estelle81 said:

LOL agreed!

Moonbeam said:

They don't want Janet to get that fire going again. She'd wipe the floor with half of these children. The few shows that she did on her latest tour got stellar reviews by fans and critics. I'm still sad that she cancelled my Fort Lauderdale show, but I'll just wait for the next tour because Janet will be around for quite a while.

estelle81 said:

omg, that show was fucking INSANE!!! saw it in Chicago. it was schizo on every conceivable level.

it was a BEAUTIFUL DISASTER of the highest magnitude. loved every minute

I don't understand why people expected her to perform anyway. That was kind of naive.

midiscover said:

Thank u 4 defending my girl.I love this women. I had the pleasure of working with her and meeting her. She is so sweet and unaffected by stardom. I do believe MJ's death will resurrect her career and make her even bigger...She is one class act. The way she handled that superbowl incident and her brothers death is about as classy as U can get. LOVE U ALWAYS JANET and I agree Janet does sound like MJ sometimes especially on "Funny how time flys"

As long as the girl keeps trying to get back the teenybopper fans and sing only songs about bonin her career will continue to decline. Go back to Rhythm Nation where she actually was singing about other topics and have something to say.

I can't belive I am debating about JJ
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Poplife88 said:

where did I say that her albums didn't sound like the Minneapolis sound?

and as for the Madonna bit, I'm only quoting a Jam/Lewis interview.

errant said:

BLASPHEMY!

I've seen about every Janet related interview, footage or whatever known to man kind and never did I hear Jimmy Jam or Terry Lewis say that! Maybe you can prove me wrong by posting this interview on here! and besides what is a "black Madonna"? Would that require Janet to dry hump the stage floor while belting sour notes? or would that require her to build her career off controversy? Who out now is trying to be Madonna besides Lady CaCa? Nobody. Janet is the most emulated artist ever! I only can recall Jimmy Jam saying that him, Janet and Terry Lewis wanted Control to be in every black household. After seeing the success of Thriller they wanted Control to be like the black Thriller but it became more then that. It was targeted to one audience but Janet already crossed-over. And she made music history! First artist to have five Top 5 singles from one album and First artist to place six #1 R&B singles from one album.

SEANMAN said:

b4 u try 2 come down on me let me say this ..i do like janet ..her biggest mistakes recently is letting other producers come in instead of keeping the nucleus of jimmy/terry/janet. but i have 2 laugh when u say longevity ..just take a look at the album design of a decade (1986-1996) by the way the album came out in 1995! decade missed by ONE year...but in that time span, janet only released 3 albums!!!

longevity isn't about how long u've been in the game cause then we could put d'angelo and all the others that have made one or 2 albums but still around doing something..it's about the output u make that makes it longevity.

L4OATheOriginal said:

100% Correct.

as 4 the comparing mj 2 jj..the only thing i c is when they are/were on stage and doing that thing with their left leg and foot

and if janet is going 2 b working with jimmy and terry again..message 2 all involved ..GET BACK ON THOSE INSTRUMENTS and get a FUNKY BASSLINE going again!!!

errant said:

Sorry...i was drunk posting last night...I don't even care about Janet enough to post anything...so my bad.

estelle81 said:

Please, Janet shouldnt need these dumb skanks to get her fire going again - she should have it regardless - and that IMO lies the problem of her last few records. No fire - No Janet. Going through the motions of recording and performing. she gives the impression she doesnt want to be doing it.

Discipline was a cool enough record but there was still something missing and that was HER fire.

midiscover said:

I'm guessing that a 'black Madonna' is who white Madonna's first record label tried to promote her as....basically false advertising. I'm sorry, but that 'black Madonna' statement is going to have to get the 'Jessica Simpson' look:



Never has one simple look been able to say soo much.

That statement is a little inaccurate considering that Janet's first album, 'Janet Jackson', came out in 1982 and her second album, 'Dreamstreet', came out in 1984. Madonna's first album came out in late '83, early '84. Sure, neither of Janet's first two albums were big, but they were still out before Madonna's self-titled album dropped, so I don't see how Janet was trying to emulate someone who came out after her. They both became big at around the same time period 1984-1986, so I don't think either of them was trying to emulate the other at any point. I think they were both trying to make names for themselves and they both seem to have been successful in their missions.

To me, Madonna has always been more of an extrovert, while Janet has always seemed to be more of an introvert, so I'm going to assume that this is one reason why more young female artists seem to throw Madonna's name out when asked the 'who did you admire as a kid' question. When Janet wasn't performing on stage, doing videos, or promoting her albums, you really didn't see much of her. Madonna has always been the total opposite of that. She likes being seen, even when she's not doing any albums, because she knows it keeps her in the public's mind...something that Britney has emulated to the tee (most everything else Britney does is more Janet than Madonna IMO). If the public always sees you, then they don't have time to miss you and forget about you. That's one reason why I will always think Madonna is one of the smartest female entertainers in music history. I admire Janet more because she goes into hiding only coming out when it's time to do the work and people still know who she is without her having to be soo public all the time. In the end, they both have something different to offer and have both left their mark on history.

midiscover said:

Erm i think that might be something of an overstatement. Particularly in consideration of her lately deceased brother.
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Imago said:

I love Michael, but I think it's a little disrespectful when some people want to discredit Janet's talent and achievements. 'Rhythm Nation' would have been a great album if Janet wasn't Michael's little sister, because it was a very well done album. Same goes for 'janet.' and 'The Velvet Rope' IMO; both outstanding albums that would have been great works even if Janet's last name had been 'Brown' instead of 'Jackson'. I'm not saying that her brothers being famous before her didn't help her get her foot in the door, but she busted her ass to stay in that room after she went through that door and that's not an easy feat.

