On Geraldo tonight, they reported that apparently Rowe told the News Of the World that MJ isn't the kids father. Guess she's setting up for a payday.

Damn, what the fuck did MJ do to inspire this much bottomfeeding? Even the motherfucking Nation Of Islam.

bboy87 said:

Grey Goose is not for mixing! Not trying to encourage you to drink but ghat dayum Vodka is wonderful, Absolut & Skyy aren't completely gutter but decent enough to mix. Try plain old vodka & cranberry next time... & I didn't even know they still MAKE Shasta, good Lord keep that shit away from yo lips!




I don't drink Crown Royal, but any liquor w/ Dr. Pepper seems vile.



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bboy87 said:

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A beautiful, beautiful man.

They've picked some excellent photos for these covers. Gosh, this is tough.

Joe Jackson, the father of Michael Jackson, is speaking out about how the Jackson family is handling the death of the pop icon.

"We're holding a family meeting now," Joe Jackson told People.com. "We don't like what's going on."

Members of the Jackson family, including Michael Jackson's mother Katherine, have gathered to mourn at the family's Encino, Calif. home, says People.

A source close to the Jackson family tells People.com that on Friday the adult family members tried to contain their emotions in front of Jackson's three children -- Prince, 12, Paris, 11, and "Blanket," 7 -- but that by Saturday, their emotions could not be contained.

"The kids have fallen apart today," the source tells People. "They have taken it so, so hard. Yesterday everybody was being really strong for the kids, but today it just hit everybody. There are so many tears."

The unnamed source goes on to tell People: "There is so much sadness in the house today, it's unreal. They are so confused. They are so in the dark…The family has no access to the will. [Michael's lawyers] won't let the family see the will ... The family has no idea what to do. They don't even know when to bury him. They don't know what to do about anything. They aren't getting any answers from Michael's lawyers."

Citing a Jackson family source, People says that Michael's mother Katherine visited the late superstar's home to pick up clothing for his burial, but was rebuffed by members of the star's camp.

People, citing a family source, reports that the Jacksons are equally concerned that Debbie Rowe, Jackson's ex-wife and mother of his two eldest children, will try to raise Jackson's kids.

"They haven't heard from Debbie Rowe and don't know what's going on in that respect, either. Joe and Katherine really want the children," the source tells People. "They for sure want the children."

People, citing another family source, says that Joe Jackson will request an independent autopsy. The source said: "They're in shock and they want answers…The issue is the people around him: vampires and blood suckers."

www.etonline.com

CalhounSq said:

See, ya'll just NOW telling me. I don't if it was grey goose...but I'm sure it was, but if that's how it tastes deluded, I can't imagine how that mess tastes pure


If I EVER attempt to drink again, I'll go with that Bartles and Jaymes wine cooler shit that my mom and her friends used to drink on while listening to Will Downing and Howard Hewitt...at least that shit SOUNDS like soda!

The Artistic Merit of Thriller

while we all might be sick of hearing it and while it may not be as heavy as a What’s Going On or Innervisions…the fact is many records we regard as “art” dont have the sociological or spiritual depth of those records…

it would be easy to say that the work of Leroy Burgess or even James Brown is fluff based on the subject matter and dismiss it as not being artistic..which is in fact what mainstream music press does to Black music as a whole…and I have a problem with that…

it would be easy to say that I Want You is just a record abt being horny just the same as a Jodeci record is….

now as far as Thriller is concerned, it is an artistic as well as a commercial landmark for these reasons:

A) you said in another post that you do not regard MJ as a songwriter or producer…which is unfair because he CLEARLY does both…as far as his first 2 albums w/Q…..people tend to overestimate Q’s role…they tend to think that without a producer at the helm, Mike is helpless…it was Mike(w/the help of Randy Jackson) who created the the Jackson sound….it wasnt Jackie, Tito, or Marlon….and you see how well Jermaine faired on his own….

the the biggest issue that led J5 to leave Motown was lack of creative control….Mike was tired of being a singing puppet…he wanted his freedom in the studio…

CBS was unsure and made the group do two albums w/Philly Intl…after that it was time to put up or shut up…

so Mike and the boys got in the studio….CBS sent some studio pros in to make sure the shit didnt go wrong….the result was the Destiny album…the album that put them back on top….

with the exception of Blame It On The Boogie, ya boy wrote every song on that record…

he wanted to distance himself from his family and create a new sound for himself….since he’d already lent his sound to the family brand he brought in Q….

NOBODY else wanted Q…the word was that he was too old, that his track record in pop was unproven…look at the facts….before OTW and Thriller, Q was known as a bandleader and film composer, NOT a pop hitmaker….he’d had success w/the Brojays but that’s it…the last pop hit that he was responsible for before that was It’s My Party by Leslie Gore….

if you hit you tube and listen to the demos that Mike brought Q, you will see that very little is different from the album versions…

matter of fact, here ya go:
Dont Stop demo:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...CWJfzH6FDY

Working Day and Night demo:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...51jUmABMlc

let’s go to the Thriller demos….

The Girl Is Mine demo 1:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...tXxORezhpg

Girl Is Mine studio demo 2:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...WUgNAAfcfU

Billie Jean demo:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...E_1eYWx4fM

so…my point…is that Mike created these albums from his own vision….he hired Quincy for a)legitimacy and 2)to run the studio 3) for his connections 4)quality control

so what you hear is his vision not Quincy’s…so from an artistic standpoint, he didnt just sit around and sing what Quincy put in front of him….he knew what he wanted and hired Q to translate….

after OTW, Mike went and cranked out another Jacksons album, Triumph…where he wrote every song except two…

so w.out Master Quincy, Mike was responsible for:
Shake Your Body
Heartbreak Hotel
Lovely One
Can You Feel It
Walk Right Now
Things I Do For You
…and the remaining songs on both Jacksons albums of that period…

but the music snobs like to think that Maestro Quincy sat Green Mike down and told him what to do….we can also add the folks that think Rod Temperton wrote every song on those two albums…and that’s the reason why those records came out the way they did…

Mike created those albums from his own creative muse, so artistically for him, that’s a W….

