Riverpoet31 said: The Beatles - Sgt. Peppers
In terms of sonical experiments and studio trickery it might have been a 'landmark' album, but Revolver and Abbey Road (and maybe also Rubber Soul) are better albums in terms of songwriting and consistency. I think Sgt Pepper is much more consistent than Revolver, but Revolver is a better collection of songs. My Legacy
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NDRU said: This album doesn't get as much hype as it used to, but growing up it was always mentioned as "one of the greatest ever"
I agree with that one - I tried to get into Richard Thompson for years, and I really do like certain songs when I'm in the right mood, but for the most part his stuff never really comes together for me. I do think "I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight" is a mostly great album - far better than Shoot Out the Lights, which I think has a few really mediocre songs on it (Did She Jump & Back Street Slide). | |
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You can't possibly "overrate" landmark albums that come along and change the game. | |
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Timmy84 said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: Has anyone noticed that it's only with Michael Jackson...that it must be a bad album just because it didn't sell 500 billion like thriller did? Britney's first album sold like 20 million but critics rate Blackout as her best album.
Yeah and that's crazy because I consider Dangerous and HIStory to have some very great material in it. Even Invincible had some cuts in it. But they always focus on sales when it comes to MJ. Quite frankly, I think you can blame Michael for that. Michael was always talking about how, the next project has to be BETTER than "Thriller". Everyone else heard this and jumped on the bandwagon. When you look at an album like, "Invincible", which has sold 13 million to date, that is really not bad. Tell me what artist would not mind their album selling 13 million copies? If Michael had focused on music others would have followed suit. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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Cinnie said: You can't possibly "overrate" landmark albums that come along and change the game.
i always say that there is a tendency in certain circles to overrate the greatest things (music, movies, philosophy, books, tv, what have you) that ever happened to the world | |
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Pretty much anything by U2 or The Beatles, not saying there isn't good material there. But the generic genius/idol like status these bands have is just too much.
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sometimes i wonder if we acknowledge the difference between music we think is actually overrated and music that is rated perfectly, but was so popular and lauded that we got completely burned out on it. | |
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I want to add Anita Baker's "Rapture" album to the list. Also, Whitney Houston's debut cd. People are always raving about these 2. Not saying they are bad albums, because they aren't, I just think they're overrated. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Anxiety said: sometimes i wonder if we acknowledge the difference between music we think is actually overrated and music that is rated perfectly, but was so popular and lauded that we got completely burned out on it.
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daPrettyman said: I want to add Anita Baker's "Rapture" album to the list. Also, Whitney Houston's debut cd. People are always raving about these 2. Not saying they are bad albums, because they aren't, I just think they're overrated.
I would have to disagree with you there. I label an album, "overrated", when the tracks on it, have not aged well. I still play the HELL out of "Rapture", can't say the same about "Thriller" "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: daPrettyman said: I want to add Anita Baker's "Rapture" album to the list. Also, Whitney Houston's debut cd. People are always raving about these 2. Not saying they are bad albums, because they aren't, I just think they're overrated.
I would have to disagree with you there. I label an album, "overrated", when the tracks on it, have not aged well. I still play the HELL out of "Rapture", can't say the same about "Thriller" I NEVER play Rapture at all. Sure, the music is timeless, but I can't hardly stomach the songs on that album. I love "The Songstress", "Compositions" and "Giving You The Best That I Got" a lot, but I can do without Rapture. To me, that album is/was played so much on Urban AC radio when the format first got big that I don't care if I ever hear those songs ever again. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: shorttrini said: I would have to disagree with you there. I label an album, "overrated", when the tracks on it, have not aged well. I still play the HELL out of "Rapture", can't say the same about "Thriller" I NEVER play Rapture at all. Sure, the music is timeless, but I can't hardly stomach the songs on that album. I love "The Songstress", "Compositions" and "Giving You The Best That I Got" a lot, but I can do without Rapture. To me, that album is/was played so much on Urban AC radio when the format first got big that I don't care if I ever hear those songs ever again. I guess that the difference then. I stopped listening to the radio, a long time ago. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: shorttrini said: As much as I hate to admin it, I would have to add, "Thriller" to this list. It is not as good as "Off The Wall" and has not aged as well either. Had it not been released, I think Michael would have not have had that pressure to top it and would have released more consistent material.
Off the Wall is a masterpiece and nobody can touch it. Michael's best work by far. No track on that album is bad and cannot skip. The Girl is Mine, Baby Be Mine = I think the reason why the album did so well is because of the promotion- Motown 25 and Thriller video. A lot of people got the album because it was the "in" thing to do. It's a solid album but not Michael's best. I noticed by reading old reviews before Motown 25 and when the album first came out and they didn't rate it as high....now they rate it as being his best or so great because it sold so much. Like I said earlier, a lot of people weren't buying that album because it was the greatest of all time...they were buying it because it was the "in" thing to do. Like Randy Taberolli said Thriller became the household stamp. I actually love "Baby Be Mine". Very upbeat and Temperton's synths are great. I skip "Girlfriend" all the time on Off The Wall. It's like a sore thumb on a perfect album. With that said, I can see why people would say Thriller is overrated though. I don't think it is, but I do buy the argument. Miseducation of Lauryn Hill I also definitely agree with. Also, don't kill me... but Sign O the Times. I've tried very hard to get into that album and outside of about 4 or 5 tracks.. I just am not feeling it. If people think Stevie's 80's work or Jackson's 80's work has aged badly, that album is right up there with it. I love most of his stuff before and after 'Sign', but that album... I'm just not feeling it. | |
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It remains laugable of course that people who think Janet Jackson and Debarge are great artists can judge about good music. | |
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shorttrini said: daPrettyman said: I NEVER play Rapture at all. Sure, the music is timeless, but I can't hardly stomach the songs on that album. I love "The Songstress", "Compositions" and "Giving You The Best That I Got" a lot, but I can do without Rapture. To me, that album is/was played so much on Urban AC radio when the format first got big that I don't care if I ever hear those songs ever again. I guess that the difference then. I stopped listening to the radio, a long time ago. It didn't help that I was working in radio at that time and played at least two Anita songs per hour and 2 Luther songs per hour. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Riverpoet31 said: It remains laugable of course that people who think Janet Jackson and Debarge are great artists can judge about good music.
