seeingvoices12 said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: or hired by certain people I’m scared that this could be it, I mean, I don't want people to say to me that I’m jumping on the "conspiracy" bandwagon, but there is something just not right there , Mj was surrounded by evil people all the time, the whole situation is shady and suspicious as hell, MJ had always received death threats even during the trial……etc.. Well how do we know that Michael even KNEW what was going on? I'm not going to say he was drugged up because if he was, he wouldn't have even moved the way he did in his rehearsals (and if there was lag, it was because he hadn't been on stage in seven years). It's going to be a more complicated issue to solve if this propofol is found in limited amount in his body along with some other drugs (I'm not believing TMZ's "leaked info" yet). | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: ehuffnsd said: apprently when you cash and you have someone who has you'd be willing to do whatever it takes to get the cash. Michael was a drug addict. Murray was an enabler. plain and simple. yeah but still malpractice not disagreeing with you, but you need to remember Michael is not a victim in this. there are only 3 ends to drug addiction. Jails, institution and death. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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P2daP said: seeingvoices12 said: The mockery continues
Arrest His ass already....Shady as hell. Michael Jackson's doctor left singer alone after giving him powerful drug sources say August 13, 2009 | 6:00 am Michael Jackson smiles for cameras at the announcement of nominations for the 1995 MTV Video Awards on July 25. Jackson's video for "Scream'' was nominated for 11 awards that year. Michael Jackson’s personal physician left the performer alone and under the influence of a powerful anesthetic to make telephone calls the morning the pop singer died, according to three people familiar with the investigation. By the time he returned, Jackson had stopped breathing, the sources said. Dr. Conrad Murray, identified in court records as a suspect in a police manslaughter investigation, legally acquired the operating room drug, propofol, from a Las Vegas pharmacy and gave it to Jackson as treatment for insomnia, said the sources, who spoke on the condition that they not be named because the investigation is ongoing. In an interview with Los Angeles police detectives two days after Jackson’s death, Murray acknowledged obtaining and administering the medication, the sources said. He reportedly told police that the singer had returned to his rented Holmby Hills mansion in the early hours of June 25 exhausted from a lengthy concert rehearsal but was unable to sleep. Jackson had been using propofol as a sleep aid on and off for a decade, according to one law enforcement source. Murray told investigators that he had given Jackson doses of the drug repeatedly since taking a $150,000-a-month job as his doctor in May, the sources said. The 51-year-old cardiologist told detectives that because there had never been a problem in the past, he felt comfortable leaving Jackson alone to place calls on his cellphone, the sources said. It’s unclear how long Murray was out of Jackson’s bedroom. When Murray returned, the 50-year-old pop star was not breathing. Murray performed CPR on Jackson, and another person called 911. Paramedics arrived and rushed Jackson to UCLA Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. Murray has maintained that he did nothing wrong. His attorney, Edward Chernoff, has repeatedly declined to say whether his client gave Jackson propofol. Asked Wednesday about the version of events outlined by the sources, the lawyer said: “I’m not going to dispute the police officers' claims in that regard. They were there at the interview, and Dr. Murray did not lie to them. But they are not telling the whole story.” Chernoff confirmed that the doctor had spent time on the phone talking to family members and employees in his medical offices before he discovered Jackson stricken in a bedroom. Investigators pursuing the case have focused on whether Murray’s use of propofol outside the hospital setting and his decision to leave Jackson alone rose to a level of negligence required for an involuntary manslaughter charge. The Los Angeles County coroner’s office has concluded its investigation into Jackson’s death but, at the request of the LAPD, has not released its findings. Evidence gathered during the investigation suggests that the propofol admission alone might not be enough to charge Murray with manslaughter. Other prescription drugs, including an anti-anxiety medication, were found in Jackson’s system along with a limited amount of propofol. The law enforcement source said the presence of the other drugs without a massive amount of propofol could complicate any prosecution. The other drugs may have amplified the effect of the anesthetic and depressed Jackson’s breathing, sources said. Another factor is Jackson’s history of drug addiction and his prior use of propofol in particular. In an interview Wednesday, Chernoff suggested that Murray did not realize what he was signing up for when he agreed to become Jackson’s doctor. “When he accepted the job, he was not aware of any specific requirements regarding medications that Michael Jackson was taking or any addictions that he was suffering from,” Chernoff said. But after relocating to Los Angeles, “he realized that Michael Jackson had some very unusual problems,” the lawyer said. Chernoff criticized what he called selective leaks by investigators and said they had rushed to portray Murray as guilty and the anesthetic as the cause of death. “From the beginning, they leaked that propofol killed him. It has