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PrintableBoOTyLiCioUs said: midiscover said: *plays violin* Rebbie worked with MJ and so did Latoya. Latoya also worked with a couple of producers that were very popular in the 80's so don't blame the producers they just lack what Janet and MJ had. Talent. And Janet lacks that in the singing department. What chu talkin about Willis? Janet's is the best singer in the world! | |
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purplesweat said: SEANMAN said: The only disgusting thing is your belief that that is what she is doing. Do you think that everything she releases from now on will be "cashing in" on Michael's death? How pathetic. If anyone from that family doesn't need to cash in on MJ, it's Janet. She has had a career for years, and it should not stop because of the death of her beloved brother. If anything, he would want her to carry on. He would want everyone to carry on. Are you kidding, she's been bombing over and over since the superbowl incident, releasing the same tired over sexual crap album after album. Discipline was okay but got old very quickly. Now since Michael's died, every one of those damn Jacksons has been all over the media releasing new songs, appearing on TV shows, selling out to Entertainment Tonight, doing tell all interviews. I hope they thank Michael for the publicity boost, he died giving it to them! The Jacksons had already been on television, releasing new singles, appearing on tv shows and doing Entertainment Tonight and interviews BEFORE Michael died. They were doing a reality show BEFORE Michael died. Latoya had hosted The View, appeared on Big Brother and did a reality show called Armed and famous. Jermaine also appeared on an Australian American Idol, Big Brother, appeared on a Debarge documentary and other talk shows. | |
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midiscover said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: And Janet lacks that in the singing department. What chu talkin about Willis? Janet's is the best singer in the world!  | |
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purplesweat said: SEANMAN said: Am I kidding? No. But you must be if you think Janet of all people is releasing a friggin' single to cash in on MJ's death. "Every one of the damn Jacksons," as you put it, have not reached the star status that Janet has, either. So, while their sudden appearances might be suspect, Janet Jackson releasing a single is not. She has a greatest hits CD coming out in a couple of months, and a film and new album next year. These projects were in the works BEFORE Michael died. BEFORE. B-E-F-O-R-E. Save your unnecessary negativity for another time. You think anyone would've cared either way what Janet released if Mike was still here? His 50 shows sold out quicker than you could say "Latoya", whens the last time Janet sold anything like that? Didn't she cancel her last tour? I find it very suspicious that Janet chose to release this song the day of her VMA performance. "You liked that performance? BUY MY NEW SINGLE!" Gross. Janet didn't release it. Her record company did. | |
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Layzie said: NoVideo said: You're exactly right, but folks don't wanna see it. People have been leeching off Michael for decades and after his death its like the vultures are circling to see how they can get their piece. Oh yeah, VMA's "tribute" to MJ and the same day release a new single and make a big push for the GH? How very touching. Yeah it may have been in the works before MJ's death, but there is clearly a concerted effort to tie it into the hoopla and hysteria surrounding MJ's new film. Why not delay it until the start of 2010? But ahhh that wouldn't be maximizing the exposure. The commercialization and bloodsucking never stops, but then it never did when it came to MJ. It's all about money and ego and it won't ever stop. People are going to be making $$$$$ off of MJ's talent and success for many years to come. If Janet Jackson - with her voice - didn't have a famous name and had walked into a record company office and said "ya know, I think i wanna be a singer" they'd have laughed in her face, because the fact of the matter is that the ONLY reason she ever had a shot in the music industry was because of her last name, and who was responsible ultimately for that fame? Michael. [Edited 9/27/09 20:10pm] I've always liked Janet, but I have to agree. I always found it ridiculous how, back in the day, she would say in interviews that she believed that her last name made it harder for her. As if being a Jackson held her back somehow. I wanted to say, "Bitch, if your last name wasn't Jackson and your pops didn't have the resources to pull in Jimmy, Terry, and Paula you'd be the assisstant manger at White Castle back in Gary. No. She's right. The Jackson name DID make it harder for her. That's the reason the other Jackson siblings were not as successful. Unless, they were Michael, no one cared about them. They lived in the shadow of Michael. However, It was different for Janet. Janet managed to overcome this and become a superstar in her own right. Also, there are MANY artists who would be an assistant manager at White Castle had it not been for their producers or choregrapher. However, it doesn't take away the fact that Janet is super talented and a legend and an ICON. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: Timmy84 said: Yeah Joe definitely helped her get the deal back in 1981. yeah but it was joe jackson, father of michael jackson. HELLO? Saw his name and thought they could have another Michael clone. Janet got a record deal just like many other artists, they took a chance on her. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: midiscover said: What chu talkin about Willis? Janet's is the best singer in the world! 
