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Reply #2280 posted 07/28/09 10:26am

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Timmy84 said:

dag said:


This is great!

As for the news. neutral And thanks for that article on Lupus, whoever posted it. That was interesting.

On a lighter note, this is hilarious.

[Edited 7/28/09 1:37am]


Look like the dude was trying to hit on MJ and MJ was like "mmkay" and went to the other side, lol. Or they could just be making faces, lol.

lol I love the face Mike makes before he changes sides.
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P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!! whistle
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Reply #2281 posted 07/28/09 10:31am

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Is that John Lovitz' brother ?
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Reply #2282 posted 07/28/09 10:37am

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Source: Police search Jackson doctor's home, office

http://www.cnn.com/2009/S...index.html

His ass is toast. Its just a matter of time. disbelief
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Reply #2283 posted 07/28/09 10:38am

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Another video of Mike with the ladies. First making sure the bodyguard got the number of tha blond girl he asked before and than asking another girl how does her piercing work givin her a hug a replying to a man who said "do I see something sticking out", "You nasty".lol

And that smirk she makes by looking sideways while she's hug -ing lol
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Reply #2284 posted 07/28/09 10:45am

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Here's the PDF version of Michaels 1988 autobiography "Moonwalk".

http://www.mjshouse.com/d...k_book.pdf
[Edited 7/28/09 10:46am]
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Reply #2285 posted 07/28/09 10:50am

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Here's the PDF version of Michaels 1988 autobiography "Moonwalk".

http://www.mjshouse.com/d...k_book.pdf

thumbs up! Somebody has been scanning for awhile lol clapping
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Reply #2286 posted 07/28/09 10:50am

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seeingvoices12 said:
SoulAlive said:
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OMG...Soullive.....disbelief This is the last thing I wanna hear, To hear that Mj was murdered is just Outrageous and horrible, I can't believe this disbelief sad


Seriously,what was that doctor thinking?! disbelief



how the hell he will be charged with manslaughter when he knew the effect of the shit he was giving him, I don't know what he was thinking disbelief


Despite all of the press hype and the leaked media stories, I still will reserve some judgment on Michael Jackson's death until the actual toxicology report is released. As for Dr. Conrad Murray, I believe he is being made a scapegoat for Michael's death. He may have administered the lethal dose of medicine which killed MJ, but Micheal set himself on this very deadly path years ago. He had a history of addiction to painkillers, anti-depressants, and sleep medication, and his family had tried an intervention to stop his apparent drug use. A lot of commentary has been made about the drug Michael was given to resolve his insomnia issues, and how it isn't usually administered outside of a hospital setting, but then again we aren't talking about your typical patient. If Michael had wanted a heart transplant at his house, he probably could have gotten a surgeon to do that. Nevertheless, people were stunned senseless at his untimely demise, and the LAPD and LA County District Attorney's office are probably under enormous pressure to charge anybody for his death, even if it was accidental, because he was such a huge icon.

Plus we don't know as of yet whether Michael had any other drugs in his system at the time of his death. If it turns out that Michael had Xanax, Vicodin, Demerol, or any other powerful drug in his system, then the drug interaction with the anesthesia drug was enough to have killed him. And going back to Dr. Murray, he may have had a prior relationship with Michael, but he was being paid by the company sponsoring his London concerts, so there was enormous pressure to keep Michael ready for those shows in the first place. If Michael hadn't been in such huge financial debt in the first place, he probably wouldn't have done the concerts in the first place, and he wouldn't have needed all of those medications.