appeared the investigation was designed to support a conclusion they already made with regard to Dr. Murray,” the lawyer said. He said it was evident from their searches of Murray’s properties in Las Vegas and Houston that investigators thought drugs other than propofol played a role in the death. Investigators were looking for evidence that the doctor prescribed Jackson the other medications, he said. “I have no doubt they came up completely empty in that regard,” he said. Murray is one of at least five doctors whose conduct is being examined by the LAPD with the aid of the Drug Enforcement Administration in connection with Jackson. Although several have had records subpoenaed by the coroner’s office, Murray is the only one to be publicly identified as a suspect. Dmitry Gorin, a defense lawyer who was a deputy district attorney, said that to prove involuntary manslaughter, prosecutors would have to show that Murray’s conduct was reckless to the point that no reasonable physician would consider such a course of treatment. “They’d use medical experts to show that the lack of monitoring equipment, lack of staff and leaving the room was so beyond the pale of what a professional would do,” Gorin said. -- Harriet Ryan, Richard Winton and Andrew Blankstein [Edited 8/13/09 13:42pm] I thought he didn't have a phone? and why would he leave the room to make a phone call. It's not like your gonna wake him up by talking. I think we have a liar on our hands. [Edited 8/13/09 14:32pm] [Edited 8/13/09 14:33pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: babybugz said: I heard from people who were his friends said that they think michael hired that doctor to take him out because he was tired of living
You're kidding. I hope that is not true ,I keep hearing things like he wasn't happy etc but who knows | |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: No I rather they had arrested him weeks ago. the quicker they done the faster the case would have been a mistrial. let them take their time and make sure everything is done right. Damn if you, damn if you don't. | |
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Copycat said: Yes, MJ was a junkie who placed his life in the hands of a financially-strapped, unethical doctor who was fully aware that you can't use an addictive pre-surgical drug like Propofol as a sleep aid.
sense from a MJ fan. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Copycat said: Yes, MJ was a junkie who placed his life in the hands of a financially-strapped, unethical doctor who was fully aware that you can't use an addictive pre-surgical drug like Propofol as a sleep aid.
And a doctor who just committed perjury. | |
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ehuffnsd said: Copycat said: Yes, MJ was a junkie who placed his life in the hands of a financially-strapped, unethical doctor who was fully aware that you can't use an addictive pre-surgical drug like Propofol as a sleep aid.
sense from a MJ fan. no need to insult. | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: the quicker they done the faster the case would have been a mistrial. let them take their time and make sure everything is done right. Damn if you, damn if you don't. patience is a virtue. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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babybugz said: Timmy84 said: You're kidding. I hope that is not true ,I keep hearing things like he wasn't happy etc but who knows You have to take everything you hear (especially suicide attempts) with grains of salt. | |
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Timmy84 said: Copycat said: Yes, MJ was a junkie who placed his life in the hands of a financially-strapped, unethical doctor who was fully aware that you can't use an addictive pre-surgical drug like Propofol as a sleep aid.
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: ehuffnsd said: sense from a MJ fan. no need to insult. it's refreshing to see someone say something logical about his death, that's based in the reality of drug abuse. if i went out tonight or tomorrow and died of a meth overdose, is it my fault or my dealers? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: Damn if you, damn if you don't. patience is a virtue. I guess. | |
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ehuffnsd said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: no need to insult. it's refreshing to see someone say something logical about his death, that's based in the reality of drug abuse. if i went out tonight or tomorrow and died of a meth overdose, is it my fault or my dealers? both. enabler and addict. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: Timmy84 said: And a doctor who just committed perjury. That's the way the article is reading, lol. But I'm guessing if he had his own cell phone but there was no actual phone in the house, lol... weird shit. | |
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ehuffnsd said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: why would u give to someone as a doctor knowing how dangerous it is or that it doesn't help insonmia? Malpractice, BOTTOM LINE. I remember seeing a video online from Good Morning America and that drug does not help with sleeping at all...makes the person more drowsy and doesn't realize natural elements required when sleeping. well we will just see when the toxicology reports are realized. apprently when you cash and you have someone who has you'd be willing to do whatever it takes to get the cash. Michael was a drug addict. Murray was an enabler. plain and simple. True, there are dozens and dozens of 'appropriate' sedatives out there he could've written for. Propofol isn't even at the bottom of the list... it just isn't on the list at all. Michael probably just stopped breathing, and by Dr. Murrays own admission, he came back into the room and found him unresponsive. When working with a drug like Propofol, the patient needs to be monitored closely and on a respirator. I don't care if Michael asked for a 'Cyanide Milkshake' as a Doctor, Murray should have refused, instead he gave it to him, and now it'll cost him his license and livelyhood. Lady Cab Driver is one of the greatest songs ever! | |
