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Reply #120 posted 09/25/09 3:49pm

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eek people are starting to wait outside for tickets to "this is it". let me remind u that it don't go on sale until SUNDAY!






I drove by there yesterday and the people there are serious about getting their tickets.
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Reply #121 posted 09/25/09 4:01pm

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Fans start a three-day wait in the line to buy tickets to the Michael Jackson film at the LA Live theater in Los Angeles. (Credit: Getty Images)
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Reply #122 posted 09/25/09 4:14pm

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Schmusley robbed money from Heal The World Foundation and, therefore, Michael wanted nothing to do with him. Schmusley became vindictive, according to what I'm reading.


yes, as i posted above, roger friedman has written about it and how the rabbi is banned from some organization in the u.k. for some sort of financial misdealings. have you read stories from others confirming this?

at any rate, i have a hard time believing what he has apparently written above. something tells me he never knew mj's parents or spoke to mj's brothers or maintained any sort of contact with mj's people who would be close enough to him to give him updates on mj. the rabbi tried to float these tapes ages ago, and no one was interested b/c at the end of the day, there's nothing really scandalous about them. mj had father problems? now where have we heard that? oh, i know 'oprah', the speech at oxford, recent ebony tribute mag from mj himself. you know what i mean? he's like bashir; trying to spin something out of nothing, save mj's naivety at being taken in by someone like him.

tom meseareau has disputed accounts of mj being high during his trial, as did raymone bain. the jacksons released a statement saying they would not be dignifying the rabbi with comment. the only reason the book is being published is b/c mj is dead and probably because this man has made up things to make it more marketable. i think that if he had a story to tell about mj's drug addiction in 2005, he definitely could have found a publisher. but he couldn't b/c i would bet half the things he's saying now weren't in the original book.
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Reply #123 posted 09/25/09 5:38pm

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Reply #124 posted 09/25/09 5:47pm

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Can anyone give me a complete list of all jackson 5 and michael jackson official cds and dvds?
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Reply #125 posted 09/25/09 5:58pm

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blackguitaristz said:

mimi07 said:

eek people are starting to wait outside for tickets to "this is it". let me remind u that it don't go on sale until SUNDAY!






I drove by there yesterday and the people there are serious about getting their tickets.

Michael has the best fans. No doubt. They are so loyal.
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Reply #126 posted 09/25/09 6:10pm

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totally agree
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Reply #127 posted 09/25/09 6:11pm

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if you think about how strong his fanbase is after all these years its pretty amazing
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Reply #128 posted 09/25/09 6:17pm

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dance4me3121 said:

Can anyone give me a complete list of all jackson 5 and michael jackson official cds and dvds?


Jackson 5 -

2300 Jackson Street
Victory
Jacksons: Live [Epic]
Triumph
Destiny
Goin' Places
Jacksons
Moving Violation
Dancing Machine
Skywriter
In Japan!
Get It Together
Lookin' Through the Windows
Maybe Tomorrow
Goin' Back to Indiana
Third Album
Jackson 5 Christmas Album
ABC
Diana Ross Presents the Jackson 5

Michael Jackson -

Got to Be There
Ben
Music & Me
Forever,Michael
Off The Wall
Thriller
Bad
Dangerous
HIStory
Blood On The Dance Floor
Invincible
Number Ones
Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection
Essential Michael Jackson
Thriller 25 Deluxe Edition
Hello World - The Motown Solo Collection

DVD's -

Michael Jackson: Live in Bucharest: The Dangerous Tour
Michael Jackson - Dangerous: The Short Films
Michael Jackson - History on Film, Vol. 1
Michael Jackson - History on Film, Vol. 2
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Reply #129 posted 09/25/09 6:19pm

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anyone watching dateline

its brutal sad

i choked up when he was talking about joe
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Reply #130 posted 09/25/09 6:21pm

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he said him 'n janet would picture joe in a coffin and not feel any sadness or anything, dang
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Reply #131 posted 09/25/09 6:30pm

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dearmother said:

anyone watching dateline

its brutal sad

i choked up when he was talking about joe

I know. Ive ebeen watching since the beginning. I believe him in these tapes. More real than Ive EVER heard him. Hes being brutally honest. God bless you Mike.
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Reply #132 posted 09/25/09 6:32pm

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dearmother said:

he said him 'n janet would picture joe in a coffin and not feel any sadness or anything, dang


I can't find the channel
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Reply #133 posted 09/25/09 6:33pm

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schumley (sp) sucks but

the stuff michael's saying..it's good it's his voice. not just someone else paraphrasing. i wanna hear all the tapes, unedited
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Reply #134 posted 09/25/09 6:36pm

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nbc nbc
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Reply #135 posted 09/25/09 6:39pm