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Reply #2287 posted 07/28/09 10:51am

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mimi07 said:

NastradumasKid said:




lol I've never seen it or heard the song, but I was assuming he was talking about "Ben".

eek REALLY?!?

the video and song is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G


[Edited 7/21/09 12:02pm]

Love this video.
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Reply #2288 posted 07/28/09 10:52am

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Shango said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Here's the PDF version of Michaels 1988 autobiography "Moonwalk".

http://www.mjshouse.com/d...k_book.pdf

thumbs up! Somebody has been scanning for awhile lol clapping


LOL! No problem
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Reply #2289 posted 07/28/09 10:53am

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Shango said:


thumbs up! Somebody has been scanning for awhile lol clapping


LOL! No problem

You scanned it all ? ... eek ... wow.
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Reply #2290 posted 07/28/09 11:03am

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mimi07 said:

Source: Police search Jackson doctor's home, office

http://www.cnn.com/2009/S...index.html

His ass is toast. Its just a matter of time. disbelief





Indeed, Murray is running scared like a caged animal, as he should. He's dangerous, unethical scum. But I also believe MJ bears responsibility for the long-term drug abuse & experimentation.
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Reply #2291 posted 07/28/09 11:19am

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Copycat said:

dreamfactory313 said:


His ass is toast. Its just a matter of time. disbelief





Indeed, Murray is running scared like a caged animal, as he should. He's dangerous, unethical scum. But I also believe MJ bears responsibility for the long-term drug abuse & experimentation.



but if you're addicted to drugs you can't think rationally so how can MJ bear responsibility when in his mind there is nothing wrong? he trust the doctors who are ethically and legally bound to "do no harm" and he's feeling relief with the legal drugs being given to him.

I mean if someone told him at the onset "if you use this drug it is higly likely that it will kill you" then yeah he bears responsibility however after decades of prescription drug use under the care of doctors and the only friend to have publicly gotten him into rehab, it seems he was definitely the victim here. Murray and his cohorts were not on drugs so they knew better and had the proper training as well. Murray sucks but I don't think he should be the sole person being investigated. 19 doctors doped up MJ not just him. I guess he just did it the longest or got the most money out of it. sad
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Reply #2292 posted 07/28/09 11:21am

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The official said Jackson regularly received propofol to sleep, relying on the drug like an alarm clock. A doctor would administer it when he went to sleep, then stop the intravenous drip when he wanted to wake up.




What the hell??!! That's insane.
Michael was on an inevitable collision course with death when he elected to start using a dangerous surgical drug as a sleep aid. He was being both irresponsible & reckless.


That source, who's also reportedly being investigated for leaking the info about the "doctor" said that Michael was giving Diprivan for TWO YEARS. disbelief
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Reply #2293 posted 07/28/09 11:24am

Timmy84

DesireeNevermind said:

Copycat said:






Indeed, Murray is running scared like a caged animal, as he should. He's dangerous, unethical scum. But I also believe MJ bears responsibility for the long-term drug abuse & experimentation.



but if you're addicted to drugs you can't think rationally so how can MJ bear responsibility when in his mind there is nothing wrong? he trust the doctors who are ethically and legally bound to "do no harm" and he's feeling relief with the legal drugs being given to him.

I mean if someone told him at the onset "if you use this drug it is higly likely that it will kill you" then yeah he bears responsibility however after decades of prescription drug use under the care of doctors and the only friend to have publicly gotten him into rehab, it seems he was definitely the victim here. Murray and his cohorts were not on drugs so they knew better and had the proper training as well. Murray sucks but I don't think he should be the sole person being investigated. 19 doctors doped up MJ not just him. I guess he just did it the longest or got the most money out of it. sad


MJ had yes-men and enablers. If someone told him "no I can't give you that stuff", he'd move on to someone else. I think the guy should be charged with what he did to MJ, but it ain't like anyone intentionally tried to kill him. If anything, the doctor acted so foolishly that he left the door open for anything. But they ARE investigating him for manslaughter. And he's sure not the only one who doped MJ up. FAR from it. But remember MJ went to these docs and the docs did as "the king" told them. So while shame on the docs, MJ was responsible for where he got the shit even if it was just to "help him". Remember he was addicted to the stuff.
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Reply #2294 posted 07/28/09 11:28am

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Murray is apparently living in fear now.