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mrpunkfunk said: ehuffnsd said: apprently when you cash and you have someone who has you'd be willing to do whatever it takes to get the cash. Michael was a drug addict. Murray was an enabler. plain and simple. True, there are dozens and dozens of 'appropriate' sedatives out there he could've written for. Propofol isn't even at the bottom of the list... it just isn't on the list at all. Michael probably just stopped breathing, and by Dr. Murrays own admission, he came back into the room and found him unresponsive. When working with a drug like Propofol, the patient needs to be monitored closely and on a respirator. I don't care if Michael asked for a 'Cyanide Milkshake' as a Doctor, Murray should have refused, instead he gave it to him, and now it'll cost him his license and livelyhood. we all live with the choices we make. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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mrpunkfunk said: ehuffnsd said: apprently when you cash and you have someone who has you'd be willing to do whatever it takes to get the cash. Michael was a drug addict. Murray was an enabler. plain and simple. True, there are dozens and dozens of 'appropriate' sedatives out there he could've written for. Propofol isn't even at the bottom of the list... it just isn't on the list at all. Michael probably just stopped breathing, and by Dr. Murrays own admission, he came back into the room and found him unresponsive. When working with a drug like Propofol, the patient needs to be monitored closely and on a respirator. I don't care if Michael asked for a 'Cyanide Milkshake' as a Doctor, Murray should have refused, instead he gave it to him, and now it'll cost him his license and livelyhood. Yeah the doctor was just a certified dumbass, he gave someone reputed to be an addict a drug that could potentially kill him anyway. Common sense will tell you this is a case of involuntary manslaughter and abuse of his oath. Take his license, put him in a jail and take away his priveleges as a doctor. | |
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Jackson case pharmacy search was about anesthetic
By KEN RITTER (AP) – 45 minutes ago LAS VEGAS — Police and federal agents sought records showing Michael Jackson's doctor or his employees bought the potent anesthetic propofol when they searched a Las Vegas pharmacy two days ago. A search warrant made public Thursday shows Los Angeles police and federal Drug Enforcement Administration agents removed only copies of miscellaneous paperwork during a search Tuesday of Applied Pharmacy Services LLC. It provides more evidence that authorities are zeroing in on Dr. Conrad Murray as the central figure in the ongoing probe of Jackson's June 25 death. Murray has told investigators he administered propofol and multiple sedatives to help Jackson sleep hours before he died in a rented Beverly Hills mansion. Propofol, also known as Diprivan, is normally used by anesthesia professionals to render patients unconscious for medical procedures in medical settings. Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. | |
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Timmy84 said: babybugz said: I hope that is not true ,I keep hearing things like he wasn't happy etc but who knows You have to take everything you hear (especially suicide attempts) with grains of salt. That's why I said who knows lol , I didn't even think he was a drug addict even in that moonwalk book he was like he would never dream of touching drugs ..messed up [Edited 8/13/09 14:43pm] | |
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babybugz said: Timmy84 said: You have to take everything you hear (especially suicide attempts) with grains of salt. That's why I said who knows lol , I didn't even think he was a drug addict even in that moonwalk book he was like he would dream of touching drugs ..messed up Yeah you're right, it's just weird and confusing. | |
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Timmy84 said: Jackson case pharmacy search was about anesthetic
By KEN RITTER (AP) – 45 minutes ago LAS VEGAS — Police and federal agents sought records showing Michael Jackson's doctor or his employees bought the potent anesthetic propofol when they searched a Las Vegas pharmacy two days ago. A search warrant made public Thursday shows Los Angeles police and federal Drug Enforcement Administration agents removed only copies of miscellaneous paperwork during a search Tuesday of Applied Pharmacy Services LLC. It provides more evidence that authorities are zeroing in on Dr. Conrad Murray as the central figure in the ongoing probe of Jackson's June 25 death. Murray has told investigators he administered propofol and multiple sedatives to help Jackson sleep hours before he died in a rented Beverly Hills mansion. Propofol, also known as Diprivan, is normally used by anesthesia professionals to render patients unconscious for medical procedures in medical settings. Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. | |