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dearmother said:

nbc nbc


Okay,it hasn't started yet.whewI thought I missed it.
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Reply #136 posted 09/25/09 6:39pm

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how could anyone not think mj's a total narcissist. i loveeeee him but really, going to his concerts a religious experience? i really think he thought of himself as jesus in some sense, that's why i DONT think he ever molested any kid.
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Reply #137 posted 09/25/09 6:40pm

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EmeraldSkies said:

dearmother said:

nbc nbc


Okay,it hasn't started yet.whewI thought I missed it.



it's good, for anyone else i'm sure itll be up on youtube
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Reply #138 posted 09/25/09 6:47pm

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lol mj didn't write PYT

i wish they'd stfu and play the tapes
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Reply #139 posted 09/25/09 6:58pm

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dearmother said:

EmeraldSkies said:



Okay,it hasn't started yet.whewI thought I missed it.



it's good, for anyone else i'm sure itll be up on youtube


I still have 2 hours before they will show it.
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Reply #140 posted 09/25/09 6:59pm

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dearmother said:

lol mj didn't write PYT

i wish they'd stfu and play the tapes


I thought they were.
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Reply #141 posted 09/25/09 7:01pm

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Michael thought he looked like a lizard? eek
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Reply #142 posted 09/25/09 7:02pm

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This Dateline special made me sad. sad
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Reply #143 posted 09/25/09 7:11pm

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excerpt

Shmuley Boteach: Was there an age at which you realized, “Oh my gosh, I missed my childhood?”

Michael Jackson: Yes, I remember distinctly ... It’s like being on a ride you can’t get off and you think, “Oh my God. What did I do?” and you are committed and you can’t get off. It hit me before I was a teenager. I wanted so badly to play in the park across the street because the kids were playing baseball and football but I had to record. I could see the park, right across the street. But I had to go in the other building and work until late at night making the albums. I sat there looking at the kids with tears running down my face and I would say, “I am trapped and I have to do this for the rest of my life. I am under contract.” But I wanted to go over there so bad it was killing me, just to make a friend to say, “Hi.” I used to walk the streets looking for someone to talk to. I told you that.

SB: How old were you?

MJ: It was during the Thriller album.

SB: So you were the biggest star in the whole world and. . .

MJ: I was looking for people to talk to. I was so lonely I would cry in my room upstairs. I would think, “That’s it. I am getting out of here,” and I would walk down the street. I remember really saying to people, “Will you be my friend?”

SB: They were probably in shock.


MJ: They were like, “Michael Jackson!” I would go, “Oh God! Are they going to be my friend because of Michael Jackson? Or because of me?” I just wanted someone to talk to. Already in this comment you could see the development of the two personalities that would forever collide in Michael’s person. There was Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, an aloof superstar who had everything and needed no one. And Michael Jackson, the shy kid under the mask, who lacked even a single real friend.

SB: Did you find it?

MJ: Yeah, well, I went to the park and there were kids playing on swings.

SB: So that’s when you decided that children were the answer. They are the only ones who treat you as a person?

MJ: Yeah. That’s true.

SB: So that’s the age that it hit you, “Oh my gosh. I did lose my childhood, because these are the only people I can identify with.”

MJ: I suffered a lot in that way. I knew that something was wrong with me at that time. But I needed someone ... That’s probably why I had the mannequins. I would say because I felt I needed people, someone, I didn’t have ... I was too shy to be around real people. I didn’t talk to them. It wasn’t like old ladies talking to plants. But I always thought I wanted something to make me feel like I had company. I always thought, “Why do I have these?” They are like real babies, kids, and people, and it makes me feel like I am in a room with people.

Realize the import of these words. Michael Jackson was so lonely that he turned to mannequins to feel like he had human company. That is the degree of isolation he experienced (and it’s an experience shared by many who make it to the top and lose connection to family, friends, and community).

Michael’s fear of his father
Shmuley Boteach: You know, Michael, I used to judge my father a lot and one day I stopped judging him because he had his own challenges. He has had a very difficult life that began in abject poverty in Iran. And it wasn’t easy for Jews growing up in Iran. Who knows what his childhood was like? Do you still judge your father?

Michael Jackson: I used to. I used to get so angry at him. I would just go in my room and just scream out of anger because I didn’t understand how a person could be so vicious and mean. Like sometimes I would be in bed sleeping, it would be 12 o’clock at night. I would have recorded all day, been singing all day, no fun, no play. He comes home late. “Open the door.” The door is locked. He said, “I am going to give you five seconds before I kick it down.” And he starts kicking it, breaking the door down.

He said, “Why didn’t you sign the contract?” I go, “I don’t know.” He goes, “Well, sign it. If you don’t sign it you are in trouble.” It’s like, “Oh my God, why? Where is the love? Where is the fatherhood?” I go, “Is it really this way?” He would throw you and hit you as hard as he can. He was very physical.