As he should. mad
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Reply #2295 posted 07/28/09 11:34am

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French artist sculpts Jackson in outdoor tribute

(AP) – 2 hours ago

PARIS — French artist Jean-Baptiste Seckler is sculpting a public tribute to the late Michael Jackson in front of Paris' Pompidou Center.

Seckler says he wanted to sculpt outdoors to break "the silence and the concentration" required by sculpting or painting. He says a public place is appropriate for a sculture of the pop star because Jackson's death "affected everyone, whether you like him or not."

Seckler was working Tuesday on the likeness. He began the project July 25, four weeks after Jackson's death.

He says in an interview with Associated Press Television News that painters are often seen on the streets of Paris but rarely sculptors.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
[Edited 7/28/09 11:35am]
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Reply #2296 posted 07/28/09 11:35am

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We won't know for sure until the reports come back. & the FDA did recall some Propofol very recently because it was contaminated. That might have had a part in it we just don't know. My sister who is also a nurse said that propofol can get contaminated very easily when used outside a hospital setting.
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Reply #2297 posted 07/28/09 11:38am

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Timmy84 said:

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but if you're addicted to drugs you can't think rationally so how can MJ bear responsibility when in his mind there is nothing wrong? he trust the doctors who are ethically and legally bound to "do no harm" and he's feeling relief with the legal drugs being given to him.

I mean if someone told him at the onset "if you use this drug it is higly likely that it will kill you" then yeah he bears responsibility however after decades of prescription drug use under the care of doctors and the only friend to have publicly gotten him into rehab, it seems he was definitely the victim here. Murray and his cohorts were not on drugs so they knew better and had the proper training as well. Murray sucks but I don't think he should be the sole person being investigated. 19 doctors doped up MJ not just him. I guess he just did it the longest or got the most money out of it. sad


MJ had yes-men and enablers. If someone told him "no I can't give you that stuff", he'd move on to someone else. I think the guy should be charged with what he did to MJ, but it ain't like anyone intentionally tried to kill him. If anything, the doctor acted so foolishly that he left the door open for anything. But they ARE investigating him for manslaughter. And he's sure not the only one who doped MJ up. FAR from it. But remember MJ went to these docs and the docs did as "the king" told them. So while shame on the docs, MJ was responsible for where he got the shit even if it was just to "help him". Remember he was addicted to the stuff.



But that's my point. He was ADDICTED. An addict isn't thinking right. They often are not aware that the drugs they are injesting are killing them especially when you are talking about prescription meds. Also, many prescription meds have warnings of side effects but it's always some miniscule percentage that those side effects will occur. People take the stuff because they think it is safe and non-habit forming. Ask anyone, I bet most wouldn't think to classify prescription meds in the same category as crack or heroin. In MJ's case, I don't think it was communicated to him in the beginning that any of the drugs he was taking were dangerous and deadly. The docs probably just gave him the stuff and took the money without thinking twice about his safety.

Also, I disagree that they weren't trying to kill him. As a doctor, you know what the side effects are of a drug and in what dosage that drug would become lethal. You know your patient's history and health before you prescribe ANYTHING.
They knew he would eventually die, they had to have known. You cannot be an ethical doctor and a yes-man at the same time. The other doctors are complicit because they could have and should have accessed MJ's med records and seen all the drugs he was taking. They could look at him and see visible side of effects of any of the drugs he was asking for. They all killed him and they should all lose their licenses with a select few going to prison. Murray at the top because he apparently was there the longest and had the most recent questionable drugs in his place of business and home.
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Reply #2298 posted 07/28/09 11:38am

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French artist sculpts Jackson in outdoor tribute

(AP) – 2 hours ago

PARIS — French artist Jean-Baptiste Seckler is sculpting a public tribute to the late Michael Jackson in front of Paris' Pompidou Center.

Seckler says he wanted to sculpt outdoors to break "the silence and the concentration" required by sculpting or painting. He says a public place is appropriate for a sculture of the pop star because Jackson's death "affected everyone, whether you like him or not."

