brooksie said:

It wasn;t a sex thing. Jimi had major problems with women. The violence was sick. He once kicked kathy in the face and broke her nose in three places.

blackguitaristz said:

I DID "get" what you were saying. I simply disagreed w/ your assement. Big diff. Why did you not "expect" me to get it, I wonder? You got some sort of secret sauce or something?

No, I don't think it's impossible to have AN IDEA of many Black non musicians dug Jimi. There was such a thing as tracking sales and airplay even back in the dim and distant 60s-70s. He had little to no play on Black radio in those days....known fact. Most people back then got their music knowledge from radio, which was quite segregated, and Jimi was a mainstay of FM. Obviously there were some Black folks that listened to FM (mostly on the downlow), but I hardly think he got most of his Black following during his lifetime or from radio play. As I said, most Black folks I've come across say they got into him via BoG not JHE. Which group gets the most airplay...then or now?

I don't knock Jimi for his hustle, on the contrary. He had a chance to truly crossover and gain an audience that he otherwise wouldn't. He took it. He had Black fans from his backup days and kept some, he also gained some from his JHE years, but let's not pretend that this choice was more popular than it was. The price he paid for mainstream acceptance was an aliention. Revisionism doesn't change the fact that he doesn't get the props or love from the community that he should.

Yes, musicians ARE people 1st..thanks for clearing that one up for me. Musicians usually are more open minded about music than the masses, n'est-ce pas? LOL...did you think I was trying to say they were a different species of humanity? Come on, come better than that.

One thing is certain is that we're both big fans of Jimi's...so it's all gravy.
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goodlookingmofo said:

You're right. Last night I'd pulled out the "Room Full Of Mirrors" book and refreshed my memory. I'd forgotten just how much things like this would happen.

brooksie said:

good book

noel redding also says in his book jimi once hit a women just because she liked noel; not jimi

chris brown's assualt on rihanna is nothing compared to jimi, ike, brown, axl rose, marvin, etc. Sad but true. It seems ALL the greats have major issues with violence.

That's because all of them were young victims of watching their fathers go upside some heads. Ike said his violence was brought on from watching his elders (because it was the so called "thing to to do" back then) and Al Hendrix was a stone cold playa. Jimi said his dad got on his behind if he got out of line.

Not saying it's right, but I'm sure these traits were passed down.

goodlookingmofo said:

A bunch of pu***** if u ask me.

brooksie said:

Actually yeah I DO have a secret sauce. And truthfully speaking, I came at this very well. I just flat out disagree that Jimi didn't have any black fans. I've stated from the get that no, I don't believe that the man had a black fan base like the stable of artists on Motown. I stated that. But I don't underestimate the number of black Hendrix fans that he had while he was living either. Be it with the Gypsys or with the Experience. Both was Jimi so if bruthas dug him more simply because he had 2 bruthas in the band as oppose to two white guys, whatever. To me, that's a non issue. Again, it was ALL Hendrix. This type of rhetoric is all subjective anyways, which is cool. My thing has never been about trying to change somebody's brain. Folks believe what they want to believe. You caught my attention based off of your comment about Hendrix not caring that he didn't have a black following. Personally, like I stated earlier, I think the man cared about that very much. Because to Jimi, what he was doing all along was BLACK. He was just BOLD enough to take it to new heights. But I think it pained him to a degree when he felt blacks couldn't get with what he was doing. Much of Jimi was all about freedom of expression. The FREEDOM to even feel freedom of expression was crucial to Jimi and I believe he wanted very much for other blacks to feel the same way. I believe Jimi saw a bigger picture so I think it was a let down to him when he felt other blacks couldn't get with what he was doing. I believe that Jimi knew that he symbolised freedom. Not just for himself but for all. Again, like I stated before, Jimi would have never considered to pimp his sound out by watering it down for the black markets. Never. I just believe that Hendrix had more blacks that were into him that is given credit for and that it did matter to the man that blacks dug him musically. That they accepted him. I believe very much that it mattered to him.

I read Jimi was contemplating joining prog masters Emerson Lake and Palmer. As a fan of the group, that woulda been killer!

Imagine, one of the best drummers, with one of the best keyboard players, along with one of the best guitar players. All in one band. ELP with a guitarist like Jimi coulda really been awesome musically.

The fact Jimi was supposedly thinking about it showed how versitile he was and coulda been even more so.

thesexofit said:

Jimi and ELP? That would have been interesting, very space age. Since you're a fan, can you give me a good place to start w/ ELP? One of my uncles was crazy about them back in the day, but I want to give them a listen myself. I've heard so much negative about "prog rock" that I'm convinved it had some real good!

blackguitaristz if you got some secret sauce, send some my way, I need it!

Anyway, you might be right now that I give it more thought. Not everything was or is about radio play. I distinctly recall my aunt telling me of Jimi's following, both pre and post JHE, in our area. I think it stems from his stints w/ the Iselys who are local fellas. I'm gonna ask her for more details cuz she knew the local scene here quite well.

brooksie said:

brooksie said:

Start with "brain salad surgery". Its my fav anyway. "Karn evil 9" is a beast of a track if you like long ass prog james that is LOL. Personally I prefer Emerson's playing over someone like Yes' Rick Wakeman. Not sure why, just do LOL.



I dont always agree with allmusic, but funny they even mention Jimi (very briefly) in the review.

Allmusic review:

Review by Bruce Eder
Emerson, Lake & Palmer's most successful and well-realized album (after their first), and their most ambitious as a group, as well as their loudest, Brain Salad Surgery is also their most electronic sounding one. The main focus, thanks to the three-part "Karn Evil 9," is sci-fi rock, approached with a volume and vengeance that stretched the art rock audience's tolerance to its outer limit, but also managed to appeal to the metal audience in ways that little of Trilogy did. Indeed, "Karn Evil 9" is the piece and the place where Keith Emerson and his keyboards finally matched in both music and flamboyance the larger-than-life guitar sound of Jimi Hendrix. Pete Sinfield's lyrics, while not up to his best King Crimson-era standard, were better than anything the group had to work with previously, and Greg Lake pulled out all the stops on his heaviest singing voice in handling them, coming off a bit like Peter Gabriel in the process. The songs (except for the throwaway "Benny the Bouncer") are also among their best work — the group's arrangement of Sir Charles Hubert Parry's setting of William Blake's "Jerusalem" manages to be reverent yet rocking, while Emerson's adaptation of Alberto Ginastera's music in "Tocatta" outstrips even "The Barbarian" and "Knife Edge" from the first album as a distinctive and rewarding reinterpretation of a piece of serious music. Lake's "Still...You Turn Me On" is his last great ballad with the group, possessing a melody and arrangement sufficiently pretty to forgive the presence of the rhyming triplet "everyday a little sadder/a little madder/someone get me a ladder."

" works vol 1" is my second fav. An unusual choice from a critics perspective, but I love the fact they moved away from the harsh electronic sound, into a more organic, orchestral one. Its sprawling and pretensious as hell, but then, they often were LOL. Even tunes like "new orleans" are almost funk, or they are at least to me. I can see some jazz/rock fusion lovers liking parks of "works vol 1". Definately top class musicianship on that album.