That has nothing to do with her singing. I guess that means you agree that she's the best singer in the world?  | |
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midiscover said: Arnotts said: Thats exactly what I said, why don't you read it again? She was NOT a success because of Michaael. That happened because she was talented. But she DID get her start becasue of him. If he wasnt successful no one would of given her a record deal. No, she didn't. It was because of Joe. If it wasn't for her families (minus those other girls) status in the industry. Joe made the deal with A&M! There's no need to look for reasons to discredit Janet. MJ isn't the only talented one in that family! Mmmkay! Joe would no have been able to get her a record deal if Michael was not a success. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: Arnotts said: Thats exactly what I said, why don't you read it again? She was NOT a success because of Michaael. That happened because she was talented. But she DID get her start becasue of him. If he wasnt successful no one would of given her a record deal. i agree she could dance but her voice is on the borderline of bad. All three jackson gurls had talent. I believe that Rebbie has the best voice out all three. I was listening to latoya's early 80s tracks and a lot of them are quite good. They all can dance. If either one of them rebbie or latoya had the resources such as certain producers and choregraphers..they could of been as sucessful as janet. Good producers-Jam and Lewis and choregraphers-Paula Abdul really helped janet go a long way. They all had talent to an extent but not even close to the level of Michael. Natural talent is what Janet lacked. I disagree. Janet has a great voice. And all singers have resources of certain producers and choregraphers. Beyonce has producers and choregraphers who have helped her as well. All the Jacksons are very talented and Janet does have natural talent. Janet's success and talents are due to her hardwork and natrual raw talent. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: midiscover said: Rebie and Latoya could've been as successful as Janet? Janet lacks natural talent? 
Lawd!! You just won't give up, huh? yeah they could of been. They all can dance. Rebbie is the best singer out of all three of them. Great producers can work wonders. I disagree. Janet is a great singer as well. | |
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midiscover said: Arnotts said: Thats exactly what I said, why don't you read it again? She was NOT a success because of Michaael. That happened because she was talented. But she DID get her start becasue of him. If he wasnt successful no one would of given her a record deal. No, she didn't. It was because of Joe. If it wasn't for her families (minus those other girls) status in the industry. Joe made the deal with A&M! There's no need to look for reasons to discredit Janet. MJ isn't the only talented one in that family! Mmmkay! I agree. All the Jacksons are talented. However, Janet has a natural raw talent and she and Michael are both supertalentd and LEGENDS. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: midiscover said: *plays violin* Rebbie worked with MJ and so did Latoya. Latoya also worked with a couple of producers that were very popular in the 80's so don't blame the producers they just lack what Janet and MJ had. Talent. And Janet lacks that in the singing department. Not true. Janet is very talented in the singing department. I like her voice much better than Beyonce's voice. | |
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Arnotts said: midiscover said: No, she didn't. It was because of Joe. If it wasn't for her families (minus those other girls) status in the industry. Joe made the deal with A&M! There's no need to look for reasons to discredit Janet. MJ isn't the only talented one in that family! Mmmkay! Joe would no have been able to get her a record deal if Michael was not a success. Um no! He wouldn't have gotten if he wasn't Joe. It was because the Jackson 5/Jacksons were so successful. MJ released Off the wall just 2 years before and Joe wasn't his manager. It has nothing to do with MJ. Why do you feel the need to credit MJ for everything? Let it go. | |
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midiscover said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: And Janet lacks that in the singing department. What chu talkin about Willis? Janet's is the best singer in the world! I agree. Janet has an amazing singing voice. | |
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Arnotts said: midiscover said: No, she didn't. It was because of Joe. If it wasn't for her families (minus those other girls) status in the industry. Joe made the deal with A&M! There's no need to look for reasons to discredit Janet. MJ isn't the only talented one in that family! Mmmkay! Joe would no have been able to get her a record deal if Michael was not a success. How do you know? Other singers get record deals, like Beyonce, Amerie, Madonna, Ashanti, Brittany Spears, Lady Gaga, Jennifer Lopez, why not Janet Jackson? | |