SB: Did you begin to feel that you were a moneymaking machine for him?

MJ: Yes, absolutely.

SB: Just like Macaulay Culkin described? So you felt used?

MJ: Yes. And one day — I hate to repeat it — but one day he said, and God bless my father because he did some wonderful things and he was brilliant, he was a genius, but one day he said, “If you guys ever stop singing I will drop you like a hot potato.” It hurt me. You would think he would think, “These kids have a heart and feelings.” Wouldn’t he think that would hurt us? If I said something like that to Prince and Paris that would hurt. You don’t say something like that to children and I never forgot it. It affects my relationship with him today.

SB: So that if you didn’t perform for him he would stop loving you?

MJ: He would drop us like a hot potato. That’s what he said.

SB: Did your mother always run over and say, “Don’t listen to him. He doesn’t mean it.”?
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MJ: She was always the one in the background when he would lose his temper — hitting us and beating us. I hear it now. [Adopts female voice.] “Joe, no, you are going to kill them. No! No, Joe, it’s too much,” and he would be breaking furniture and it was terrible. I always said if I ever have kids I will never behave like this way. I won’t touch a hair on their heads. Because people always say the abused abuse and it is not true. It is not true. I am totally the opposite. The worst I do is I make them stand in the corner for a little bit and that’s it and that’s my time out for them.

SB: I think you are right. I hate when I hear things like that the abused abuse. It means that you are condemned to be a bad person.

MJ: It’s not true. I always promised in my heart that I would never be this way, never. If — and it can be in a movie or in a department store — I hear someone arguing with their child, I break down and cry. Because it reflects how I was treated when I was little. I break down at that moment and I shake and I cry. I can’t take it. It is hard.


SB: When my parents divorced, we moved away and my father lived 3,500 miles away from us. And it was difficult to be close to him. But I love him, and I try never to judge him, and I have made a great effort to be much, much closer to him. We have to take seriously the Bible’s commandment to always honor our parents. The Bible doesn’t say, “Honor them if they’ve earned it.” It simply commands us to honor them. Just by virtue of them having given us life they have earned it.

MJ: I am scared of my father to this day. My father walked in the room — and God knows I am telling the truth — I have fainted in his presence many times. I have fainted once to be honest. I have thrown up in his presence because when he comes in the room and this aura comes and my stomach starts hurting and I know I am in trouble. He is so different now. Time and age has changed him and he sees his grandchildren and he wants to be a better father. It is almost like the ship has sailed its course and it is so hard for me to accept this other guy that is not the guy I was raised with. I just wished he had learned that earlier.

SB: So why are you still scared?

MJ: Because the scar is still there, the wound.

SB: So you still see him as the first man. It is hard for you to see him as this new man?

MJ: I can’t see him as the new man. I am like an angel in front of him, like scared. One day he said to me, “Why are you scared of me?” I couldn’t answer him. I felt like saying, “Do you know what you have done?” [voice breaks] “Do you know what you have done to me?”

The pain of performing, the pressure of staying on top
Shmuley Boteach: Do you always feel that you are always proving yourself, that you are always having to perform, that there is never rest, that you were never given that period where you could play without having to worry and to impress?

Michael Jackson: I love art. I love it too much. My mother knows that about me. I love painting and sculpting and all that stuff. I always got an A in Art and English. They were the two classes I always got an A-plus. I had very little school schooling other than my tutor. But the years I did have it, the teacher always used me as an example to the class of good English and good storytelling because we all had to write the same stories. But she used to make me go out front — which I hated — and read my story to the class and I would get huge applause. Not because of who I was but because they truly enjoyed the stories I wrote. I had a portfolio of all of that stuff because I am an artist, too, and I like to draw and paint. And somebody stole it and it broke my heart because I always wanted to save it. One day it will pop up somewhere because I am a realist and I am not abstract. There are people that I am in love with, totally in love with them. I would die for them. I love Michelangelo. I love Charlie Chaplin with all my heart. I love Walt Disney. These are the people I am nuts over. These are my people. I love the great ones.

SB: There is this phenomenal pressure. Do you always have to be Michael Jackson, 100 million album sales?

MJ: And the press, they wait with knives.

SB: For you to fail?

MJ: Absolutely. They try and shred me apart so it has to be beyond expectation, beyond brilliant. I give everything I have.

SB: But it wears you out?

MJ: Yeah. Because when you are the top-selling artist of all time, the records that are broken, they wait ... you are the target.

SB: What gives you rest, what gives you strength? Is it Prince and Paris?

MJ: Prince and Paris and children all over the world. Not just Prince and Paris — all children.