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ehuffnsd said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: no need to insult. it's refreshing to see someone say something logical about his death, that's based in the reality of drug abuse. if i went out tonight or tomorrow and died of a meth overdose, is it my fault or my dealers? Not really the same thing. Meth isn't for use only in a hospital setting,Propofol is. The doctor knew this,but decided to go ahead an admister it in the home anyway. Even if Michael had asked for it,the doctor knew what the conditions were for the use of it. He could have said NO,actually being a doctor he SHOULD have said no. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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mrpunkfunk said: ehuffnsd said: apprently when you cash and you have someone who has you'd be willing to do whatever it takes to get the cash. Michael was a drug addict. Murray was an enabler. plain and simple. True, there are dozens and dozens of 'appropriate' sedatives out there he could've written for. Propofol isn't even at the bottom of the list... it just isn't on the list at all. Michael probably just stopped breathing, and by Dr. Murrays own admission, he came back into the room and found him unresponsive. When working with a drug like Propofol, the patient needs to be monitored closely and on a respirator. I don't care if Michael asked for a 'Cyanide Milkshake' as a Doctor, Murray should have refused, instead he gave it to him, and now it'll cost him his license and livelyhood. I agree with all of this, that's why i said he is just reckless bastard, as a professional doctor he should have helped MJ to clean his body from this shit, what an asshole. MICHAEL JACKSON
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Timmy84 said: mrpunkfunk said: True, there are dozens and dozens of 'appropriate' sedatives out there he could've written for. Propofol isn't even at the bottom of the list... it just isn't on the list at all. Michael probably just stopped breathing, and by Dr. Murrays own admission, he came back into the room and found him unresponsive. When working with a drug like Propofol, the patient needs to be monitored closely and on a respirator. I don't care if Michael asked for a 'Cyanide Milkshake' as a Doctor, Murray should have refused, instead he gave it to him, and now it'll cost him his license and livelyhood. Yeah the doctor was just a certified dumbass, he gave someone reputed to be an addict a drug that could potentially kill him anyway. Common sense will tell you this is a case of involuntary manslaughter and abuse of his oath. Take his license, put him in a jail and take away his priveleges as a doctor. Yeah, I don't think theres a snowballs chance in hell, that he'll be able to talk his way out of this one. He definitely deserves some jail time. And on a side note, I believe this little incident may cause Propofol to be treated as a controlled substance now. I'll never forget when I first learned what Propofol does back in like 2000, a pharmacist told me that she felt it should be a control because of how it works and it could be dangerous if misused. When Mike died and Propofol found its way in the conversation, her words just rang in my ears. Lady Cab Driver is one of the greatest songs ever! | |
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EmeraldSkies said: ehuffnsd said: it's refreshing to see someone say something logical about his death, that's based in the reality of drug abuse. if i went out tonight or tomorrow and died of a meth overdose, is it my fault or my dealers? Not really the same thing. Meth isn't for use only in a hospital setting,Propofol is. The doctor knew this,but decided to go ahead an admister it in the home anyway. Even if Michael had asked for it,the doctor knew what the conditions were for the use of it. He could have said NO,actually being a doctor he SHOULD have said no. same thing. drug addiction is drug addiction. meth is illegal no matter where. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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seeingvoices12 said: mrpunkfunk said: True, there are dozens and dozens of 'appropriate' sedatives out there he could've written for. Propofol isn't even at the bottom of the list... it just isn't on the list at all. Michael probably just stopped breathing, and by Dr. Murrays own admission, he came back into the room and found him unresponsive. When working with a drug like Propofol, the patient needs to be monitored closely and on a respirator. I don't care if Michael asked for a 'Cyanide Milkshake' as a Doctor, Murray should have refused, instead he gave it to him, and now it'll cost him his license and livelyhood. I agree with all of this, that's why i said he is just reckless bastard, as a professional doctor he should have helped MJ to clean his body from this shit, what an asshole. money talks. had he not done it for Michael would have moved on to a doctor who would have. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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seeingvoices12 said: mrpunkfunk said: True, there are dozens and dozens of 'appropriate' sedatives out there he could've written for. Propofol isn't even at the bottom of the list... it just isn't on the list at all. Michael probably just stopped breathing, and by Dr. Murrays own admission, he came back into the room and found him unresponsive. When working with a drug like Propofol, the patient needs to be monitored closely and on a respirator. I don't care if Michael asked for a 'Cyanide Milkshake' as a Doctor, Murray should have refused, instead he gave it to him, and now it'll cost him his license and livelyhood. I agree with all of this, that's why i said he is just reckless bastard, as a professional doctor he should have helped MJ to clean his body from this shit, what an asshole. Also, someone should've not gave it to him back in '96 or '97 during the HIStory tour, in fact MJ shouldn't have used propofol at all. | |
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