all, the black jacket belonged to their mother, Katherine Jackson.  | |
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Arnotts said: Over on a Madonna forum they're going off about what he said about her, especially a part where he said 'she is not sexy' but I'm wondering in the transcripts I've heard I never saw that quote. Did he really say that? Because I think he did find her sexy by his reaction of her performance at the Oscars, maybe it was her agressive attitude and the mean things she said about him afterwards that made him say that.
i don't know if the not sexy part is true cause it was from a british tabloid but they quoted him so who knows. .....they're really upset  "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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What pisses me off is this..if somehow Michael Jackson could some back to life, or be back brought back to life, people wouldn't be understanding. They wouldn't play his music and champion him. Instead, he'd back right back to being "Jacko." It pisses me off SO MUCH that it takes him being dead and gone for people to have any form of compassion to a man who gave so much of himself to entertainment FOR OTHERS. MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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Those Schumley tapes revealed nothing new. I didn´t hear them, but just based on the transcripts posted here. But I hate him for doing that to Mike. Can you imagine confiding to someone and that person taping you and selling it to the world when you die? That´s sick. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Those Schumley tapes revealed nothing new. I didn´t hear them, but just based on the transcripts posted here. But I hate him for doing that to Mike. Can you imagine confiding to someone and that person taping you and selling it to the world when you die? That´s sick.
No Michael did know. He even mentions it on the tapes himself, that he is being taped. | |
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Arnotts said: dag said: Those Schumley tapes revealed nothing new. I didn´t hear them, but just based on the transcripts posted here. But I hate him for doing that to Mike. Can you imagine confiding to someone and that person taping you and selling it to the world when you die? That´s sick.
No Michael did know. He even mentions it on the tapes himself, that he is being taped. Oh OK. But still, if it was meant to be released, why wasn´t it released during his life? I know they broke up as friends and maybe that it why it was not released. It sucks that now when he´s dead, he releases it. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Arnotts said: No Michael did know. He even mentions it on the tapes himself, that he is being taped. Oh OK. But still, if it was meant to be released, why wasn´t it released during his life? I know they broke up as friends and maybe that it why it was not released. It sucks that now when he´s dead, he releases it. Even if it is a low act to release something without being able to get someones permission I don't think Shmuley is releasing these tapes with bad intentions or a purely money-making motive. I think he really believes this will show a human side to Michael that no one really knows and views it as a way for people to see inside Michaels head better. I think the friendship ended for the same reason Michaels marriage to Lisa ended. They couldnt handle what Michael was doing to himself and the world that he lived in. It was harming their own lives. I can't even imagine how painful it would be to watch someone you love bear that kind of pain and not be able to do anything about it. Michael was a stubborn guy who found it impossible to break his habits and ways of dealing with his problems. I can totally understand Michael and relate to the way he was, but I also understand Shmuley's, and all his 'backstabbing friends' side. | |
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Apparently, people are going crazy over Michael saying that Hitler was a "oratory genius".
The rabbi said that MJ despised and hated Hitler but thought that he could change him (this ilustrates how naive Michael was). [Edited 9/26/09 3:25am] | |
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Motown 25th Anniversary 'Billie Jean" performance. Speaking about the Motown 25th Anniversay performance, Janet tells Harper's Bazzar that the single glove idea came from brother Jackie and, most hilarious of all, the black jacket belonged to their mother, Katherine Jackson. thats soo cute i always wonder about little stuff like that | |
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MOL said: Apparently, people are going crazy over Michael saying that Hitler was a "oratory genius".
The rabbi said that MJ despised and hated Hitler but thought that he could change him (this ilustrates how naive Michael was). [Edited 9/26/09 3:25am] gaaaah that hitler thing is dumb i completely agree with him | |
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dearmother said: MOL said: Apparently, people are going crazy over Michael saying that Hitler was a "oratory genius".
The rabbi said that MJ despised and hated Hitler but thought that he could change him (this ilustrates how naive Michael was). [Edited 9/26/09 3:25am] gaaaah that hitler thing is dumb i completely agree with him Hey, you never know. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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mimi07 said: Arnotts said: Over on a Madonna forum they're going off about what he said about her, especially a part where he said 'she is not sexy' but I'm wondering in the transcripts I've heard I never saw that quote. Did he really say that? Because I think he did find her sexy by his reaction of her performance at the Oscars, maybe it was her agressive attitude and the mean things she said about him afterwards that made him say that.
i don't know if the not sexy part is true cause it was from a british tabloid but they quoted him so who knows. .....they're really upset I don't know why they would be so upset,so Michael did think that Madonna was sexy, big deal,that was his opinion.  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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dearmother said: Copycat said:
Motown 25th Anniversary 'Billie Jean" performance. Speaking about the Motown 25th Anniversay performance, Janet tells Harper's Bazzar that the single glove idea came from brother Jackie and, most hilarious of all, the black jacket belonged to their mother, Katherine Jackson. thats soo cute i always wonder about little stuff like that It's funny that Janet mentioned that the jacket worn at Motown 25 was Katherines, but in an interview, Michael said he got it from a salvation army store around 1981-82 and said something like, "one day, i'm going to perform in this jacket" | |
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Timmy84 said: kibbles said: yes, and i believe the boteach was the one who helped arrange this. reading through some of these transcripts it seems that a lot of things aren't as bad as the media are making them out to be. a lot of it seems overhyped. Exactly. I just read the entire transcript. The man was intelligent but some thought he was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. They overhype everything the man did ..everything. and that so called friend called rabbi, what a shame , I wonder how much they paid him to give them all of this, Im shocked about the nature of human beings surrounding Mj, they are all sick backstabbers. [Edited 9/26/09 14:16pm] [Edited 9/26/09 14:17pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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MOL said: Apparently, people are going crazy over Michael saying that Hitler was a "oratory genius".
The rabbi said that MJ despised and hated Hitler but thought that he could change him (this ilustrates how naive Michael was). [Edited 9/26/09 3:25am] he's naive because he felt enobody could be completely evil? because he tried to see the good in people? if he felt he could change hitler than whatever that's how he felt [Edited 9/26/09 15:55pm] "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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seeingvoices12 said: Timmy84 said: Exactly. I just read the entire transcript. The man was intelligent but some thought he was cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. They overhype everything the man did ..everything. and that so called friend called rabbi, what a shame , I wonder how much they paid him to give them all of this, Im shocked about the nature of human beings surrounding Mj, they are all sick backstabbers. [Edited 9/26/09 14:16pm] [Edited 9/26/09 14:17pm] i think about that, too. but then i remember people like carrie fisher, or chris tucker's ex-girlfriend, teddy riley, those ex-sony execs and on and on who never tried to sell mj out, lie or misrepresent him. or the people who worked with him on preparing this is it. i remember that the media are only seeking out the likes of boteach, geller, weisner, even latoya and her brothers to a certain extent b/c they seem willing to engage in salacious gossip and speculation. i'm sure mj had positive people around him, but unfortunately for him the handful of bad people around him have an ability to make money via the media. | |
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