kenlacam said:

Riverpoet31 said:

Can't we have ONE TOPIC without Janet bashing? Damn. She sings as well as her female dance/pop counterparts. Janet is no singer, but like Madonna, Britney, Ciara, even Vanity, she is good at what she does. And PLEASE do not turn this statement into the Janet vs. Madonna debate number ???. Thank you.
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We might still be throwing down like this....




Instead, we've gone backwards in time to music suitable for this....





I know, and that's the problem. Just listen to what the generation they influenced is making.
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http://prince.org/msg/8/316157

vainandy said:

Riverpoet31 said:

Not this shit again Being a sister of MJ sure didn't help Rebbie and Latoya!

Janet wrote every song in her catalogue from Control-AFY album. Janet doesn't owe her fame to nobody but to herself!
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midiscover said:

Please don't feed this post.

totaldiva said:

Huh?

midiscover said:

I think the ones who STILL downplay Janet Jackson for being just "another Jackson" proves my point that they haven't listened to her music.

And anyway, nobody lasts in this business this long without having 'substance',,,,I don't care whats your last name or WHICH "hype machine" is backing you up,,,,,people are not that stupid.

Ms. Jackson has lasted nearly 30 years in the pop music world, that amounts to something and she was successful for about 18 of those years (counting the R&B success from the '82 debut).

midiscover said:

I'm sorry. I was referring to the Janet basher (I will leave nameless)
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Actually, I think Rebbie did pretty decent with "Centipede". Probably about as successful as Janet was on her first two albums which did pretty well on R&B radio so I consider that a success and prefer R&B only success since crossover success eventually ruins artists. But apparently Janet doesn't consider R&B love as success since she has continuously acted like those two albums never existed every time she does a decade compilation. Her little "Design of a Decade: 1986-1996" in 1996 and "20 Years Old" in 2006 compilitions made my stomach turn simply for the album titles alone. Hell, what would people say if Prince made a compilation and he acted like nothing existed before "Little Red Corvette"?

Anyway, measuring by Janet's own opinion of success, she's nothing without Jam and Lewis.
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Timmy84 said:

I will not touch this subject

Its been discussed to Death, and I love Janet jackson.

Janet Jackson is a shit singer and artist.

The only reason she did get popular is because of her surname and the productionwork of Jam and Lewis. Nothing more.

vainandy said:

Well no one knows who Rebbie is and her albums are just as forgettable as Latoya's Anyways, I disagree with your last statement. The reason why she threw her first two albums under the bus is because she did it for her father and not for herself.It's funny how people credit those who worked with Janet instead of the icon herself! God forbid the day she dies the script will flip and people will be singing her praises and recognize her incredible talent. That very thought makes MY stomach turn
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Riverpoet31 said:

@midiscover This is the post not to feed.

Janet just can't sing, has no real charisma, she is product of producers-pop, and its logical we havent heard anything about her in the last 10 years: she just cant handle music.

totaldiva said:

What a stupid troll!

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Riverpoet31 said:

What's up with the Janet hate lately?

trueiopian said:

It's a common ritual around these parts
People can't help but love her! That's the power of Janhova

trueiopian said:

It goes down in the ORG whenever you mention her name.

It's funny that the Janet haters never fail to invoke her name even in topics where it isn't about her. They (I will leave him nameless) went as far as to start a Janet bashing thread (which thank God the moderators closed after 2 replies). Pathetic. I wish someone would explain to me, if you hate Janet Jackson with so much passion, why is she constantly on your mind? "Obsessed", maybe (I had to go there).

damosuzuki said:

That's so true. I can't stand the likes of Pearl Jam, Creed, or (cringe) Sarah McLaughlan either.

Riverpoet31 said:

I've heard a lot about Janet in the past 10 years. "Doesn't Really Matter", "All for You" and "Someone to Call My Lover" were huge hits, too. "Feedback" also did quite well.

midiscover said:

janet's writing credit is retro on Control. my mom hasn't an original pressing of the album and her name is absent from the writing credits, i'll double check that over the weekend when i'm home.

and i know for sure that the Pleasure Principle is soley credited to Monte Moir.

and half the songs on RN1814 have no input from her.
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many people are really great interpreters but don't write their stuff.

damosuzuki said:

The part of my statement that preceded the "and how sincere they are" that you quoted was "how well they do it"

Sincerity is factored into my decision but I agree with you--and I hate Scott Stapp by the way.
But if an artist is really good at what he does and it sounds sincere, it doesn't matter to me if they wrote it or not. Sincerity isn't a necessity to me, but it's a bonus and a factor. Moreover, the artist still requires talent.

As you said, Olivia Newton John cried while performing "I honestly love you ".

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