Seckler was working Tuesday on the likeness. He began the project July 25, four weeks after Jackson's death.

He says in an interview with Associated Press Television News that painters are often seen on the streets of Paris but rarely sculptors.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
[Edited 7/28/09 11:35am]

He got the baby hair right lol
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #2299 posted 07/28/09 11:40am

Timmy84

StillDirrty said:

We won't know for sure until the reports come back. & the FDA did recall some Propofol very recently because it was contaminated. That might have had a part in it we just don't know. My sister who is also a nurse said that propofol can get contaminated very easily when used outside a hospital setting.


I heard that too. That's why I'm not sure I wanna go "happy happy joy joy" over this "raid". They always do this so they can build some case. I'll wait until the reports come back too.
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Reply #2300 posted 07/28/09 11:42am

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MJ had yes-men and enablers. If someone told him "no I can't give you that stuff", he'd move on to someone else. I think the guy should be charged with what he did to MJ, but it ain't like anyone intentionally tried to kill him. If anything, the doctor acted so foolishly that he left the door open for anything. But they ARE investigating him for manslaughter. And he's sure not the only one who doped MJ up. FAR from it. But remember MJ went to these docs and the docs did as "the king" told them. So while shame on the docs, MJ was responsible for where he got the shit even if it was just to "help him". Remember he was addicted to the stuff.



But that's my point. He was ADDICTED. An addict isn't thinking right. They often are not aware that the drugs they are injesting are killing them especially when you are talking about prescription meds. Also, many prescription meds have warnings of side effects but it's always some miniscule percentage that those side effects will occur. People take the stuff because they think it is safe and non-habit forming. Ask anyone, I bet most wouldn't think to classify prescription meds in the same category as crack or heroin. In MJ's case, I don't think it was communicated to him in the beginning that any of the drugs he was taking were dangerous and deadly. The docs probably just gave him the stuff and took the money without thinking twice about his safety.

Also, I disagree that they weren't trying to kill him. As a doctor, you know what the side effects are of a drug and in what dosage that drug would become lethal. You know your patient's history and health before you prescribe ANYTHING.
They knew he would eventually die, they had to have known. You cannot be an ethical doctor and a yes-man at the same time. The other doctors are complicit because they could have and should have accessed MJ's med records and seen all the drugs he was taking. They could look at him and see visible side of effects of any of the drugs he was asking for. They all killed him and they should all lose their licenses with a select few going to prison. Murray at the top because he apparently was there the longest and had the most recent questionable drugs in his place of business and home.


Like I said, Murray ain't nothing but a yes-man, a Cathy Smith kind of a person. If anything, he'll make a deal. I'm assuming the other doctors would too. Whatever happens it's not going to bring Michael back.
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Reply #2301 posted 07/28/09 11:42am

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French artist sculpts Jackson in outdoor tribute

(AP) – 2 hours ago

PARIS — French artist Jean-Baptiste Seckler is sculpting a public tribute to the late Michael Jackson in front of Paris' Pompidou Center.

Seckler says he wanted to sculpt outdoors to break "the silence and the concentration" required by sculpting or painting. He says a public place is appropriate for a sculture of the pop star because Jackson's death "affected everyone, whether you like him or not."

Seckler was working Tuesday on the likeness. He began the project July 25, four weeks after Jackson's death.