Who do you consider a great artist (other than P of course)? **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Cinnie said: Anxiety said: sometimes i wonder if we acknowledge the difference between music we think is actually overrated and music that is rated perfectly, but was so popular and lauded that we got completely burned out on it.
damn, CB that's some deepdeep ya know what i mean though? after 20 years of listening to something all the time, eventually it's going to get old and stale to my ears. that's not the music's fault! | |
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I agree with that one - I tried to get into Richard Thompson for years, and I really do like certain songs when I'm in the right mood, but for the most part his stuff never really comes together for me.
I do think "I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight" is a mostly great album - far better than Shoot Out the Lights, which I think has a few really mediocre songs on it (Did She Jump & Back Street Slide). As much as I love Richard Thompsons music, I dont think he has ever recorded an album that can be called a 'classic' in its entirety. But when it comes to certain individual songs he has produced he sure has left his stamp: wall of death, dimming of the day and beeswing, to name a few, are splendid songs. And when it comes to his guitar-work, he is so very underrated. His song 'The way it shows' has a guitar-solo that is so brilliant and mesmerizing, that it puts any guitar solo by Prince to shame. | |
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Anxiety said: sometimes i wonder if we acknowledge the difference between music we think is actually overrated and music that is rated perfectly, but was so popular and lauded that we got completely burned out on it.
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daPrettyman said: Riverpoet31 said: It remains laugable of course that people who think Janet Jackson and Debarge are great artists can judge about good music.
Who do you consider a great artist (other than P of course)? John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Monk, Django Reinhardt, Marvin Gaye just for a start. | |
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I don't listen to much of the albums that are always rated high. | |
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Ellie said: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Amen. It's the only album of theirs I've heard all the way through, and I was pulling my hair out by the end of it. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Moonbeam said: Ellie said: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Amen. It's the only album of theirs I've heard all the way through, and I was pulling my hair out by the end of it. plus the obligatory gagging and puking sounds and trying to drown it out with Dead Or Alive, i assume... | |
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shorttrini said: As much as I hate to admit it, I would have to add, "Thriller" to this list. It is not as good as "Off The Wall" and has not aged as well either. Had it not been released, I think Michael would have not have had that pressure to top it and would have released more consistent material.
[Edited 9/10/09 14:21pm] Preach that shit! OTW was Michael at his best, bringing the dance AND the funk. | |
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errant said: Moonbeam said: Amen. It's the only album of theirs I've heard all the way through, and I was pulling my hair out by the end of it. plus the obligatory gagging and puking sounds and trying to drown it out with Dead Or Alive, i assume... I was hostage to The Beatles while working in a computer lab at the University of Utah, and someone brought this in and thought we all needed to hear it. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Imago said: LoveSexy - Prince Really? REALLY? Outside of fans, it's hardly considered even a good album. I think it holds its own among the best of Prince's 80s work. Scary Monsters - David Bowie That's his best album! Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Riverpoet31 said: I agree with that one - I tried to get into Richard Thompson for years, and I really do like certain songs when I'm in the right mood, but for the most part his stuff never really comes together for me.
I do think "I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight" is a mostly great album - far better than Shoot Out the Lights, which I think has a few really mediocre songs on it (Did She Jump & Back Street Slide). As much as I love Richard Thompsons music, I dont think he has ever recorded an album that can be called a 'classic' in its entirety. But when it comes to certain individual songs he has produced he sure has left his stamp: wall of death, dimming of the day and beeswing, to name a few, are splendid songs. And when it comes to his guitar-work, he is so very underrated. His song 'The way it shows' has a guitar-solo that is so brilliant and mesmerizing, that it puts any guitar solo by Prince to shame. He has definitely written some brilliant songs, no question. I'm not a musician, so I'm in no way fit to judge his guitar playing, but I've played some of the live tracks off of Watching the Dark for two guitarist acquaintances on separate occasions and they both said it was the best playing they'd ever heard in their life. | |
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purple rain is not overrated You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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This thread is more overrated than the majority of the albums listed. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Who do you consider a great artist (other than P of course)?
Compared to empty, shallow R&B shit like Janet Jackson and Debarge you mean? Were do I start? Otis Redding, Al Green, Sly Stone, The Beatles, The Byrds, Big Star, Joni Mitchell, Nick Drake, Van Morrison, Prince, REM, Urban Dance Squad, Lyle Lovett, Deus, Jayhawks, Bjork, Matthew Sweet, King's X, Crowded House, Gavin Friday, Kate Rusby, Mary Black, June Tabor, to make a start. Its bizarre to see that people here keep defending that plastic, empty R&B shit like Janet Jackson, Beyonce and something called 'Debarge' when there is so much great music to discover and appreciate. | |
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