heartbeatocean said:

I really loved this album when it came out but these days,I rarely listen to it.I appreciate the artistic "seriousness" of it and I love it when artists (especially pop artists) dig deeper and get all spiritual/reflective/introspective.It can be an intriguing ride.

However,this album can be depressing at times.There's only one tune that can truly be called a dance number ("Nobody Knows Me") and even that song is a little too preachy and self-righteous.'Ray Of Light' is a serious,emotionally heavy album but the music is still uptempo and vibrant,with many solid dance tracks throughout.On 'American Life',the melodies and beats are somber and low-key,which you don't expect on a Madonna album.

On the other hand,you can't dance and party all the time,so I can see where Madonna was coming from.

ANGEL overlooked again...

RKJCNE said:

Confessions is nothing but a pastiche of a million songs and melodies that came before it. Given that basically nothing on it is original, I have no clue how anyone could label it the best dance album of all time given the rich history of dance music.

If we're looking for Madonna's contender for best dance album of all time, it would be her debut.
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graecophilos said:

Sweetie, did I quote you when I said "straight acting"? No, I didn't.

Your views re: effeminate gays are offensive. That is all.

CHIC0 said:

Did I miss something? What's the latest rumored tracklist?

Moonbeam said:

I do like those songs It was refreshing to hear Madonna moving in a more adult contemporary direction,which was probably a result of the amazing success she had with "Take A Bow".

ehuffnsd said:

That information is false.In fact,next month she's filming a video for "Revolver" with Lil Wayne.I'm not too thrilled about that

Glindathegood said:

Well said.I certainly don't think of Madonna as a musical genuis and I don't like everything she does.She's an excellent dance/pop artist.That's enough for me.I don't need her to be Joni Mitchell.

SoulAlive said:

Exactly, set, when I told her/him that, he/she called me a twat.

VoicesCarry said:

I agree.

COADF is overrated. I find, the whole era was really stimulating and all, but the album is not dancey-at all. Many songs are pseudo-dance songs, LIOR, LIWB, I, FL etc...

Madonna, the first album, is a true dance album. I also add HC to it, it's full of uptempo dance numbers.

graecophilos said:

Earlier in this thread,I posed a question: what producer(s) should Madonna work with on her next album? My whole point is,there's nothing new under the sun.There is NO producer out there who could give Madonna a truly groundbreaking sound.There's nothing innovative going on in the dance/electronica genre,and the same applies to pop,R&B and hip-hop.Everyone is just recyling ideas from the past and trying to pass it off as "new" and "fresh".Even Prince's recent albums aren't the least bit experimental.Been there,done that.That's why I say that pop music is dead,artistically.There's really nowhere else to go.

I'm very happy with recent songs like "Jump","Get Together","Heartbeat" and "Miles Away".These songs didn't exactly change the world,but I'm okay with that

SoulAlive said:

You forgot Like It Or Not, Forbidden Love and Beat Goes On

jiorjios said:

I pretty much like most of the songs on 'Confessions' and 'Hard Candy'.

SoulAlive said:

it's not back to innovation, it's: back to quality.

LAV, MG, Holiday, DYU where no innnovative songs but they are GOOD. well strcutured pop songs with a funny theme that suited her image.

SoulAlive said:

I'm not sure I agree about nothing innovative in dance/electronica- there are amazing artists/scenes/groups pushing music in strange, unnerving, beautiful directions, BUT I doubt they would work with Madonna...or she with them- they work towards very different goals/outcomes- I think if she could bring her pop element to the table, then maybe...but I'm not sure Madonna would risk chart, touring success for a ground breaking album that would only have studio based success. Maybe a guest spot or one off track.
I love the more style interesting work she's produced with William Orbit, Mirwais and Pharrell Williams, agreed there was nothing to change the music world- but for a mainstream pop artist, these were amazing risks- especially with Ray Of Light after Evita etc. But I doubt she'll take a massive dive into 'new' over 'singalong'...but you never know- she's surprised me before.

midnightmover said:

So I guess 'Ray Of Light' (an album that many fans and critics consider her best work) is a boring,mediocre album,huh? This is exactly why you can't be taken seriously when it comes to analyzing Madonna's music.You dislike HER,so you could never judge her music honestly and objectively.

SoulAlive said:

I like all of the songs on Confessions and the one Hard Candy song I don't really like is "Spanish Lesson."

stevenpottle said:

I really like the stuff she did with Pharrell.I was pleasantly surprised by it,to be honest.Wouldn't mind if she worked with him again,at least on a few tracks.

SoulAlive said:

Agreed- "Ray Of Light" is anything but mediocre- a beautiful, stunning and interesting album, but I guess if you don't like Madonna then it must be another "Madonna sucking up new producer album"

SoulAlive said:

When I heard "She's Not Me" I thought- damn, wish he'd produced the whole album

AlexdeParis said:

On Confessions,the only song I don't like is "How High".It took me a long time to appreciate "Isaac".Seeing it performed on the tour really changed my view of it.

On 'Hard Candy',I don't like "Spanish Lesson" and "Voices".The album runs out of steam after "Dance 2Night".I really wish she had concluded the album with two wild,funky,uptempo Timbaland jams,then maybe use "Devil" as the final track.

stevenpottle said:

that song is trashy,silly fun....a throwback to those early 80s R&B/dance hits.In concert,this performance is wild and over the top!

stevenpottle said:

'Ray Of Light' kicked my ass! I bought it the day it was released and I was just mesmerized by it.It's a mindblowing album that takes you on a journey.

SoulAlive said:

maybe there are no two, funky Timbaland jams left? Or there are but they are crap? La, La doesn't sound promising.

Anyway, when is Timbo gonna release his album? Next year his star will be already in atmosphere, and in two years it will have reached the ground.
He better not weight any longer, especially since I wanna have a Madonna song on his album.

graecophilos said:

Actually,"La La" (based on the way he described it) is exactly what I'm dying to hear from Madonna!! A crazy,wild track that doesn't take itself too seriously...just Timbaland and Madonna having fun.It probably sounds like a Missy track.

Remember in the summer of 2007 when he revealed that he came up with 10 tracks for the album? Would love to hear those 5 tracks that didn't make the album.

stevenpottle said:

"She's Not Me" is my favorite, but I don't think I'd want a whole Pharrell album. I think the half and half setup works pretty well.

AlexdeParis said:

I agree.I love the Pharrell tracks,but I also love Timbaland's work on "Miles Away" and "Dance 2Night".It was a good balance.

SoulAlive said:

I was massively disappointed with the Timbaland tracks. I was hoping for more beats but we only got one truly uptempo number - i thought Pharrell's work was far more interesting on this album. Id love for her to work with him again.

As for what producers id like to see her work with - id love to see her do some stuff with Basment Jaax. Their stuff is more interesting and layered than most dance music. I also like Crazy P - very disco oriented. I think Shakira's new song is fantastic - i think she wrote that with The Bravery - but its a direction id love to see her go in. I also thought Andy Cato from Groove Armada did a great job with Roisin on her album, but everyone seems to be working with them. Another dance Dj i quite like is Rex The Dog - id be interested to see how they could work together.

Away from dance music Id quite simply like to hear her produce something a little more relaxed and organic sounding. Not an american Life folktronica type thing - more of a live album with a fucking good band. I dlike to see her write more stuff with joe Henry. i love all their collaborations to date.

graecophilos said:

and you continue to be a self loathing homophobic gay male twat.

SoulAlive said:

Dance 2night is my favorite track on the album.