Timmy84 said:

Maybe Ms. Ross DID let him touch her in the morning

Don't make post Evan!

Michael's friends are all mourning. Jeffery Daniels, Geron Candidate Cooley Jackson (who looks a hot boilin' ass mess these days), paid their respects to Michael on myspace

What saddens me the most is that such a beautiful person who gave so much never found real love and was so very lonely. It should not have been that way.

bboy87 said:

Oh Lord here we go with the La Michael bullshit! That dude look like Diane and Arne spit him out.

I heard that Madonna has signed on to appear at the Michael Jackson Tribute Concert which takes place in September.A bunch of artists will each sing a different MJ song.Madonna's manager has revealed that she was actually planning to do a surprise performance at one of MJ's 02 concerts.Could you imagine the two of them finally duetting onstage together?

Timmy84 said:

No problem, man. It's the biggest loss in the music industry in a long, long time.

A lot of people are posting in different forums about how badly Michael is being treated in the press. Being old enough to have been a fan of Michael and of Elvis, I just want to send out a heart felt warning to the really die hard MJ fans. It is going to get so much worse. It doesn't seem like it now but the tabloids had been treating Elvis terribly for about 5 years when he died, some of it based on truth and some of it complete bullocks. It only got worse after he died. The people who came out of the wood work to exploit his memory was staggering, and each tried to out shock the people who came before them.

The grief I feel over the loss of Michael Jackson has shocked me to my core, but I know it is nothing compared to many of the people who are posting in this thread, and as an Elvis fan, my heart goes out to you and the rough road you face. But keep the heart light glowing. Talent and achievement will overshadow everything else just as Elvis' legacy has proven and just as Michael's will as well.

Love and Peace.

kalelvisj said:

I'm gonna start avoiding the tabloid bs. I hope his family gets things in control so these bastards don't start pulling crazy mess out of their imagination

kalelvisj said:

See I'm glad you posted because people my age or younger who like Michael always think Elvis had it easy after he died. The man was going through similar b.s. by the time of his death. Much like MJ, Elvis was a meal ticket who died because people kept milking at him. I feared MJ would end up like Elvis for some reason so it hit home for me. Thanks for the post.

bboy87 said:

I try to, but it is hard. My mom was talking about how sad Michael's passing is especially with the media the way it is now. She said that when Elvis died, it was easy, you just ignored the magazine racks next to the cash registers but now it is every where. Even the "legitimate" news is more tabloid these days, not to mention the internet.

But like so many people have said, Michael is a legend and in time all that will be left is his music and his achievements.

kalelvisj said:

Back when Elvis died, you didn't have the internet, so it was probably easier to avoid tabloid stories. With Michael it's harder because it's there when you google his name.

bboy87 said:

I don't believe that. Michael believed that sex should be abstained until after marriage (and that sexual intercourse should only be done with your spouse while U're married and not while being single). Based on that, he lost his virginity with Lisa Marie.

WaterInYourBath said:

That's what I always believed what Michael was doing at the time, promiscuous sex was sinning according to MJ.
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bboy87 said:

E'Casanova is basically despondent. He posted a very sad blog message on his MySpace page yesterday. I hope he doesn't hurt himself over this. I certainly know what he's feeling, but since he's been living his life as Michael's "mirror image," this is no doubt causing a very serious mental struggle for him.

JayJai said:

I read he's Trinidadian.
http://www.caribdaily.com...inidadian/

WaterInYourBath said:

Knowing many of the impersonators, he'll probably do something foolish like attempt suicide.

Timmy84 said:

Yes, that's one of the things I've loved and admired about his lifestyle offstage. A very honorable characteristic.

Timmy84 said:

I remember when Elvis started dating Priscilla (Lisa Marie's mother) and she was like what? 14? He got raked over the coals for that. There was a lot of crap written about him back then.