There have been lots of sibling acts throughout entertainment history where one of the kids was the best of the bunch and none of their siblings were ever able to come close to them. Alot of Janet's music is just as popular and great as Michael's. Sometimes it seems to be just as hard for the younger sibling of a famous person to make a name for themselves as it is for an unknown trying to make it big, because people will always compare that sibling to their older brother or sister no matter how great their music or acting may be. Julia Roberts comes to mind because her older brother, Eric Roberts, was the big star before he put her in one of his movies...now who's the bigger star?

Two other big examples of sibling success is Jessica and Ashlee Simpson; and, Beyonce and Solange Knowles. Ashlee's albums have all debuted at number 1 and gone platinum; but she will never be bigger than her sister, who doesn't even have those bragging rights. In my opinion, Solange's recent album, "Sol-Angel and the Hadley Street Dreams", is 10 times better than Beyonce's last two albums, but she'll always be just Beyonce's little sister. Man, it's like they got pigeon-holed and already have one-strike against them before they even start just because they happened to come out of the same person...that's really gotta suck big time.

estelle81 said:

Excellent POV. I've always said that there were 7 other Jacksons other than JJ and MJ, and they all had the same chance as those two, and while some made some noise on the charts, none faired half as well as MJ and JJ. Janet could have been a one hit album-wonder like the rest of her siblings, but she's always had that "something."
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CrozzaUK said:

I agree 100%. Janet seems uninterested in music at the moment and it shows in her albums. I guess that's why she's gone back to acting as of late, which I don't mind, because I think she's a pretty good actress, but I really want her to come back with that fire that she once had.

Honestly, her recent albums haven't been terrible, but they haven't come close to the level of her greats like TVR, RN, or janet. . 'All 4 U' was really the last album from her that I can listen to without hitting the skip button.

'Damita Jo' has some great songs on it, but it's too long and very mottled in it's compostion. I have exactly the same feelings about Prince's 'Planet Earth', which also has some great tracks on it, but the album, as a whole, just doesn't flow well IMO. Both of these albums are very choppy and at times seem to contain songs that were meant to just be B-Sides or were left off of previous albums due to better songs being picked over them. I don't think that either of these albums are soo awful that they induce vomiting, but they weren't anywhere near what I would consider great but that's just me.

'20 Y.O.' has some great dance tracks, but the lyrical content is pretty weak as a whole and I know she's singing those sexy songs about Jermaine, aka the gap-toothed, chocolate troll, so that's somewhat stomach turning for me because I've never liked that dude even before he hooked up with Janet.

'Discipline' didn't go anywhere because either she and/or her record label just decided to stop promoting it and they need to understand that the majority of the music listening public nowadays have the attention spans of squirrels on crack. If you don't release a video after the first video has run it's course, the album will more than likely be forgotten and sales will cease. 'Discipline' was actually a waay better album than it's two predecessors, but that's just my opinion. She needs to either go into an album making session with a real hunger to make something great or just don't make an album. Just my

Janet needs to retire. Her time is up. She's been through a lot in the last 5 years and it's seriously affected her music. She's too old to be singing about humping a dick all nite. Talk about love. But she doesn't have the voice to sing non pop music.

SEANMAN said:

Exactly. Jermaine was solo, as was LeToya, and Marlon, but they don't even come close to Michael or Janet in terms of world wide success. I don't know why Jermaine didn't get labeled as being just 'Michael Jackson's older brother', but Janet can't seem to get away from the 'MJ's little sister' title and she's a bigger star than Jermaine. Hell, even LeToya doesn't get that stamp as much as Janet. Maybe people label Janet with that title because she's the only one who even remotely came close to Michael in the talent and success departments, but they don't want to put her on his level because they idolize Michael. It really is okay to like both of them equally...don't be scared.

estelle81 said:

Jermaine can sing.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Obviously, he was a part of the Jackson 5, but when he left, Randy slid right on in there and took his spot without batting an eyelash. Pretty much all the Jacksons can sing; even Rebbie has an album and she's the oldest and least known Jackson.

estelle81 said:

same could b said about prince then there is tyka

estelle81 said:

i think the main reason 4 this is, jermaine was older and was doing his own solo stuff while in the jackson 5 while on motown. but imo he never put his stamp on much after leaving motown himself 4 serveral reasons. working with pia zadora anyone?

janet gets the label because she is the youngest of all the siblings

L4OATheOriginal said:

Hey, Freddy You in chat right now?

estelle81 said:

about 2 head in there

L4OATheOriginal said:

See you there.

estelle81 said:

even Janet caved to the influence of Madonna, late 80s early 90s throgh today female artist started using their sex appeal as their main selling point. something that Madonna has and continues to use to her advantage and better than most other artists out there. their style of Britney's performance maybe more Janet but her look is very much Madonna.

midiscover said:

blah blah blah... I'm not going to post the interview, because I have no interest in finding it. I read it like 15 years ago. As I said, (the flattering) parts of it were excerpted for the Design Of A Decade liner notes, I believe, but I care so little that I'm not going to bother. I've seen parts of it quoted pretty often, usually in sloppy celebrity bio type of crap way back when, even reprinted in a book that I rented from the library when I was about 16. He discusses the evolution of Control and how the tracks were intended for another singer, etc.....

You're the Janet nut, you go find it. I'm sure you've got a clipping of it somewhere under your bed.

errant said:

I believe this was the book: http://books.google.com/b...9vjqEmeX4C

the 1992 version, that is. I think the oritinal interview itself was from Rolling Stone, but I can't find it online.
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