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ehuffnsd said: Mstrustme said:  I don't disagree w/ what he typed, it's his tone that wasn't correct  i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death. I definitely dig what you're saying here. As sad as it is, the issue with MJ is more complex than what even some of us who are fans like to believe. | |
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Dick Gregory said MJ told him that he was being poisoned in Neverland?!  The fuck?! [Edited 7/29/09 12:17pm] | |
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nurseV said: ehuffnsd said: i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death. I really applaud you for even telling us this-it takes a strong person to be able to deal with any addiction. I for one am not blaming anyone for the death of MJ-it will happen to use all eventually. But you can't deny the facts that these doctors and other takers share some responsibility. There comes a time when you have to say "NO" even to Michael Jackson. if Michael wanted to stop he could have easily fired the enablers and gotten help. Michael's issue would probably be complicated that he's hasn't been told NO since he was probably a kid. The family fortune rested in him so I'm sure at some point he realized that he could do whatever he wanted when he was yonger and was never taught otherwise. But than I look at people like QEII who has been an icon since birth or his Janet or Kylie who's been on tv since she was 7 and they seem to be more grounded than he is. [Edited 7/29/09 12:20pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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suga10 said: Why do I get the feeling that Murray is going to walk out of this a free man
he won't. the use of diprovan is a major no no. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Mstrustme said: I don't disagree w/ what he typed, it's his tone that wasn't correct i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death. I said in a previous post that I don't blame everything on the doctor i'm not blind to the fact that michael was addict and I didn't know he had a drug problem before , I heard something a long time ago about a addiction but never knew he had it that bad . sad | |
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Timmy84 said: Dick Gregory said MJ told him that he was being poisoned in Neverland?! The fuck?!
[Edited 7/29/09 12:17pm] Remember that E-mail from MJJC that MJ didn't want to eat any of the food during rehearsals
I wonder if he was starving himself b/c of the fear of being poisoned. | |
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nurseV said: dag said: Can you believe it?  It still bothers me, I try not to think about it. I only wished that he could see how much the world really did love him. It's so depressing I can't even watch that jackson movie now I know how that story ends smh | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: i'm a drug addict i've suffered with the result of meth addict for nearly ten years. i know first hand what it's like to have a drug problem. i know what it's like to show up to work high and what it's like to come up with excuses for my problem instead of dealing with the issue head on. yeah it's easy to blame my issues on my childhood, but in the end it's me the chose to pick up the pipe, not my dealer, not my tricks, not my friends at the time, not my parents, no one but myself. that is why i'm highly critical of all of you that try to make excuses for Michael and his addiction. he chose to not deal with his problems and escape through drugs. and as they say in NA there are only three results to drug addiction Jails Institutions and Death. I definitely dig what you're saying here. As sad as it is, the issue with MJ is more complex than what even some of us who are fans like to believe. I am definately puzzled about what happened to him. There are just more questions than answers. It would have been easy MJ to say MJ was an addict, but things just don´t look that easy to me. Damn, that Dick Gregory interview is in such a poor quality. I don´t understand some things. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: Timmy84 said: I definitely dig what you're saying here. As sad as it is, the issue with MJ is more complex than what even some of us who are fans like to believe. I am definately puzzled about what happened to him. There are just more questions than answers. It would have been easy MJ to say MJ was an addict, but things just don´t look that easy to me. Damn, that Dick Gregory interview is in such a poor quality. I don´t understand some things. denial. someone i know and used to party with and was a club owner in town died a few years ago in a hot tub at a gay ski weekend. the corner's report listed meth, oxycoton, wellbrutin, and a few other drugs as the cause of death. his mother to this day refuses to accept her son was a drug addict. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I don't know about worries about being poisoned. I wonder if he felt his family was trying to kill him since it was happening in Neverland, who knows why he was scared and what he was scared of. I'm actually amused Dick is even speaking out. Fool said he was gonna go on fast for 40 days "until the truth comes out", lol.
Nutritionist: Jackson "Didn't Want to Eat Food"...Fried Chicken, Juice, Trail Mix Excepted Move over, Atkins. Step aside, Master Cleanse. We are proud to present the Michael Jackson diet. Just when you thought you knew everything there was to know about the months leading up to the King of Pop's death, out pops former Jackson nutritionist Cherilyn Lee—who, luckily for us, never met a camera she didn't like—to shed some light on the question that's really plaguing the minds of the music legend's fans: Forget the toxicology report. Forget the multiple home raids. What, oh what, did M.J. like to eat? Take it away, Lee. "He loved trail mix," she told E! News. "And once a month he had to have fried chicken." The odd smattering of snack and junk food aside, Lee said Jackson generally subsisted on what was more or less a liquid, juice-based diet. Or at least he did up until she parted ways with the singer in April, at which point he apparently moved on to more substantial fare. Like granola. Lee said she first joined forces with Jackson back in January, after a mutual friend asked her to drop in on the pop star's home when one of his children came down with the flu. She quickly took Jackson himself on as a patient. "He said, 'Well, you know I'm feeling tired,' " she recalled. "'I'm getting ready for the concerts. I would love to have as much energy as possible, so what can I do with my diet and nutrition?' " Lee quickly put him on a diet of juice and smoothies "to meet the needs of a couple things that were slightly out of bounds" for the singer. As for why the nutritionist didn't opt for more of a solid meal plan, she said Jackson preferred his meals in liquid form. "His whole thing was that he didn't really want to eat food." He did, however, love his "caffeine-laced drinks," which Lee said added to his problem with low blood sugar. And while Jackson may have been food-averse himself, she denies he was underweight or that his preferences ever affected the children. "They had structure," she said. "They sat down and had dinner together at night. Even though he'd say a lot of times, 'I'm not hungry,' this is what he wanted to do. He was a prime example of a very good father." Not such a good patient, though. Lee said it was around April that Jackson began having problems sleeping and started asking her for Diprivan, which she refused him, despite his persistent requests. "What he tried to reassure me was that 'I will be safe...I will be safe just as long as someone monitors me.' "He said, 'I'm tired of taking things to try to help me to sleep and I want to go to sleep right away. I don't want to wait for hours. I want to be knocked out.' Those were his words: 'I want to be knocked out and go to sleep.' " | |
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ehuffnsd said: nurseV said: I really applaud you for even telling us this-it takes a strong person to be able to deal with any addiction. I for one am not blaming anyone for the death of MJ-it will happen to use all eventually. But you can't deny the facts that these doctors and other takers share some responsibility. There comes a time when you have to say "NO" even to Michael Jackson. if Michael wanted to stop he could have easily fired the enablers and gotten help. Michael's issue would probably be complicated that he's hasn't been told NO since he was probably a kid. The family fortune rested in him so I'm sure at some point he realized that he could do whatever he wanted when he was yonger and was never taught otherwise. But than I look at people like QEII who has been an icon since birth or his Janet or Kylie who's been on tv since she was 7 and they seem to be more grounded than he is. [Edited 7/29/09 12:20pm] I don´t think you can compare MJ to Janet or Kylie. Even though Janet is his sister and she did appear on TV, I am not sure if anyone actually cared till the Control album. I think she was able to lead a "seemingly normal" life. Not trying to excuse him, but MJ´s just a league of his own. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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matthewgrant said: Mstrustme said: - The footage of Michael at the last press conference was very interesting to me; the way he was walking was very different; I've never seen Michael walk w/ swag like that and w/ his elbows bent
the swag was strange  that is true. i noticed it too. i've never seen hjim walk that way before. Prince usually walsk that way but not MJ!! also wasn't that arm thing he was doing funny when he was saying "this is it"? it was cute. he seemed pretty happy to me. also i hate the fact now that he said this is the final curtain call. it gives me chills.... | |
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Did anyone read about Karen Faye's comments from the KOP Board:-? | |
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dag said: ehuffnsd said: if Michael wanted to stop he could have easily fired the enablers and gotten help. Michael's issue would probably be complicated that he's hasn't been told NO since he was probably a kid. The family fortune rested in him so I'm sure at some point he realized that he could do whatever he wanted when he was yonger and was never taught otherwise. But than I look at people like QEII who has been an icon since birth or his Janet or Kylie who's been on tv since she was 7 and they seem to be more grounded than he is. [Edited 7/29/09 12:20pm] I don´t think you can compare MJ to Janet or Kylie. Even though Janet is his sister and she did appear on TV, I am not sure if anyone actually cared till the Control album. I think she was able to lead a "seemingly normal" life. Not trying to excuse him, but MJ´s just a league of his own. Kylie has been on tv in Oz since she was 7, she's been an international icon since she was 17. Michael didn't really reach the height of his fame til he was in his ,late teens early 20s. the jacksons were no different from the osmans. it wasn't until Off the Wall and Thriller that Michael really became the star we know today. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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suga10 said: Timmy84 said: Dick Gregory said MJ told him that he was being poisoned in Neverland?! The fuck?!
[Edited 7/29/09 12:17pm] Remember that E-mail from MJJC that MJ didn't want to eat any of the food during rehearsals
I wonder if he was starving himself b/c of the fear of being poisoned. According to his nutritionist, Michael didn't just like to eat. | |
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Timmy84 said: I don't know about worries about being poisoned. I wonder if he felt his family was trying to kill him since it was happening in Neverland, who knows why he was scared and what he was scared of. I'm actually amused Dick is even speaking out. Fool said he was gonna go on fast for 40 days "until the truth comes out", lol.
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suga10 said: Did anyone read about Karen Faye's comments from the KOP Board:-?
No but then again I'm probably not interested... | |
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babybugz said: Timmy84 said: I don't know about worries about being poisoned. I wonder if he felt his family was trying to kill him since it was happening in Neverland, who knows why he was scared and what he was scared of. I'm actually amused Dick is even speaking out. Fool said he was gonna go on fast for 40 days "until the truth comes out", lol.
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Timmy84 said: babybugz said: It could have been the drugs , drugs make you Paranoid Yeah that is true. yup... i used to think people were hacking into my computer and watching everything i typed. [Edited 7/29/09 12:34pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: Yeah that is true. yup... i used to think people were hacking into my computer and watching everything i typed. [Edited 7/29/09 12:34pm] For real? [Edited 7/29/09 12:34pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: yup... i used to think people were hacking into my computer and watching everything i typed. [Edited 7/29/09 12:34pm]  i used to get messages from God in car license plates and bumper stickers as well. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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According to Cherilyn Lee, this was part of MJ's food regiment besides fried chicken and juice:
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: i used to get messages from God in car license plates and bumper stickers as well. Wow, so drugs do that to you like that? SHIT! | |
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Why you guys trying to knock Mj's swag? Mike had a strong pimp hand.... | |
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Timmy84 said: ehuffnsd said: i used to get messages from God in car license plates and bumper stickers as well. Wow, so drugs do that to you like that? SHIT! drugs aren't child's play. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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suga10 said: Did anyone read about Karen Faye's comments from the KOP Board:-?
No, what did she say. i can´t find them there right now. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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lilgish said: Why you guys trying to knock Mj's swag? Mike had a strong pimp hand....
He dead, that's why, lol. | |
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dag said: suga10 said: Did anyone read about Karen Faye's comments from the KOP Board:-?
No, what did she say. i can´t find them there right now. Something on the lines of her best friend (MJ) being killed. [Edited 7/29/09 12:41pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: Timmy84 said: Wow, so drugs do that to you like that? SHIT! drugs aren't child's play. Yeah I see that. I saw the account of Elvis' final years and it was not a pretty picture either. Instead of starving himself tho, he was overfeeding himself a lot of food, got fat and then used drugs as comfort. He overdosed a dozen of times before he finally croaked in his bathroom nonetheless. They took a long while trying to revive him before he was pronounced dead at the hospital. Eerie that the same thing happened to Michael! | |
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