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Yeah Michael probably would not have become the "king of pop" (what a ridiculous "title" BTW), but he would have had the chance for a happy, normal life. It's very sad and the fact that he was a successful singer and entertainer does not change the fact what a lonely tragic life he had. And don't let me even get started to comment on all the people here who say that whipping a child is okay .

ehuffnsd said:

Therapy is not always helping. Many people go to therapy for years and nothing comes out if it. But I agree that he should have tried.

Timmy84 said:

noimageatall said:

I can't say that I remember that far back, but I get your point which is valid. While many of Elvis' real exploits went ignored through the early 60's, in the fifties there were articles questioning his sexuality based on the constant presence of his "memphis mafia", that he shot his mother, that he was a devil worshiper, and that he was a communist agent sent to destroy the youth of america's morals with his race mixing and sexual gyrations...All of which were heart breaking to a musical performer who just wanted to please his fans.

Just as the tabloid nature of our media must have torn at Michael, it must have torn at Elvis, and I feel it hastened both of their deaths.

Peace and love

kalelvisj said:

I only remember these things because my mom was a fan way back and my sis was one until the late '90's. I never was. Now that you mention it I do remember a lot of the Enquirer crap written about Elvis. As for all of it hastening their deaths, I agree. Michael's lawyer was on CNN today and he stated that Micheal was not equipped to handle that trial and all the false accusations against him. The lawyer said it basically broke him.

bboy87 said:

I don't find that hard to believe, especially after watching these few clips.





.. If I was Diana, I wouldn't of been able to resist! OTW era Mike

Dance on, Michael...dance on...

Timmy84 said:

In his case, that is a definite unfortunate possibility. He probably feels his mirror has been broken. I hope someone can help him.

Like I said, this is really awful. Still very unbelievable. And everyday since Thursday it's getting worse, especially if U watch TV. The member above [kalelvisj] who remembers when and after Elvis died is so right about this getting harder as time passes. Emotionally, I fear this will not get any easier for a long time, at least not for us "deep" fans. At first I just felt extreme shock and sorrow, but now anger is mixing in. Just horrible. *shakes head*

Moonbeam said:

I never look at it like that, it's basically in the entertainment fold itself for me.

Mya said:

I still seriously doubt it knowing Diane was going out with Gene Simmons at the time and even afterwards nor Diane or Michael were dating even though Michael wished he had. Diane never looked at Michael other than the 9-year-old boy who thrilled her (and others) at the Motown audition.

you know that kid from 1993 sex charges admit that his father made him lie to get jacksons many?
he admitted few days ago
Jackson didn't touch him at all

Some amazing comments & memories from recording engineer Rob Hoffman, made yesterday on a recording forum. Hopefully this ends once & forall, the ridiculous debates there have been whether MJ was an amazing "musician"!

_____
Some random memories:
One morning MJ came in with a new song he had written overnight. We called in a guitar player, and Michael sang every note of every chord to him. "here's the first chord first note, second note, third note. Here's the second chord first note, second note, third note", etc., etc. We then witnessed him giving the most heartfelt and profound vocal performance, live in the control room through an SM57.

He would sing us an entire string arrangement, every part. Steve Porcaro once told me he witnessed MJ doing that with the string section in the room. Had it all in his head, harmony and everything. Not just little eight bar loop ideas. he would actually sing the entire arrangement into a micro-cassette recorder complete with stops and fills.

At one point Michael was angry at one of the producers on the project because he was treating everyone terribly. Rather than create a scene or fire the guy, Michael called him to his office/lounge and one of the security guys threw a pie in his face. No further action was needed . . . . .

During the recording of "Smile" on HIStory, Bruce thought it would be great if Michael would sing live with the orchestra. But of course, we didn't tell the players that. We set him up in a vocal booth off to the side. They rehearsed a bit without vocals in, then during the first take Michael sang, just about knocked them out of their chairs.

His beatboxing was without parallel, and his time was ridiculous.

His sense of harmony was incredible. Never a bad note, no tuning, even his breathing was perfectly in time.

Once, while we were taking a break, I think we were actually watching the OJ chase on TV, there was a news program talking about him being in Europe with some little boy. I was sitting next to the guy while the news is making this crap up. He just looked at me and said this is what I have to deal with.

