jiorjios said: onenitealone said: Me too! Just the general reaction of most fans is . I can see why they think it's too saccharine and schmaltzy but I like it. We're in a minority. I can't say I hate it but it's definitely not among Prince's best moments. But hey he has done much worse that that (New Power Generation?) Another song I love!!! New Power Soul, vocal version, on the other hand... I hate that. | |
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jiorjios said: onenitealone said: Me too! Just the general reaction of most fans is . I can see why they think it's too saccharine and schmaltzy but I like it. We're in a minority. I can't say I hate it but it's definitely not among Prince's best moments. But hey he has done much worse that that (New Power Generation?) I'm not a fan of "Dear Jessie" or "The Arms of Orion," but I absolutely love "New Power Generation." "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: jiorjios said: I can't say I hate it but it's definitely not among Prince's best moments. But hey he has done much worse that that (New Power Generation?) I'm not a fan of "Dear Jessie" or "The Arms of Orion," but I absolutely love "New Power Generation." OK the thread should now officially change its title to 'MADONNA:Greatest Hits, New Tracks, Summer Tour & Prince's The Arms Of Orion & New Power Generation | |
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jiorjios said: AlexdeParis said: I'm not a fan of "Dear Jessie" or "The Arms of Orion," but I absolutely love "New Power Generation." OK the thread should now officially change its title to 'MADONNA:Greatest Hits, New Tracks, Summer Tour & Prince's The Arms Of Orion & New Power Generation Okaaaaay... back on track... | |
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onenitealone said: errant said: Dear Jessie is one of those songs... I used to love it. I don't know why. Because I absolutely detest it now. I hate that it was released as a single anywhere, because I hate having to include it on my 4-disc comprehensive singles collection (yes, it really does take 4 discs now. exactly. even with edits.) its b-side Till Death Do Us Part would have made a better single, I think. or at least a more tolerable looking back at her discography 20 years later
I love the fact that the music geek in you HAS to put it on your compilations, even though you detest it. yeah, I'm so anal retentive about following my own "rules" when making a CD compilation that I really suck all the fun right out of it maybe that's why I don't do it anymore | |
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errant said: onenitealone said: My money's on popular. Madonna-whore that I am, though, I'll still love it. yeah, me too. the law of diminishing returns has kicked in for me, though. her albums stick with me less and less as time goes on, ever since ROL. maybe i'm just over her. i've felt the exact same way, too. cept for confressions. and when she decided to do a greatest hits tour - from about 2004 through 2006 i was back 'on.' And i was excited for this last tour and i actually DO like much of hard candy. i dunno, though. justin, "Timberland," (as she would say), the horrible S&S show, - but then "Give it 2 me" is a great song. "Celebration" feels just OK right now. but i can't say i am not totally famming out on this new GH collection about now. and i did bump GHV2 the other night after smoking something really strong and i was surprised at how much i loved every single song on there - esp Bedtime Story, Take a Bow, Deeper and Deeper, Power of Goodbye, Frozen and the original version of Music. so i dunno. she'll always be in my top big 6 that looks unlikely to ever change, and i still have the the faith she can do a great show again. I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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badujunkie said: errant said: yeah, me too. the law of diminishing returns has kicked in for me, though. her albums stick with me less and less as time goes on, ever since ROL. maybe i'm just over her. i've felt the exact same way, too. cept for confressions. and when she decided to do a greatest hits tour - from about 2004 through 2006 i was back 'on.' And i was excited for this last tour and i actually DO like much of hard candy. i dunno, though. justin, "Timberland," (as she would say), the horrible S&S show, - but then "Give it 2 me" is a great song. "Celebration" feels just OK right now. but i can't say i am not totally famming out on this new GH collection about now. and i did bump GHV2 the other night after smoking something really strong and i was surprised at how much i loved every single song on there - esp Bedtime Story, Take a Bow, Deeper and Deeper, Power of Goodbye, Frozen and the original version of Music. so i dunno. she'll always be in my top big 6 that looks unlikely to ever change, and i still have the the faith she can do a great show again. Agreed. I loved Hard Candy but thought the acccompanying tour was... uninspired. I went to the opening night, here in Cardiff, and was so disappointed. I love her, but thought this show lacked something. I've seen your comments here previously about the HC tour and always agree. People can keep wheeling out the 'highest grossing' this and the 'most successful' that but, for some of us, it just wasn't that great. If they loved it, fine ; personally, for some reason, I think it's something I'd enjoy far more on dvd. As for this Greatest Hits, I keep saying it , but I just wish we were getting a box-set. I'll get 'Celebration', as I always do, but look forward to an album of new material far more. | |