B) as far as Thriller specifically…Mike did something that no one else had done….he created the musical bridge for mainstream music from the 70’s to the 80’s…he was the cat who survived the 70’s and led the way to he 80’s, where most other 70’s cats were tryna figure out what to do next…most of them were doing disco knock-offs and praying for their survival…

people glaze over it now…but what soul/R&B figure could create a hit rock record that was embraced across the board…AND considered authentic by the rock audience?(the snobs may have been pissed off, but they werent the ones buying the records)…what soul/R&B cat was collaborating with Van Halen….and have it WORK?

it wasnt Prince….w/out Beat It, could you have a Let’s Go Crazy?

what other soul/R&B cat could get one of the Beatles on Black radio in the 80’s?

what soul/R&B cat would get Vincent Price to drop spoken word in the middle a funk/R&B cut cum horror movie?

who was else at the time was incorporating African chants and percussion at a time when everyone was whitening it up sonically(including MJ)…and who would reference Soul Makossa in the 80’s?

listen to the fact that a Black artist who was considered strictly soul/R&B decided to do a stylistic tour de force in one album when it hadnt been done before…

Thriller had:
Funk
straight R&B
Quiet Storm
MOR Pop
Rock

…all in one album by a Black aritst when such a thing was not only unheard of but frowned upon…..

futhermore, on Thriller he spoke abt teen preganancy, gang violence, challenging the social constructs of manhood, the culture of gossip, emotional blackmail, obsession, false accusations of paternity, and belief in one’s self…

fluff?

these are ARTISTIC RISKS….they could have gone horribly awry, but they didnt….he did the record HIS way….and in a rare occurence that we will only see once in a lifetime, hit the bulls-eye and pleased EVERYBODY…the effects of that had both deep positive and negative effects on his work and the entire music industry after that….

let’s remember…when Thriller was being conceived and recorded, MJ was still thought of as strictly an R&B act (Rolling Stone refused to do a cover story on him at the time), a boy band singer made good and the success or failure of the record was of little consequence to anyone BUT MJ…so pulling those strings wasnt as easy as we’d think it to be….

but WHY did he want to make a record like Thriller?….was it just to win the awards and make copious amounts of dough?

partially, yeah…but beyond that…why would MJ risk his entire career (which he’d done a few times before at that point) on a record that everybody, even QUINCY, thought would only be a mild follow up to OTW?

because he wanted out of the box…he wanted the limitations placed on Black musical artistry lifted…to end the segregation, so to speak…to send a message that you can follow your muse no matter what people say or think…you can do the kind of music you want to do and nobody should get in your way or try to stop you….

and he DID that…he achieved that goal of ARTISTIC freedom that reaps commercial success where it is unusual that the two paths EVER cross…

and whether you believe it or not is beside the point….MJ kicked down a huge barrier with Thriller…and many artists, regardless of culture or genre have reaped the benefits…

so at a superficial glance, it could appear that Thriller is nothing but the hottest chick in school for a couple years…but what happens when you talk to that chick and find out that there’s more there than just eye candy…

so like I said….people can feel how they wanna feel abt the artist and the record, we’re all entitled to our opinions…but give credit where credit is due is all Im saying….

It's truly sad to see the toll of his passing


Today, at the age of 21, I took a drank for the first time. Vodka is fucking disgusting!

I said it before, only losing someone I cared about would be the ONLY reason I would drink some alcohol....


Well, Mike...I was right, huh!



RIP my friend....

Rare footage

Michael in Houston 1988

http://www.khou.com/video...vid=375150

bboy87 said:

Is that really Mike in that studio singin?....

dag said:

I'm not sure, but it kinda looks like him!

bboy87 said:

Yeah, it does look like him, but it weirdly does not seem to be him to me...

What is up with people hearing "Morphine" for the first time? Y'all need to pick up Blood on the Dance Floor (whenever they eventually restock it, of course). There's some great stuff on there: the title track, "Ghosts," "Is It Scary," etc.

MJ was ALL OVER Australian TV today. Channel V, kinda like Aussie MTV, was playing his videos. They haven't played decent music like that for years.

The worst part is I get so into it then I forget WHY they're playing his stuff.



I REALLY want to be a part of some kind of memorial, any details yet of an Australian one?

AlexdeParis said:

Love those songs.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I can already see this escalating into a bigger story.

purplesweat said:

I'll let you know...

purplesweat said:

I'll let you know...

bboy87 said:

I believe the family wants to do a "global" celebration to honor MJ's contributions to the music industry and how his music touched so many people.

Teddy Riley Crying.....

Shango said:

exactly, it's BOUND to leak, considering it was his last creative work. I mean, basically all the costumes, the vocals and the tracklist - ALL must be ready!?
I can't imagine no dancer or musical producer will ever speak about it.

Teddy Riley Crying.....

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I can already see this escalating into a bigger story.

What is up with people hearing "Morphine" for the first time? Y'all need to pick up Blood on the Dance Floor (whenever they eventually restock it, of course). There's some great stuff on there: the title track, "Ghosts," "Is It Scary," etc.

AlexdeParis said: