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Reply #60 posted 08/10/09 2:39am

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LOL What's with all the Xtina stans?

And yes obviously there are people as bad as Matthew but he is one of the worst and well known. I'm not a fan of Clive or L.A. Reid either.
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Reply #61 posted 08/10/09 3:02am

dirtyman2005

its quite obvious Beyonce is a shit singer, her high pitch wailings make you want to ejaculate prematurely to avoid the agony of her disgusting voice.

not only that, but she is a CONFIRMED devil worshipper alongside Jay Z.

Both worship the devil and use blatant freemason imagery in their videos and clothing.

just take a look at Sasha Fierce's outfit, with the fucking obvious baphomet sticking out!

fucking whore!

i bet she bent over a few times and took it up at the ass, to become a "star".

dirty! razz
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Reply #62 posted 08/10/09 3:12am

exenn

What's all this devil worship talk? My grandfather was a Freemason, and I don't recall any talk of worshiping the devil in their household.
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Reply #63 posted 08/10/09 3:25am

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the crap you read on the org these days...
yes SIR!
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Reply #64 posted 08/10/09 5:37am

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TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

He wouldn't care. He's not above selling out himself and that performance with her was one of his worst sellout moments.


Selling out is an understatement. A JW (Prince) doing a live duet with demon-possessed woman (Beyonce AKA Sasha Fierce).

I would love to see how Prince explain himself at the next bible study session!
rolleyes lol


faint @ "demon-possessed woman" lol

I feel like people (the music industry) give Beyonce too much credit. she hasn't broken any barriers or done anything remarkable. hrmph

To add, a Prince-Alicia Keys collaboration would be great. Have they worked together already? I love her cover of "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore". She's a great artist. biggrin nod
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Reply #65 posted 08/10/09 6:06am

POOK

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Oh, and yeah, Christina would've been a better choice, if we wanted to watch Prince's mouth moving but not hear any sound coming out since Ms Foghornulera would've screamed the house down. Didn't you guys see her trainwreck tribute to James Brown?


HUH POOK LIKE THAT SHOW

NOT EVERYONE HAVE TO BE EVERYTHING IN EVERY SONG

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Reply #66 posted 08/10/09 6:38am

Graycap23

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Reply #67 posted 08/10/09 7:07am

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ThreadBare said:

lastdecember said:

WHY would PRINCE care about Beyonce writing songs or not, i mean this is a man that Worked with the talents of Vanity and Apollonia (the latter whom had never been behind a microphone till 1984), this is also a man that said Ingrid Chavez was one of the most talented singers he had come across?? I mean come on now

Was about to post the. exact. same. thing.



I guess ya'll beat me to that point lol
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Reply #68 posted 08/10/09 8:02am

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WaterInYourBath said:

I'm sorry to focus in on Vanity, lol. But to see her compared to a performer like Beyonce, with her name listed in this thread as a "cool" and then "innovative" musical artist, is funny to me.

Madonna: Yeah.
Grace Jones: Yeah, sure.
Donna Summer: Of course.
Kelis: Alright.
But Vanity? lol

Again, I'm sorry, lol. I just will never understand the respect Vanity receives for her "artistry."


lol It a fact that Vanity was not better then Beyonce but I like her solo stuff more and I get a coolness factor from her so Yeah.
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Reply #69 posted 08/10/09 8:30am

Harlepolis

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Those ladies weren't shit hop. That's the difference.


What about Carmen Electra? wink
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Reply #70 posted 08/10/09 8:32am

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Question: If this is information available, if not necessarily widely known, to the general public, then how do you imagine Prince, someone who works in the industry, hasn't heard about it?


The fact of the matter is that Prince is the queen of saying one thing while doing another. He can preach for days about "real music by real musicians" but at the end of the day he's still hopping onstage with the likes of Beyonce. hrmph
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Reply #71 posted 08/10/09 8:34am

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So you think he just did it for the exposure and didn't give a damn about her quality as an artist?

Hmm.

I hate that she is covering his songs on her tour, it's shitting me. She has a new idol every 5 seconds, I wish she'd just stick to covering Etta James and Michael Jackson who she claimed were her biggest inspirations.

Prince's long line of protoges (minus possibly Tamar) prove this already lol

The Grammy performance had fuckall to do with love of music or artistry. It was an advertisement to let folks know he's still in the game and still 'has it'.

It worked.
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Reply #72 posted 08/10/09 8:37am

Graycap23

meow85 said:

Question: If this is information available, if not necessarily widely known, to the general public, then how do you imagine Prince, someone who works in the industry, hasn't heard about it?


The fact of the matter is that Prince is the queen of saying one thing while doing another. He can preach for days about "real music by real musicians" but at the end of the day he's still hopping onstage with the likes of Beyonce. hrmph

Play the game.....or lose the game.
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Reply #73 posted 08/10/09 8:48am

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CalhounSq said:

Considering P has partnered up/presented/sang with lesser talents than B (i.e. no talents from V6 on), I don't understand the question neutral


Exactly. People are acting like he did a duet with Rosanne Barr. And between Bey and Christina Aguilera what exactly is the difference other that one is white and the other is not? They both tend to botch a few perfomances in some form or fashion.
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Reply #74 posted 08/10/09 9:16am

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Graycap23 said:

meow85 said:

Question: If this is information available, if not necessarily widely known, to the general public, then how do you imagine Prince, someone who works in the industry, hasn't heard about it?


The fact of the matter is that Prince is the queen of saying one thing while doing another. He can preach for days about "real music by real musicians" but at the end of the day he's still hopping onstage with the likes of Beyonce. hrmph

Play the game.....or lose the game.

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Reply #75 posted 08/10/09 9:37am

steelyd

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Calluout said:

Also her father is one of the sneakiest snakes in the music business, much worse than Prince's old labels, and ...


I'm sorry but you don't know what the hell you're talking about. How many business dealings have you had with WB? None, I bet. WB is comprised of several hundreds of dudes like Matt Knowles. He could only aspire to be as dirty as that label. Matthew is only one snake. Warner Bros. is a vipers' den.

And who the hell is Prince? Are we talking about the same Prince that chose to attempt to make careers for Carmen Electra and a long list of bimbos with little or no talent? Dude shouldn't be one to EVER complain about who he takes the stage with. At least Beyoncé can sing and perform - certainly better than any of the females he's tried to put on the scene.
The truth is he knows the truth - being seen on stage with Beyoncé helps BOTH OF THEM. Its called self-promotion. Ain't no shame in it.
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Thank you! Prince is as much an opportunist as anyone. Prince has done dirt behind the scenes himself, so who is he to judge? I'm not a Beyonce fan, but that performance gave them both a boost. It connected him to a younger audience and gave Beyonce more cache. Not for nothing the girl held her own with him.
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Reply #76 posted 08/10/09 10:13am

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He knew as much about her as he needed to know.

Enough to "show her some chords & scales on the piano" which says to me he knew she wasn't a real musician but had potential if she actually cared.

But this is the guy who sang with Appolonia fer crissakes
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Reply #77 posted 08/10/09 10:21am

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My opinion is that Prince could care less about talent...Beyonce sells and thats why he dueted with her.

On the flip side, I don't get all the hype of Beyonce. To me she's just a scapegoat right now. In 20 years she'll be featured on E! True Hollywood Stories have a reality show just like everybody else.
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Reply #78 posted 08/10/09 10:30am

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TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

He wouldn't care. He's not above selling out himself and that performance with her was one of his worst sellout moments.


Selling out is an understatement. A JW (Prince) doing a live duet with demon-possessed woman (Beyonce AKA Sasha Fierce).

I would love to see how Prince explain himself at the next bible study session!
rolleyes lol

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I hope your joking !!! She is just another pretty face in an industry that is obsessed with looks over talent. P himself has been doing this since Vanity Six and I don’t remember him ever being hard on non-talented female singers. His beef appears to be with the lack of original music and piss poor live performances (especially dudes or bands).

In addition, part of that Grammy show was paring up olders stars with new stars. If he bitched about performing with her he would have been made out to be a bad guy.
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Reply #79 posted 08/10/09 10:32am

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meow85 said:

Question: If this is information available, if not necessarily widely known, to the general public, then how do you imagine Prince, someone who works in the industry, hasn't heard about it?


The fact of the matter is that Prince is the queen of saying one thing while doing another. He can preach for days about "real music by real musicians" but at the end of the day he's still hopping onstage with the likes of Beyonce. hrmph

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He is also hoping on the stage and playing real music. Which is about all he can really do. People like Beyonce are not going anywhere.
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Reply #80 posted 08/10/09 10:33am

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It was ALL about promotion. He was just embarking on his Musicolgy tour & needed to remind people he was still on the scene. Don't even get me started on the American Idol appearance.

It's all about business folks, not about artistry.
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Reply #81 posted 08/10/09 10:38am

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laurarichardson said:

TonyVanDam said:



Selling out is an understatement. A JW (Prince) doing a live duet with demon-possessed woman (Beyonce AKA Sasha Fierce).

I would love to see how Prince explain himself at the next bible study session!
rolleyes lol

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I hope your joking !!! She is just another pretty face in an industry that is obsessed with looks over talent. P himself has been doing this since Vanity Six and I don’t remember him ever being hard on non-talented female singers. His beef appears to be with the lack of original music and piss poor live performances (especially dudes or bands).

In addition, part of that Grammy show was paring up olders stars with new stars. If he bitched about performing with her he would have been made out to be a bad guy.