He says in an interview with Associated Press Television News that painters are often seen on the streets of Paris but rarely sculptors.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
[Edited 7/28/09 11:35am]

He got the baby hair right lol


You know he was looking at one of the "Thriller"-era pics REAL CLOSELY! lol
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Reply #2302 posted 07/28/09 11:42am

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StillDirrty said:

We won't know for sure until the reports come back. & the FDA did recall some Propofol very recently because it was contaminated. That might have had a part in it we just don't know. My sister who is also a nurse said that propofol can get contaminated very easily when used outside a hospital setting.



so a doctor should know better than to keep that shit at home right? he should know better than to give it to a patient outside of a hospital setting right? It still all goes back to the doctor and his negligence. Negligent Homicide should be the charge.
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Reply #2303 posted 07/28/09 11:44am

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DesireeNevermind said:

StillDirrty said:

We won't know for sure until the reports come back. & the FDA did recall some Propofol very recently because it was contaminated. That might have had a part in it we just don't know. My sister who is also a nurse said that propofol can get contaminated very easily when used outside a hospital setting.



so a doctor should know better than to keep that shit at home right? he should know better than to give it to a patient outside of a hospital setting right? It still all goes back to the doctor and his negligence. Negligent Homicide should be the charge.


Murray is just stupid. I'm just gonna say that. Stupid, dumb, incredulous, whatever, etc. But he ain't Bezzlebub (I know you didn't mean it like that, lol), just saying. lol
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Reply #2304 posted 07/28/09 11:46am

Timmy84

Michael Jackson fans call for Nobel peace prize nomination

Fans have launched an online petition to nominate the King of Pop for a posthumous award. There's just one small problem – he's ineligible


More than 15,000 people have signed petitions proposing Michael Jackson for the Nobel peace prize. Fans have taken to the web, hoping to encourage people to nominate the King of Pop for a posthumous award.

The first of the petitions was started by Norwegian fan Ola Hunnestad. Launched in April 2007, the petition has gained considerable momentum since Jackson's death on 25 June. Thousands more have backed the initiative of Los Angeles student Anneliese Nichole Brown, who two weeks ago drafted a letter to the Nobel prize committee.

"Michael's message for humankind has always been rooted in compassion and kindness," Brown wrote. "He has succeeded in a lifelong dedication to the well-being of humanity. Moving beyond all political, social and economic borders, Michael Jackson consistently spread a positive message of global unity, healing and love."

Unfortunately, Nobel prize nominees are not selected by a Swedish committee, nor by popular vote. Instead, they are chosen by a large group of international officials, professors and former winners. It is these Nobel officials that Brown and Hunnestad hope to win over.

In 2006, Hunnestad tried a different approach, writing letters to "highly ranked people such as Nelson Mandela, Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan" and, er, "the United Nations". "We mentioned Michael's charity work and humanitarian efforts, and asked them if they were interested in nominating Michael for a lifetime achievement as a great humanitarian. Unfortunately, we didn't succeed in getting Michael nominated, but Kofi Annan and the United Nations were kind enough to send a nice reply back."

Previous musical Nobel nominees include Bono (for peace) and Bob Dylan (for literature). Neither have won.

However, there is one more obstacle facing a Jackson nomination: he's – how to put this? – ineligible. Though prizes can be awarded to those who die after they are nominated, only living persons are able to make the Nobel shortlist.

Quick – someone start a petition to change the rule!
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Reply #2305 posted 07/28/09 11:51am

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^ if he didn't get while alive then no use giving it to him after he's dead.


i hate that posthumous BS. it's so fake. like when they wait till an actor dies to give them an Oscar. Celebrity welfare.
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Reply #2306 posted 07/28/09 11:52am

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Some Docs Abuse Drug Reportedly Given To Jackson

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) ― Reports indicate Michael Jackson used the anesthetic Propofol for insomnia.

Anesthesiologist Dr. Dan Burkhardt at UCSF Medical Center said while Propofol is a superior anesthetic, it's a very potent and dangerous drug.

"To use this drug in people who don't sleep well is suicidal." Dr. Burkhardt remarked, adding, "The difference in between the amount of drug you've got to give to have any effect at all and the amount that it takes to have you stop breathing and die is very small."

Propofol knocks you out. But it should only be used in a hospital setting, under the supervision of trained anesthesiologists.

But the anesthetic is not on the list of controlled substances, primarily because no one believed any one would abuse it.