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Sprite said: Arnotts said: Joe would no have been able to get her a record deal if Michael was not a success. How do you know? Other singers get record deals, like Beyonce, Amerie, Madonna, Ashanti, Brittany Spears, Lady Gaga, Jennifer Lopez, why not Janet Jackson? This was back in the 80's though when it wasnt normal for not very good singers to get deals. Madonna was special as she had that special something and worked hard in the clubs before her break. These days Janet would of got a record deal without her famous brothers, but back then there was just nothing special about her other then the Jackson name. People dont understand me, I'm not one of those that thinks everything she achieved is because of Michael. Thats not possible. Her talent gave her the success. But people didnt realise she was talented untill she broke out on her own. When she first started recording it was purely because she was a person related to Michael and they were willing to give her a chance just like the untalented Latoya. | |
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Arnotts said: Sprite said: How do you know? Other singers get record deals, like Beyonce, Amerie, Madonna, Ashanti, Brittany Spears, Lady Gaga, Jennifer Lopez, why not Janet Jackson? This was back in the 80's though when it wasnt normal for not very good singers to get deals. Madonna was special as she had that special something and worked hard in the clubs before her break. These days Janet would of got a record deal without her famous brothers, but back then there was just nothing special about her other then the Jackson name. People dont understand me, I'm not one of those that thinks everything she achieved is because of Michael. Thats not possible. Her talent gave her the success. But people didnt realise she was talented untill she broke out on her own. When she first started recording it was purely because she was a person related to Michael and they were willing to give her a chance just like the untalented Latoya. And?? Janet said that she got the record deal because of Joe. and it was because she was related to The Jackson brothers. No need to throw shade on Claymation nation (Jermaine)! But there's no need to bring this up on every Janet thread. There's nothing you're proving. | |
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midiscover said: Arnotts said: This was back in the 80's though when it wasnt normal for not very good singers to get deals. Madonna was special as she had that special something and worked hard in the clubs before her break. These days Janet would of got a record deal without her famous brothers, but back then there was just nothing special about her other then the Jackson name. People dont understand me, I'm not one of those that thinks everything she achieved is because of Michael. Thats not possible. Her talent gave her the success. But people didnt realise she was talented untill she broke out on her own. When she first started recording it was purely because she was a person related to Michael and they were willing to give her a chance just like the untalented Latoya. And?? Janet said that she got the record deal because of Joe. and it was because she was related to The Jackson brothers. No need to throw shade on Claymation nation (Jermaine)! But there's no need to bring this up on every Janet thread. There's nothing you're proving. I didnt bring it up. I started out saying that to defend Janet from people saying she wouldnt of been successful without Michael. But I admitted he did help get her started. You seemed to pick up on the last thing and tried to challenge it, and completely ignored the positive, so I was just defending what I originally said. And now you've finally admitted all that I said was right so I don't get why you even picked the argument in the first place. | |
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Arnotts said: midiscover said: And?? Janet said that she got the record deal because of Joe. and it was because she was related to The Jackson brothers. No need to throw shade on Claymation nation (Jermaine)! But there's no need to bring this up on every Janet thread. There's nothing you're proving. I didnt bring it up. I started out saying that to defend Janet from people saying she wouldnt of been successful without Michael. But I admitted he did help get her started. You seemed to pick up on the last thing and tried to challenge it, and completely ignored the positive, so I was just defending what I originally said. And now you've finally admitted all that I said was right so I don't get why you even picked the argument in the first place. How did he help if Janet Jackson and Dream Street flopped?  | |
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Sprite said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: yeah but it was joe jackson, father of michael jackson. HELLO? Saw his name and thought they could have another Michael clone. Janet got a record deal just like many other artists, they took a chance on her. Yeah Janet's situation wasn't exactly unique either. Plus her first album besides from a few OFF THE WALL nods didn't feature any "Jackson" on it. I know Marlon was all over the next one. But it's what John McClain (not MJ's executor) did for Janet that alter the course of her career forever. Joseph Jackson and Michael Jackson had nothing to do with it. And Janet already cited MJ (and Jermaine) as some of her big influences, as if that's a surprise.  [Edited 9/27/09 23:07pm] | |
