ehuffnsd said:

You think she'd be inducted in 2011?

midiscover said:

If not for Jam & Lewis, Janet would have released another disposable R&B/pop album like Dream Street that would have disappeared w/out a trace.

Jam & Lewis were the creative power that made Janet's rise possible. Janet brought to the table her appearance, personality and family name.

Timmy84 said:

yup. not before. Janet Jackson and Dreamstreet are even forgotten by her most of the time.

ehuffnsd said:

Gotcha.

Janet simply doesn't have the qualifications to be inducted in it, she is not a mainly a significant songwriter, if they inducted her it would be a miracle.

NoVideo said:

Ehh Dream Street is good album it reminds me of a Prince record! You clearly are just passing judgment without even listening to her!

You act like Jam and Lewis did all the work for Janet!! Writing and producing! Eh BULLSHIT! Janet put them on the map case closed. She writes and co-produced with them. Black Cat was all Janet and co-produced by Jellybean Johnson.

Get a clue.

Well, Janet's doing somethin right to have folks writing paragraphs on how she doesn't deserve to be in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame (with the same ole bullshit)!

seeingvoices12 said:

Should I remind you they inducted Percy Sledge? And he's released, what, just one hit record? True Janet's not of MJ status or the status of some Hall of Fame inductees, but without comparison, Janet's done enough to get in. Hell Madonna's in. Might as well.
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seeingvoices12 said:

not true she's broken enough records. she just doesn't deserve to get in until her breakthrough album is eligible.

midiscover said:

I'm familiar w/ Dream Street and all her albums. As I said, I enjoy Janet but in my opinion she is not hall of fame material. Time will tell.

trueiopian said:

Noticed how her threads are the hot topics on this part of the board
They cravin her!!

NoVideo said:

I think there's some who are IN the hall of fame that I don't think are either but I think JJ does have some stamp in it. Just my personal opinion. But I would hope that artists like Mary Wells or The Marvelettes or Labelle or Donna Summer get in next year if Janet doesn't.

Timmy84 said:

So if they inducted percy sledge or madonna that means that what they are doing is right, its not right, everything changed these days, giving awards to people who doesn't deserve it, I though fall of fame was different , but its obviously the same shit, madonna doesn't desrve to be inducted too.....that sucks.

seeingvoices12 said:

You....

Timmy84 said:

The Hall of Fame is in some ways very inconsistent. There are certain areas of music that they clearly believe is well beneath their notice.

Specifically, progressive rock and alternative/new wave. It's an absolute crime that Rush is not in the R&R Hall of Fame. And many of the influential and important new wave/post-punk bands and artists have been eligible for quite some time.

I'm not saying JJ won't make the Hall of Fame, she very well might. But if I were given a vote, she wouldn't be close to the top of the list any time soon just because of how many other great artists who aren't inducted yet.

NoVideo said:

Oh no I get you. I understand why some would say what they say. At the end it's all opinions.

midiscover said:

You are incredibly rude and obnoxious, fans like you give me the creeps, STOP QUOTING MY POSTS FROM NOW ON,Im not interested in anything you say, and you never added something informative to any discusiion, all what you do is insulting, grow Up .

STOP QUOTING MY POSTS.

NoVideo said:

the HOF is supposed to be based on accomplishments and influence, remove whatever bias you may have towards janet and tell me with a straight face her career accomplishments shouldnt make her a lock for the HOF.i dont care how long its been since she put out a decent record, she never has to release another record and she should still be in the hall.why do people always wanna give janet's producers the credit for her career? if you gonna do that then you have to do it with every other artist. janet is one of the top 10 most successful artists in the rock era and she dont deserve to be in the HOF? GTFOH
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seeingvoices12 said:

So cute!! You come on every Janet thread to give some low blow! I'm just tellin you to save your trouble and just

Timmy84 said:

Indeed. However, Janet was an icon for well over a decade, and I think she deserves serious consideration. I think one of the biggest faults of music journalism over the past few decades has been an increasing tendency to focus solely on music that appeals to the brain. Stuff like that is great, but great music can appeal to the heart and to the feet as well.

Moonbeam said:

I can agree with that! And you're absolutely right about Janet being an icon. I do believe she should get in.
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ehuffnsd said:

i agree, the people saying she dont deserve to get in are buggin

midiscover said:

I have already reported you to the mods, This is the first time I report soemone to the mods since I joined this board but you deserve it ,you crossed the line with your outrageous childish behaviour,enough already...GOD.

lowkey said:

You're hurting me with all your sense!!

I don't get it either! 1. She has the hits! She's tied in with Elton John with 27 top 10 hits (Mariah just entered it in the same slot today with Obsessed ) 2. her influence is all over Pop and R&B (Britney, Ciara, Beyonce, P!nk, Mya, Christina Aguilara, *NSYNC, Usher etc. etc) 3. She has the timeless music (Control, Rhythm Nation, The Velvet Rope, janet.)

Now I don't see how anyone can say she doesn't deserve her name in that Hall!

seeingvoices12 said:

I'm cryin' so bad

Didn't you report Truopian?

midiscover said:

um, well for the first 2 albums they did together, they DID do most of it, as evidenced by her name coming in 3rd in the songwriting credits. hell, most of Control was written for another singer before Janet even met up with them.

as for putting them on the map, they were successful songwriters/producers before Janet came along.

yes, Janet and Jam/Lewis took each other to the next level, but neither would be recognizable names without the other.

errant said:

yeah but why do this only seem to apply to janet? she is not the only artist to work with producers, this makes no sense. if you use this logic with everybody thats in the HOF that would wipe out the entire motown family (motown had their own hit making factory) shit elvis, who has been crowned 'the king of rock & roll' didnt produce his records. the double standard janet gets is crazy

Most of the Motown hits were written by others too. The Supremes never wrote their hits, lol Not everybody can be Prince, a Beatle, a member of Pink Floyd, or a MJ, lol

lowkey said:

i didn't say she didn't deserve to get in. i was addressing someone's specific points about who did what.

errant said:

Actually, Janet wrote most the material on Control with Jam and Lewis. It's about her life story. Jam & Lewis had the beats made out already. Not the actual songs. Janet filled that void.

All I'm saying is. Just because Jam & Lewis were with Janet doesn't mean y'all should discredit her. It's her vision. Her art. Not everyone is a Prince, Stevie Wonder and other people that can be locked in a studio and just flow

And they weren't much successful before they met Janet. That's why John McClain introduced them to Janet. They wanted nothing extravagant.

There's actually an interview of Jam saying that Janet writes a majority of her songs and that they both weren't on top of their game when they worked on Control. So it's not fair to even say Jam & Lewis made Janet. When their resume didn't have much.