I spent close to 3 years working with him, and not once did I question his morals, or ever believe any of the allegations. I wasn't even a fan then. I saw him interact with his brothers kids, other people's children, and at one point my own girlfriend's kids. I got to spend a day at Neverland with them. A completely incredible human being, always looking for a way to make all children's lives better. Every weekend at Neverland was donated to a different children's group - children with AIDS, children cancer, etc., and most of the time he wasn't there.

He was simply living the childhood he never had. In many ways he never grew up.

I was assisting Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis while they recorded the background vocals for "Scream" with MJ and Janet. The two of them singing together was amazing. Super tight, no bad notes. One part after another. When they took a break they sang the showtunes they used to sing as kids. Again, perfect harmony. Mj refused to sing the "stop f*ckin' with me part" because he would NOT curse.

I was the tape op for the recording of the background vocals on "Stranger in Moscow". Scared the hell out me. Michael was dropping in and out on syllables, rearranging the notes and timing as he put it down. No Pro Tools at the time, just 2" tape, and my punches.

I erased a live keyboard overdub that he played one night. He came in the next morning, replaced it, and never uttered another word about it.

I was there when Lisa Marie was around. They acted like two kids in love. Held hands all the time, and she hung out at the studio for quite a while. I never questioned their love for each other.

We recorded a Christmas song during the summer of '94 that needed a children's choir. Michael insisted that the entire studio be decorated with xmas lights, tree, fake snow and a sled for their recording. And he bought presents for everyone.

The last weekend of recording on HIStory he came to me and Eddie Delena, and said "I'm sorry, but I don't think any of us are going to sleep this weekend. There's a lot to get done, and we have to go to Bernie on Monday morning". He stayed at the studio the entire time, singing, and mixing. I got to spend a couple quiet moments with him during that time. We talked about John Lennon one night as he was gearing up to sing the last vocal of the record - the huge ad libs at the end of "earth song". I told him the story of John singing "twist and shout" while being sick, and though most people think he was screaming for effect, it was actually his voice giving out. He loved it, and then went in to sing his heart out. . . .

Later that night, while mixing, everyone left the room so MJ could turn it up. This was a common occurrence during the mixes, and I was left in the room with ear plugs, and hands over my ears, in case he needed something. This particular night, all the lights were out and we noticed some blue flashes intermittently lighting up the room during playback. After a few moments we could see that one of the speakers (custom quad augspuergers) was shooting blue flames. Mj liked this and proceeded to push all the faders up . . . .

MJ liked hot water while he was singing. I mean really hot !!!!! It got to the point that I would melt plastic spoons to test it.

Bruce and I were talking about walking to the studio everyday in NYC, and what routes we took. Michael looked at us and said we were so lucky to be able to do that. He couldn't walk down the street without being harassed. It was a sad moment for all of us.

The studio crew got free tickets to the Janet show so we all went right from work one night. About halfway through the show we see this dude with a long beard, dressed in robes dancing in the aisle behind. I mean really dancing . . . it was Mj in disguise. Kind of like the costume Chevy Chase wears in Fletch while roller skating.

He got one of the first playstations from sony in his lounge . . . we snuck in late at night to play the games that hadn't been released yet.

A couple people on the session hadn't seen Jurassic Park while it was out, so MJ arranged a private screening for us at Sony.

He was a huge fan of Nine Inch Nails Downward Spiral . . . .

I was lucky enough over the course of 3 years to have access to the multitrack masters for tour prep, videos, and archive purposes. To be able to pull these tracks apart was a huge lesson in production, and songwriting. A chance to look into the minds of geniuses.

Of all the records I've worked on, MJJ was the only company to give platinum award records.

One day we just all sat in the studio listening to his catalog with him for inspiration. He loved the process, he loved the work."

http://www.gearslutz.com/...ut-mj.html

ViintageJunkiie said:

people concentrate on MJ'>s nose because it was the most obvious changed one and because nobody cares for his brother's noses. I don't give a fuckin' damn weather or not Tito had a knows job.