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errant said: onenitealone said: I love the fact that the music geek in you HAS to put it on your compilations, even though you detest it. yeah, I'm so anal retentive about following my own "rules" when making a CD compilation that I really suck all the fun right out of it maybe that's why I don't do it anymore I miss the days of sitting in front of my tape deck, stopping and starting, creating the *perfect* mix. There again, it would take bloody hours... Music fans are such geeks. | |
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onenitealone said: badujunkie said: i've felt the exact same way, too. cept for confressions. and when she decided to do a greatest hits tour - from about 2004 through 2006 i was back 'on.' And i was excited for this last tour and i actually DO like much of hard candy. i dunno, though. justin, "Timberland," (as she would say), the horrible S&S show, - but then "Give it 2 me" is a great song. "Celebration" feels just OK right now. but i can't say i am not totally famming out on this new GH collection about now. and i did bump GHV2 the other night after smoking something really strong and i was surprised at how much i loved every single song on there - esp Bedtime Story, Take a Bow, Deeper and Deeper, Power of Goodbye, Frozen and the original version of Music. so i dunno. she'll always be in my top big 6 that looks unlikely to ever change, and i still have the the faith she can do a great show again. Agreed. I loved Hard Candy but thought the acccompanying tour was... uninspired. I went to the opening night, here in Cardiff, and was so disappointed. I love her, but thought this show lacked something. I've seen your comments here previously about the HC tour and always agree. People can keep wheeling out the 'highest grossing' this and the 'most successful' that but, for some of us, it just wasn't that great. If they loved it, fine ; personally, for some reason, I think it's something I'd enjoy far more on dvd. As for this Greatest Hits, I keep saying it , but I just wish we were getting a box-set. I'll get 'Celebration', as I always do, but look forward to an album of new material far more. i was bored at the show but i saw Live In Argentina and loved it. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: i was bored at the show but i saw Live In Argentina and loved it.
Wow, Eric - I am really shocked to hear you say that. I haven't watched the footage yet but I have a feeling it'll translate well to screen; in person... not so much. Weird! On the next tour, I want: ~ no butchering of classics ('Borderline') ~ no guitar wielding (yeah, Madge, we get it - you've learned how to strum a guitar. How about replacing the 15 minutes trying to convince us that you're a guitar hero with a kickass dance section?) ~ no cheap stunts (although she's made a career out of it j/k, sorta) ~ absolutely, under no circumstances, have a 'Gypsy' section (that 8 hour section was one of the most boring things I have ever seen in concert and I'd never associate that word with Madonna ) Regardless, I am always interested to see what she comes up - there aren't many stars out there pushing boundandaries and always looking forward in the same way Madonna does. . [Edited 8/2/09 15:46pm] | |
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onenitealone said: ~ absolutely, under no circumstances, have a 'Gypsy' section (that 8 hour section was ome of the most boring things I have ever seen in concert and I'd never associate that word with Madonna disbelief) um, yeah. the spanish/latin/gypsy section of all of her tours needs to be CUT. she's getting to be like Janet in that regard, where for every tour, the format of the show is laid out, but just swapping songs in/out of each section. | |
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I didn't think the Sticky and Sweet tour was bad, especially if you hold it up to any other show by anyone else in the universe. The She's Not Me sequence kicked butt, the 80's part was fun, and at least at the show I saw -- she seemed to put her heart into it. Especially for Heartbeat and Miles Away. | |
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errant said: um, yeah. the spanish/latin/gypsy section of all of her tours needs to be CUT. she's getting to be like Janet in that regard, where for every tour, the format of the show is laid out, but just swapping songs in/out of each section.
Credit where it's due, I am always impressed by Madonna's refusal to do 'Hits' tours over and over again - she always promotes the album she's just released (just like Prince used to ). But that whole section sent me to SLEEP. Madonna, sitting cross-legged - like she was sitting round the campfire at Summer camp - singing 'You Must Love Me' all cutesy and twee and that man with the beard who was on stage longer than her backing singers, it seemed... I couldn't take it a second longer. Awful. . [Edited 8/2/09 15:58pm] | |
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heartbeatocean said: I didn't think the Sticky and Sweet tour was bad, especially if you hold it up to any other show by anyone else in the universe. The She's Not Me sequence kicked butt, the 80's part was fun, and at least at the show I saw -- she seemed to put her heart into it. Especially for Heartbeat and Miles Away.