SB: Do you feel that if the next album is not amazing that you are not going to be special?

MJ: It would be a terrible blow to me [if I did not perform as well as I wish] because I put real pressure on myself and I demand the best out of myself. I really do. The best of the form or the medium that I work in, and I put a lot of pressure on myself. So to have that happen, if that was to happen, it would be psychologically destroying for me.

SB: But do you feel that people would still love you if you were not as successful? Would you still feel loved? A child has to feel loved even if he or she doesn’t do well at school.

MJ: Yes, I would, because of the past work. But I wouldn’t be comfortable with it. I try not to look at the past.

SB: Do you think that because of some of the things that you described to me, a very difficult childhood — without the birthdays, without the Christmases — that is why success in your career has become so important?

MJ: Probably. I think so.

SB: Do you think you punish yourself a bit too much, that’s why there is so much pain? You punish yourself immensely if things aren’t perfect?

MJ: I really do. I know that’s true. I’d rather be the one responsible for it because I have the final say and the final cut on everything. In the past it has been very successful. Oh God, but if that [diminishment of success] was to happen, I don’t know what I would do.

SB: But don’t you see, Michael, that’s what you have to get over.

MJ: I know, but I can’t get over it. It’s me. I’m not made that way.
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Reply #144 posted 09/25/09 7:31pm

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I'd like to purchase the audio version should it ever go onsale on iTunes.

I heard stories about Michael and LaToya playing the "let's imagine Joseph is dead game" apparently, and according to him, they all did it.

I never knew that he loved Brooke Shields so much. There was always so much back and forth with the whole "we're just friends" deal that that's what I eventually believed.

Also, I can totally agree with his not wanting to age or become old. I personally think of that all of the time. People like Marilyn Monroe, Anna Nichole Smith, Dorothy Dandridge...yes, they died young but they'll always be young and beautiful forever. The only part that bothered me about his saying it,is that he was a father with children that need him. He should've been more responsible.
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Reply #145 posted 09/25/09 8:00pm

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dearmother said:

anyone watching dateline

its brutal sad

i choked up when he was talking about joe

yea i saw it sad

i wish joe showed michael more love as a kid

michael was really special, he really LOVED kids in an innocent way. Nevrrland is beautiful the concept and everythign how can people be so vile.

michael really loved brooke, it's sad she only saw him as a friend

i still don't like lisa, telling MJ she'd have his kids them changing her mind

i hurt hearing how lonely michael felt sad

michael DID NOT die from an overdose, someone needs to send hollywood the memo so they can stop saying he died from painkillers and ISH like elvis and marilyn
[Edited 9/25/09 20:16pm]
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Reply #146 posted 09/25/09 8:11pm

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I think MJ lost the will to live and he had Dr. Death inject him in an assisted suicide.

Dr. Death should still rot behind bars.
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Reply #147 posted 09/25/09 8:38pm

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mimi07 said:

dearmother said:

anyone watching dateline

its brutal sad

i choked up when he was talking about joe

yea i saw it sad

i wish joe showed michael more love as a kid

michael was really special, he really LOVED kids in an innocent way. Nevrrland is beautiful the concept and everythign how can people be so vile.

michael really loved brooke, it's sad she only saw him as a friend

i still don't like lisa, telling MJ she'd have his kids them changing her mind

i hurt hearing how lonely michael felt sad

michael DID NOT die from an overdose, someone needs to send hollywood the memo so they can stop saying he died from painkillers and ISH like elvis and marilyn
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People still think Elvis & Marilyn were either poisoned or killed so MJ was far from the only one whose death is a suggested homicide.
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Reply #148 posted 09/25/09 9:09pm

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Timmy84 said:

mimi07 said:


yea i saw it sad

i wish joe showed michael more love as a kid

michael was really special, he really LOVED kids in an innocent way. Nevrrland is beautiful the concept and everythign how can people be so vile.

michael really loved brooke, it's sad she only saw him as a friend

i still don't like lisa, telling MJ she'd have his kids them changing her mind

i hurt hearing how lonely michael felt sad

michael DID NOT die from an overdose, someone needs to send hollywood the memo so they can stop saying he died from painkillers and ISH like elvis and marilyn
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People still think Elvis & Marilyn were either poisoned or killed so MJ was far from the only one whose death is a suggested homicide.


well as of now michael's is factual on a legal document
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Reply #149 posted 09/25/09 9:33pm

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Timmy84 said:



People still think Elvis & Marilyn were either poisoned or killed so MJ was far from the only one whose death is a suggested homicide.


well as of now michael's is factual on a legal document


True but let it be known how times have changed. If MJ had died at 50 in 1977 for suspected cardiac arrest and he was known to be a prescription pill popper, he'd been treated like Elvis.
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