"It's not the kind of drug that is going to give you a buzz, a high or make a party seem more interesting," Dr. Burkhardt explained.

But as it turns out, some physicians, notably anesthesiologists are abusing Propofol. In fact, one in three anesthesiologists who abused the drug accidentally overdosed and died.

The drug works by basically making your brain no longer want to breathe.

But, why would a trained anesthesiologist want to abuse such a dangerous substance?

One survey shows the doctors were reporting significant stress in their personal lives. Secondly, Propofol is relatively easy to obtain for anesthesiologists in the hospital.

Dr. Burkhardt said "I don't get someone to witness how much I threw away. I don't have to turn it back in for someone to analyze that's how much I used."

In the hospital, Propofol is locked up just like any other drug. But in most centers, there's no pharmacy accounting or control of Propofol stocks. That might change with the high profile death of Michael Jackson.

Dr. Burkhardt hopes that does not happen. He believes more regulations will only make it harder and more costly to treat patients.

(© MMIX, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
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Reply #2307 posted 07/28/09 11:53am

Timmy84

DesireeNevermind said:

^ if he didn't get while alive then no use giving it to him after he's dead.


i hate that posthumous BS. it's so fake. like when they wait till an actor dies to give them an Oscar. Celebrity welfare.


Just wait you're gonna see him get a Lifetime Achievement Award at the Grammys, which they would've NEVER gave to him when he was breathing. rolleyes
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Reply #2308 posted 07/28/09 11:55am

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Timmy84 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

^ if he didn't get while alive then no use giving it to him after he's dead.


i hate that posthumous BS. it's so fake. like when they wait till an actor dies to give them an Oscar. Celebrity welfare.


Just wait you're gonna see him get a Lifetime Achievement Award at the Grammys, which they would've NEVER gave to him when he was breathing. rolleyes



yep. complete bullshit. maybe La Toya or Joe will accept the award on his behalf and tell the grammy board about themselves. pray
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Reply #2309 posted 07/28/09 11:57am

Timmy84

^^ I rather Katherine accept it.

Jul 28 2009 2:04 PM EDT
Michael Jackson's 'Moonwalk' Memoir To Be Re-Released
Ghostwritten autobiography, originally published in 1988, set for October reissue.


By Eric Ditzian

Plans are already in the works to repurpose almost every shred of Michael Jackson's creative output — music, footage, costumes and more — for various tributes on the big screen, small screen, museum hall and concert stage. Next up is the written word.

Jackson's 1988 ghostwritten memoir, "Moonwalk," is being reissued for publication in October, The Associated Press reports. The reissue will contain a new introduction by a yet-unnamed friend of Jackson and will have a first printing of 100,000 copies.

In interviews with the AP, Jackson's literary agent, Joy Harris, and the original editor of the book, Shaye Areheart, who is also publishing the reissue, revealed the process behind making "Moonwalk," as well as the harried days after the pop star's death when plans to re-release the book began.

Beginning in the mid '80s, Areheart met with Jackson many times at his Encino, California, home to conduct interviews for the memoir. "He was just a lively, in-touch guy," she said. "And he did have his act together."

They would often sit together by a large fireplace as Areheart asked questions and Jackson spoke answers into a tape recorder. He was "smart and funny and gracious," she said.

Yet the project ended up taking much longer to complete than expected, as Jackson was often occupied with the demands of tours and recording sessions. "His time was constantly not his own," Areheart said.

The book ended up coming out in the spring of 1988 and became a #1 New York Times best seller. In the memoir, Jackson admitted to being beaten by his father and to having two nose jobs. He dedicated the book to Fred Astaire.

According to Harris, publishers began asking about reprinting the memoir the morning after Jackson's death. She got in touch with his attorneys, who began negotiations and struck a deal with Areheart and her Random House imprint, Harmony.

"It did seem abrupt to me," Harris told the AP. "But when I thought about it, it didn't surprise me, in the way that everything is so immediate these days."
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