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onenitealone said: ehuffnsd said: i was bored at the show but i saw Live In Argentina and loved it.
Wow, Eric - I am really shocked to hear you say that. I haven't watched the footage yet but I have a feeling it'll translate well to screen; in person... not so much. Weird! On the next tour, I want: ~ no butchering of classics ('Borderline') ~ no guitar wielding (yeah, Madge, we get it - you've learned how to strum a guitar. How about replacing the 15 minutes trying to convince us that you're a guitar hero with a kickass dance section?) ~ no cheap stunts (although she's made a career out of it j/k, sorta) ~ absolutely, under no circumstances, have a 'Gypsy' section (that 8 hour section was one of the most boring things I have ever seen in concert and I'd never associate that word with Madonna ) Regardless, I am always interested to see what she comes up - there aren't many stars out there pushing boundandaries and always looking forward in the same way Madonna does. . [Edited 8/2/09 15:46pm] there was alot going on for me at the show. i didn't like our seats and it was election nights so i was getting text message updates on prop 8. i might have enjoyed it more had my mind not been distracted by what was going on just a few blocks away at Golden Hall in SD. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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SoulAlive said: heartbeatocean said: I didn't think the Sticky and Sweet tour was bad, especially if you hold it up to any other show by anyone else in the universe. The She's Not Me sequence kicked butt, the 80's part was fun, and at least at the show I saw -- she seemed to put her heart into it. Especially for Heartbeat and Miles Away.
Not surprisingly,"Miles Away" was my favorite performance Me too. It was incredibly moving, and the emotion behind it so fresh and authentic. Wow. | |
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ehuffnsd said: there was alot going on for me at the show. i didn't like our seats and it was election nights so i was getting text message updates on prop 8. i might have enjoyed it more had my mind not been distracted by what was going on just a few blocks away at Golden Hall in SD.
Hmmmm, I can see why that would be very distracting... | |
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heartbeatocean said: SoulAlive said: Not surprisingly,"Miles Away" was my favorite performance Me too. It was incredibly moving, and the emotion behind it so fresh and authentic. Wow. From the moment I first heard that song,I knew that it would work extremely well in a live setting. | |
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onenitealone said: ehuffnsd said: there was alot going on for me at the show. i didn't like our seats and it was election nights so i was getting text message updates on prop 8. i might have enjoyed it more had my mind not been distracted by what was going on just a few blocks away at Golden Hall in SD.
Hmmmm, I can see why that would be very distracting... irony of sorts. saw George Michael the day the supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage, and Madonna the night CA took it away. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Dude come on get a regular band fuck - use musicians circa 1993 circa 1993 please! translate the dance recrods into a live band setting again a la The Virgin Tour and The Girlie Show and The WTG tour. Please! Actually strike WTG - S&S was totally WTG pt II I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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onenitealone said: errant said: um, yeah. the spanish/latin/gypsy section of all of her tours needs to be CUT. she's getting to be like Janet in that regard, where for every tour, the format of the show is laid out, but just swapping songs in/out of each section.
Credit where it's due, I am always impressed by Madonna's refusal to do 'Hits' tours over and over again - she always promotes the album she's just released (just like Prince used to ). But that whole section sent me to SLEEP. Madonna, sitting cross-legged - like she was sitting round the campfire at Summer camp - singing 'You Must Love Me' all cutesy and twee and that man with the beard who was on stage longer than her backing singers, it seemed... I couldn't take it a second longer. Awful. . [Edited 8/2/09 15:58pm] "I think I must have been latin in another life." I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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I would love one disc of ballads and one disc of dance cuts.
she needs to update STR so bad. -Power Of Goodbye -To Have and Not to Hold -Drowned World -Nobody's Perfect -Gone -Time Stood Still -Miles Away etc etc would kick ass I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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I'm the opposite of a lot of people here. I hated HC the album, but I loved the Sticky and Sweet Tour. I was actually not looking forward to the tour after hearing the album, but I surprised myself and had a great time.
I think these days she puts more effort into the tours than the albums. When she's writing the album, she's already thinking of the tour. I think she needs to just focus on writing a great album and then come up with the tour ideas based on the album, not the other way around. I like it that she changes the old songs, I don't consider it butchering. I don't mind her guitar playing and the rock sections. I think she needs variety in her shows. An all dance show would be boring. But I agree I don't like the gypsy stuff. I think maybe for the next tour, she needs to change the format and not have the four sections thing. | |
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Glindathegood said: I'm the opposite of a lot of people here. I hated HC the album, but I loved the Sticky and Sweet Tour. I was actually not looking forward to the tour after hearing the album, but I surprised myself and had a great time.