For real, lets not forget that awful performance with The Time paired up with Rhianna, of all people rolleyes
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Reply #82 posted 08/10/09 12:50pm

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Bree8016 said:

TonyVanDam said:



Selling out is an understatement. A JW (Prince) doing a live duet with demon-possessed woman (Beyonce AKA Sasha Fierce).

I would love to see how Prince explain himself at the next bible study session!
rolleyes lol


faint @ "demon-possessed woman" lol

I feel like people (the music industry) give Beyonce too much credit. she hasn't broken any barriers or done anything remarkable. hrmph

To add, a Prince-Alicia Keys collaboration would be great. Have they worked together already? I love her cover of "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore". She's a great artist. biggrin nod


Exactly. nod
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Reply #83 posted 08/10/09 1:03pm

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NDRU said:

He knew as much about her as he needed to know.

Enough to "show her some chords & scales on the piano" which says to me he knew she wasn't a real musician but had potential if she actually cared.

But this is the guy who sang with Appolonia fer crissakes


Exactly. nod

Prince has acknowledge that Beyonce can "sing". But he NEVER said that she can "compose" music. At least Prince notice her weakness.

But damn it, it's the same weakness that is noticeable with a lot of shit-hop/rhythmless buttshit (r&b) artists AND producers alike. It's mostly about beatmaking. I love to hear some fresh drum beats myself. But as a music fan, I want to hear some bass (guitar or synth), keyboard, & guitar as well.

And the hell with the auto-tune crap. Instead of using that software for robotic vocals, why not use a REAL talkbox like the late Roger Troutman did in the studio AND on stage!?
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Reply #84 posted 08/10/09 1:07pm

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laurarichardson said:

TonyVanDam said:



Selling out is an understatement. A JW (Prince) doing a live duet with demon-possessed woman (Beyonce AKA Sasha Fierce).

I would love to see how Prince explain himself at the next bible study session!
rolleyes lol

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I hope your joking !!! She is just another pretty face in an industry that is obsessed with looks over talent. P himself has been doing this since Vanity Six and I don’t remember him ever being hard on non-talented female singers. His beef appears to be with the lack of original music and piss poor live performances (especially dudes or bands).

In addition, part of that Grammy show was paring up olders stars with new stars. If he bitched about performing with her he would have been made out to be a bad guy.


http://prince.org/msg/105/314230

Although most orgers aren't "convince", a lot of YouTube members are. And there is a lot of video documentaries that goes into details (both funny AND dead serious).
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Reply #85 posted 08/10/09 1:17pm

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meow85 said:

Question: If this is information available, if not necessarily widely known, to the general public, then how do you imagine Prince, someone who works in the industry, hasn't heard about it?


The fact of the matter is that Prince is the queen of saying one thing while doing another. He can preach for days about "real music by real musicians" but at the end of the day he's still hopping onstage with the likes of Beyonce. hrmph



yeahthat

Plus he finds that ass highly tappable. It wouldn't matter if she was an illiterate panda hunter.
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Reply #86 posted 08/10/09 1:53pm

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laurarichardson said:

meow85 said:

Question: If this is information available, if not necessarily widely known, to the general public, then how do you imagine Prince, someone who works in the industry, hasn't heard about it?


The fact of the matter is that Prince is the queen of saying one thing while doing another. He can preach for days about "real music by real musicians" but at the end of the day he's still hopping onstage with the likes of Beyonce. hrmph

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He is also hoping on the stage and playing real music. Which is about all he can really do. People like Beyonce are not going anywhere.

nod Exactly.

I'm no Beyonce fan by a long shot. I wish she'd just disappear, really. But I don't hold it against Prince for doing the performance with her, either. Or for that matter, the AI gig. Prince may be crazy, but he's not stupid. You've got to work within the rules of the industry to get anywhere, even when you're an established artist. He knows this, and so he also knew that -no matter how wrong it may seem for a living legend to have to work with a radio tartlet to get any attention -that appearing on the Grammy's with Beyonce could've only been a boon to his career at the stage it was in 2004.
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Reply #87 posted 08/10/09 4:22pm

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WaterInYourBath said:

Moonbeam said:



This may be true. She fit the image Prince was trying to portray quite well. The issue with Beyonce is that she is about the most annoying performer of the past quarter century. lol


Well, I guess I can understand that, since some of her costumes, and uptempo choreography can be quite disappointing. But one thing I can always say about Beyonce though is that I am never annoyed by her vocals. I think she's a consistently fantastic singer.


Her vocals piss me off too. lol
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Reply #88 posted 08/10/09 4:23pm

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beyonce is NOT a bad singer. i think she does rather well on ballads.
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Reply #89 posted 08/10/09 4:31pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

beyonce is NOT a bad singer.


Of course not. In fact, she is a GOOD singer. Its fashionable to complain about mainstream pop artists. They think it makes them "cool" to hate on the mainstream. If anything, Beyoncé is guilty of having sub par material rather than not being able to properly exectue it.
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