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midiscover said: Arnotts said: I didnt bring it up. I started out saying that to defend Janet from people saying she wouldnt of been successful without Michael. But I admitted he did help get her started. You seemed to pick up on the last thing and tried to challenge it, and completely ignored the positive, so I was just defending what I originally said. And now you've finally admitted all that I said was right so I don't get why you even picked the argument in the first place. How did he help if Janet Jackson and Dream Street flopped? To get the record deal! Stop evading the point! If Michael wasnt successful they would never have signed her. If all the Jacksons were failing they would of thought she wouldnt have a chance and so would not have singed her. But he was successful, so they signed her, she flopped, then broke out on her own and became a success becasue of talent. Why is that so hard for your brain to comprehend? Its the same with Latoya. You cant honestly say she would of got a contract without the Jackson name. The only difference is she had no talent so could not break out on her own. [Edited 9/27/09 23:17pm] | |
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I hate to be frank but IMHO, Joe Jackson was no better than Mathew Knowles and Joe Simpson. He couldn't make ALL of his kids stars. The only thing he really can be credited for is THE JACKSON 5 and signing Janet and La Toya into solo careers. The difference is in the way the sisters managed their careers: La Toya kept flopping because she never really got direction. Janet was the same way until 1986 and that's because she hooked up with Jimmy & Terry musically, Paula Abdul choreography wise, found great video directors and successfully manage to make a dramatic entrance with Control. It actually took me three years (ages 2-5) to realize MJ and Janet were actually SIBLINGS. I thought they were married, or he and La Toya were, I didn't know no better then.
Michael and Janet and Jermaine were the only members of the Jackson family to have solo success and MJ and JJ are the only consistent hitmakers. Can't we just accept they're the first family of pop and move on? | |
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Arnotts said: midiscover said: How did he help if Janet Jackson and Dream Street flopped? To get the record deal! Stop evading the point! If Michael wasnt successful they would never have signed her. If all the Jacksons were failing they would of thought she wouldnt have a chance and so would not have singed her. But he was successful, so they signed her, she flopped, then broke out on her own and became a success becasue of talent. Why is that so hard for your brain to comprehend? Its the same with Latoya. You cant honestly say she would of got a contract without the Jackson name. The only difference is she had no talent so could not break out on her own. [Edited 9/27/09 23:17pm] But listen! You are acting like MJ was the only one with talent! Why did the Jackson 5 get signed? Because of MJ too
It was Joe, Joe and Joe! Janet got signed because of him. It has nothing to do with MJ's success because at the time he was still with the Jacksons and his popularity didn't reach it's pinnacle till the mid 80's. Jermaine got the group Switch signed to Motown did he have that power because he's MJ's brother too? | |
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midiscover said: Arnotts said: To get the record deal! Stop evading the point! If Michael wasnt successful they would never have signed her. If all the Jacksons were failing they would of thought she wouldnt have a chance and so would not have singed her. But he was successful, so they signed her, she flopped, then broke out on her own and became a success becasue of talent. Why is that so hard for your brain to comprehend? Its the same with Latoya. You cant honestly say she would of got a contract without the Jackson name. The only difference is she had no talent so could not break out on her own. [Edited 9/27/09 23:17pm] But listen! You are acting like MJ was the only one with talent! Why did the Jackson 5 get signed? Because of MJ too
It was Joe, Joe and Joe! Janet got signed because of him. It has nothing to do with MJ's success because at the time he was still with the Jacksons and his popularity didn't reach it's pinnacle till the mid 80's. Jermaine got the group Switch signed to Motown did he have that power because he's MJ's brother too? Yes the Jackon 5 DID get signed because of Michael. Are you really that dimwitted? If Michael wasnt talented they wouldnt have signed the band no matter how much Joe helped. I'm not acting like Michaels the only one with talent. I've stated repeatedly that its Janets talent that gave her success, man its like talking to a 5 year old. BUT she wouldnt of even had a chance to show her talent if Michael wasnt the talent or success that he was. You can give the credit to Joe all you want but the only reason he has any credit was because he was the father of Michael Jackson. | |