I think these days she puts more effort into the tours than the albums. When she's writing the album, she's already thinking of the tour. I think she needs to just focus on writing a great album and then come up with the tour ideas based on the album, not the other way around. I like it that she changes the old songs, I don't consider it butchering. I don't mind her guitar playing and the rock sections. I think she needs variety in her shows. An all dance show would be boring. But I agree I don't like the gypsy stuff. I think maybe for the next tour, she needs to change the format and not have the four sections thing. considering the distaste, often borderline hostility, she displays toward a lot of her older work, you'd think she'd put more effort into her newer music, unless she wants to get stuck performing songs from the 80's for the rest of her career. | |
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errant said: Glindathegood said: I'm the opposite of a lot of people here. I hated HC the album, but I loved the Sticky and Sweet Tour. I was actually not looking forward to the tour after hearing the album, but I surprised myself and had a great time.
I think these days she puts more effort into the tours than the albums. When she's writing the album, she's already thinking of the tour. I think she needs to just focus on writing a great album and then come up with the tour ideas based on the album, not the other way around. I like it that she changes the old songs, I don't consider it butchering. I don't mind her guitar playing and the rock sections. I think she needs variety in her shows. An all dance show would be boring. But I agree I don't like the gypsy stuff. I think maybe for the next tour, she needs to change the format and not have the four sections thing. considering the distaste, often borderline hostility, she displays toward a lot of her older work, you'd think she'd put more effort into her newer music, unless she wants to get stuck performing songs from the 80's for the rest of her career. I think it's just a phase she's going through. Like around the Ray Of Light/Music era she would say she hates her older music and I believe she was honest because that's what she was feeling at the time. Then she got bored of it and got into this re-arranging her 80s tunes, putting all of her efforts into touring and riding the 80s nostalgia bandwagon but I'm sure she'll get bored of it soon and come up with something new. Although I love HC and I like Confessions I have to admit that after American Life Madonna sounds more and more as an established act whose best days are behind her (kind of like Prince in the late 90s) and that still feels kinda new and weird from her (even though it lasts for 5 years already) [Edited 8/2/09 22:09pm] | |
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badujunkie said: Dude come on get a regular band fuck - use musicians circa 1993 circa 1993 please! translate the dance recrods into a live band setting again a la The Virgin Tour and The Girlie Show and The WTG tour. Please! Actually strike WTG - S&S was totally WTG pt II
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errant said: considering the distaste, often borderline hostility, she displays toward a lot of her older work... pun intended? | |
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Moonbeam said: errant said: Dear Jessie is one of those songs... I used to love it. I don't know why. Because I absolutely detest it now. I hate that it was released as a single anywhere, because I hate having to include it on my 4-disc comprehensive singles collection (yes, it really does take 4 discs now. exactly. even with edits.) its b-side Till Death Do Us Part would have made a better single, I think. or at least a more tolerable looking back at her discography 20 years later
I'm thinking of making my own set. I think it'll be 5 discs as I'm going to include promo singles, etc. Mind sending me your tracklist with track times? Here it is, with some notes. It's a quick and dirty version worked up in iTunes playlists because I haven't actually burned a CD compilation in a few years. (Yeah, can you believe it? It seems like that's ALL I ever spent my time doing. Literally.) Can't find the last version I burned, but needless to say, the artwork I made for it was breath-takingly stunning and detailed, as always I used to be able to include radio "hits" like Where's The Party and Don't Stop, or obscure international singles like Over And Over, and my own (complicated!) edits of I Want You and Paradise (Not For Me). I was even able to represent every album with exactly 6 songs. But over time, all of those thing got pushed out as more singles were released and it's now just down to stuff that got an official single/promo. Disc 1 1 Everybody 3:58 (7" edit) 2 Physical Attraction 3:53 (7" edit) 3 Burning Up 3:43 (album version) 4 Holiday 4:06 (radio edit) 5 Lucky Star 3:50 (edit) 6 Borderline 3:55 (7" remix) 7 Like A Virgin 3:39 (album version) 8 Material Girl 4:00 (album version) 9 Crazy For You 4:12 (album version) 10 Angel 3:43 (7" edit) 11 Into The Groove 4:11 (my own early fade of the original single version) 12 Dress You Up 4:01 (album version) 13 Gambler 3:56 (album version) 14 Love Don't Live Here Anymore 4:02 (my own edit of the album version based on the 1996 remix radio edits) 15 Live To Tell 4:37 (edit) 16 Papa Don't Preach 3:48 (radio edit) 17 True Blue 4:04 (radio edit) 18 Open Your Heart 4:12 (album version) 19 La Isla Bonita 4:01 (album version) 20 Spotlight 4:33 (single edit) Disc 2 1 Who's That Girl 3:58 (album version) 2 Causing A Commotion 4:05 (silver screen single mix) 3 The Look Of Love 4:02 (album version) 4 Like A Prayer 5:05 (7" version with fade) 5 Express Yourself 4:36 (7" remix) 6 Cherish 4:03 (7" version) 7 Oh Father 4:26 (edit) 8 Dear Jessie 3:55 (my own early fade of album version - the shit just goes ON AND ON) 9 Keep It Together 4:35 (single remix) 10 Vogue 4:22 (single version - though I'd probably now replace it with the album version with that iconic opening) 11 Hanky Panky 3:50 (bare bones single mix) 12 Justify My Love 5:00 (album version) 13 Rescue Me 4:53 (single mix) 14 This Used To Be My Playground 4:43 (Barcelona Gold album version - shorter than the single version for some reason) 15 Erotica 4:33 (album edit) 16 Deeper And Deeper 4:54 (album edit) 17 Bad Girl 4:37 (edit) 18 Fever 4:03 (remix/edit one) Disc 3 1 Rain 4:33 (video edit - because that radio remix is STRAIGHT UP ASS!) 2 Bye Bye Baby 3:57 (album version) 3 I'll Remember 4:20 (album version) 4 Secret 4:34 (radio edit) 5 Take A Bow 4:31 (edit) 6 Bedtime Story 4:06 (album edit) 7 Human Nature 4:31 (video version - I actually like the effect of the door slam on the word shit, plus "absolutely no regrets" AND the radio version of this song completely sucks) 8 You'll See 4:18 (edit) 9 One More Chance 3:42 (fade - although ironically, the shorter version kind of sucks more than the album version, if you can believe it) 10 You Must Love Me 3:07 (single version - ironically longer than the album version, with strings intro instead of acapella) 11 Don't Cry For Me Argentina 4:30 (miami mix edit) 12 Another Suitcase In Another Hall 3:33 (album version) 13 Buenos Aires 4:06 (te amo radio edit - though I think I'd probably replace it with the album version or one of those rare remixes that sounds like the album version - I kind of hate this remix) 14 Frozen 5:10 (radio edit) 15 Ray Of Light 4:35 (radio edit) 16 Drowned World/Substitute For Love 4:46 (radio edit) 17 The Power Of Goodbye 4:10 (album version) 18 Nothing Really Matters 4:10 (edit) 19 Beautiful Stranger 3:56 (orbit radio edit) Disc 4 1 American Pie 4:33 (album version) 2 Music 3:46 (album version) 3 Don't Tell Me 4:11 (radio edit) 4 What It Feels Like For A Girl 4:02 (radio edit) 5 Impressive Instant 3:38 (album version - because I hate the remixes and the radio version of them is still too long at 5:30) 6 Die Another Day 3:29 (radio edit) 7 American Life 4:27 (radio edit with rap) 8 Hollywood 3:43 (radio edit) 9 Nobody Knows Me 4:39 (album version) 10 Love Profusion 3:16 (headcleanr rock mix - just because it's freakin' awesome) 11 Nothing Fails 3:46 (radio edit - but I'd probably replace it with the album version - the radio edit loses out so many of the good parts) 12 Hung Up 3:22 (radio version - the one with the vocals in the outro fade) 13 Sorry 3:58 (single edit/radio version) 14 Get Together 3:55 (radio edit) 15 Jump 3:22 (radio edit) 16 Hey You 4:13 (it really pains me to have to include this here, but since it's officially a download single, it'll be the first one to hit the road when there's a new album or single) 17 4 Minutes 3:12 (edit) 18 Give It 2 Me 4:03 (edit - although I may have to make my own edit, because there's way too much of that "get stupid" bullshit in the official one) 19 Miles Away 3:43 (radio edit) 20 Celebration 3:35 (album version - i'm guessing) 21 Revolver ??? (it will go here, I'm guessing) [Edited 8/2/09 22:42pm] | |
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Cinnie said: omg errant you're blowin' my mind here
yeah, it's pretty fucking awesome if I do say so myself probably my favorite/most satisfying/successful ongoing cd project for the last 10 years. | |
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