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Why does every Janet thread have to be derailed?  Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: SEANMAN said: No, Bootyhater, u need to chill. First of all, I have NEVER said anything about Latoya, period. So maybe u should clarify and specify exactly who it is that u mean. Secondly, it is not "disgusting" to release a single. What, will every single she releases from now on be "disgusting?" Give me a break. U speak about people defending everything Janet does, but you, on the other hand, seem intent on dogging the woman, and for what reason I have no clue. Nepotism has been a part of show business forever, and while Janet had connections, people have begrudged her success because of those connections from day one. She could have been another Rebbie, or Latoya, or any one of her brothers other than Michael, but she emerged a superstar because of her talent. Oh, and John McClain hooked her up with Jimmy, Terry and Paula...not Joe Jackson. It's called homework, people. [Edited 9/27/09 20:59pm] like i said earlier, chill. SERIOUSLY. You attacked purplesweat for no reason. It's his opinion....deal with it. I like Janet's older work...90's, Control and some tracks off of Rhythm Nation. I don't like what's she turned into now and how Janet diehards will defend every single move that she does. u need to face reality. No, sweetheart, I think you are the one who needs to CHILL pronto. Everything you have to say is laced with negativity, and it's completely transparent, unwarranted and unnecessary. If you think what I said was an attack, then maybe you need to develop a thicker skin. Stop being a diehard hater. It makes you old before your time and causes major stress. You do nothing but come onto the Janet threads and spout stupid negative shit. No one wants to hear that u think she can't sing, or her connections are the ONLY reason she's now an icon, etc, etc. Deal with that. Oh, and she can sing... check this video at 2:14 Oh, and Make Me is now on i-tunes and Amazon [Edited 9/28/09 6:31am] [Edited 9/28/09 6:32am] [Edited 9/28/09 6:34am] "Get up off that grey line" | |
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midiscover said: Arnotts said: This was back in the 80's though when it wasnt normal for not very good singers to get deals. Madonna was special as she had that special something and worked hard in the clubs before her break. These days Janet would of got a record deal without her famous brothers, but back then there was just nothing special about her other then the Jackson name. People dont understand me, I'm not one of those that thinks everything she achieved is because of Michael. Thats not possible. Her talent gave her the success. But people didnt realise she was talented untill she broke out on her own. When she first started recording it was purely because she was a person related to Michael and they were willing to give her a chance just like the untalented Latoya. And?? Janet said that she got the record deal because of Joe. and it was because she was related to The Jackson brothers. No need to throw shade on Claymation nation (Jermaine)! But there's no need to bring this up on every Janet thread. There's nothing you're proving. And you know the 'jackson 5' only got a record deal because of Joe Jackson.If it weren't for him Michael would have been a kindergarden teacher or something. It's not like he had the charisma or balls to seek out a record deal by himself no matter how talented he was. | |
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Moonbeam said: Why does every Janet thread have to be derailed?
I'm wondering the same  | |
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midiscover said: MJ wasn't even that huge when Janet got her record deal! Give it a rest people! Janet shits on all your favs PERIOD!
go sit down and hush up, child.  | |
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Sprite said: Layzie said: I've always liked Janet, but I have to agree. I always found it ridiculous how, back in the day, she would say in interviews that she believed that her last name made it harder for her. As if being a Jackson held her back somehow. I wanted to say, "Bitch, if your last name wasn't Jackson and your pops didn't have the resources to pull in Jimmy, Terry, and Paula you'd be the assisstant manger at White Castle back in Gary. No. She's right. The Jackson name DID make it harder for her. That's the reason the other Jackson siblings were not as successful. Unless, they were Michael, no one cared about them. They lived in the shadow of Michael. However, It was different for Janet. Janet managed to overcome this and become a superstar in her own right. Also, there are MANY artists who would be an assistant manager at White Castle had it not been for their producers or choregrapher. However, it doesn't take away the fact that Janet is super talented and a legend and an ICON. I agree that Janet is talented, and I believe that she's an innovator. And I'm sure that trying to create her own lane and get out of MJ's shadow was a challenge. I just disagree that her last name was a obstacle for her. And at one point in time people did care about the Jacksons. If being a Jackson was such an obstacle, how else did LeToya get a record deal? But still even with her name, she wouldn't have gotten anywhere without her talent and obviously her drive.I only meant that her last name helped her compared to others trying to get record deals. [Edited 9/28/09 13:13pm] | |
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