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Jimi Hendrix death

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Reply #1 posted 06/02/09 12:47am

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Yeah, it was NO secret that Jimi wanted to get away from Mike Jeffery starting in 1969. He was seeking legal help to end his contract with him. It was rumored that Jimi was kidnapped and that Jeffery had set it up. No physical harm came to Jimi but it was done to scare Jimi so he wouldn't leave Jeffery. Jeffery was known as a shady person and had known ties to the Mob. Anyone interested in Jimi's death should DEFINATELY read the book "Hendrix The Final Days" by author Tony Brown. It is well researched and brings a new perspective on what could have possibly happened to Jimi. Personally, I never truly believed the story of Jimi commiting suicide or him having an overdose of his own doing. And after reading this book, I went away believing that Jimi was tragically murdered. And that if anyone had their hand in it, it was Mike Jeffery. All of that is written about in this book I mentioned.
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Reply #2 posted 06/02/09 5:08am

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confused Yeah, that's the thing. While we don't know if the allegations are true, the fact is that Mike Jeffrey was such a shady, shadowy, duplicitous character that just about anything seems possible....

BTW, didn't Michal Jeffrey's plane explode in some kind of mid-air collision?









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Reply #3 posted 06/02/09 5:23am

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Can we let the man rest.
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Reply #4 posted 06/02/09 6:41am

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^^Supposedly Mike was killed in a plane crash,but it's also widely believed that he was never on that plane and he faked his own death and has been laying low ever since...
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Reply #5 posted 06/02/09 10:05am

Timmy84

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Reply #6 posted 06/02/09 11:12am

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Mindbells9 said:

^^Supposedly Mike was killed in a plane crash,but it's also widely believed that he was never on that plane and he faked his own death and has been laying low ever since...

im talking about Jimi
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Reply #7 posted 06/02/09 11:15am

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IAintTheOne said:

Mindbells9 said:

^^Supposedly Mike was killed in a plane crash,but it's also widely believed that he was never on that plane and he faked his own death and has been laying low ever since...

im talking about Jimi


Yeah, I think Mindbells9 was answering my post about Jeffrey, but it ended up coming after yours....





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Reply #8 posted 06/02/09 1:54pm

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Yeah, it was NO secret that Jimi wanted to get away from Mike Jeffery starting in 1969. He was seeking legal help to end his contract with him. It was rumored that Jimi was kidnapped and that Jeffery had set it up. No harm physical harm came to Jimi but it was done to scare Jimi so he wouldn't Jeffery. Jeffery was known as a shady person and had known ties to the Mob. Anyone interested in Jimi's death should DEFINATELY read the book "Hendrix The Final Days" by author Tony Brown. It is well researched and brings a new perspective on what could have possibly happened to Jimi. personally, I never truly believed the story of Jimi commiting suicide or him having an overdose of his own doing. And after reading this book, I went away believing that Jimi was tragically murdered. And that if anyone had their hand in it, it was Mike Jeffery. All of that is written about in this book I mentioned.


The thing about Jeffery wouldn't surprise me. I read Room Full of Mirrors and I got the impression that Jimi really wanted to go more in the Band Of Gypsies direction but his handlers weren't having it because he had caused such a sensation with his edgier music and they wanted him to keep doing the same things over and over 'cause they wanted him to continue being their cash cow.

I'm no Hendrix authority so I can't say for sure, but there's plenty of finger pointing to this day. In Room Full Of Mirrors, Cross implies that Eric Burdon could have saved him if he hadn't left the scene to save his own skin. On the other hand, Burdon places the blame on Monika, implying that she was a stalker who drugged him to keep him from catching a flight back to the US and accidentally od'd him.

Either way I get the impression that he was surrounded by leeches who ended up killing their "golden gooose".

Room Full Of Mirrors was heartbreaking. I'm not sure I could get through another Hendrix Book.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #9 posted 06/02/09 2:03pm

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It was said that Jimi couldn't say no to anyone, and would let people take advantage of him.
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Reply #10 posted 06/02/09 2:07pm

Timmy84

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It was said that Jimi couldn't say no to anyone, and would let people take advantage of him.


Yeah I heard that too. disbelief
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Reply #11 posted 06/02/09 2:23pm

babynoz

Timmy84 said:

Rinluv said:

It was said that Jimi couldn't say no to anyone, and would let people take advantage of him.


Yeah I heard that too. disbelief


From what I've read he was very trusting and quite naive about people.
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Reply #12 posted 06/02/09 2:26pm

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Timmy84 said:



Yeah I heard that too. disbelief


From what I've read he was very trusting and quite naive about people.


Yeah, I think sometimes the people you hang with can be bad on you especially if you die the way he did. He felt no one loved him. He didn't commit suicide tho but I think near the very end, he did begin to see that people were using him.
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Reply #13 posted 06/02/09 2:46pm

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Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:



From what I've read he was very trusting and quite naive about people.


Yeah, I think sometimes the people you hang with can be bad on you especially if you die the way he did. He felt no one loved him. He didn't commit suicide tho but I think near the very end, he did begin to see that people were using him.


Co-sign, I don't believe for a second that it was a suicide. None of those people were true friends to him, not one. The same ones who used him in life tried to cash in on his death as well...it's sickening.

Reading his bio was emotionally draining. My heart went out to the guy.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #14 posted 06/02/09 3:06pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:



Yeah, I think sometimes the people you hang with can be bad on you especially if you die the way he did. He felt no one loved him. He didn't commit suicide tho but I think near the very end, he did begin to see that people were using him.


Co-sign, I don't believe for a second that it was a suicide. None of those people were true friends to him, not one. The same ones who used him in life tried to cash in on his death as well...it's sickening.

Reading his bio was emotionally draining. My heart went out to the guy.


Yeah he was definitely troubled. It's sad he died, I think he could've taken his career to new heights, he might've indeed been part of the funk-rock movement, his music would've finally reached the black community (while still maintaining the white base) and he'd been respected. It's glad he's revered as he is now but it could've been better if he lived. I wonder if he knew what exactly what he was creating would change music history.
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Reply #15 posted 06/02/09 4:11pm

babynoz

Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:



Co-sign, I don't believe for a second that it was a suicide. None of those people were true friends to him, not one. The same ones who used him in life tried to cash in on his death as well...it's sickening.

Reading his bio was emotionally draining. My heart went out to the guy.


Yeah he was definitely troubled. It's sad he died, I think he could've taken his career to new heights, he might've indeed been part of the funk-rock movement, his music would've finally reached the black community (while still maintaining the white base) and he'd been respected. It's glad he's revered as he is now but it could've been better if he lived. I wonder if he knew what exactly what he was creating would change music history.



I really believe in my heart that he wanted to expand his creative reach and was being hemmed in by his handlers who only cared about cashing in.

The thing that bothered me most is that he was never able to have any peace and stability in his life.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #16 posted 06/02/09 4:16pm

Timmy84

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:



Yeah he was definitely troubled. It's sad he died, I think he could've taken his career to new heights, he might've indeed been part of the funk-rock movement, his music would've finally reached the black community (while still maintaining the white base) and he'd been respected. It's glad he's revered as he is now but it could've been better if he lived. I wonder if he knew what exactly what he was creating would change music history.



I really believe in my heart that he wanted to expand his creative reach and was being hemmed in by his handlers who only cared about cashing in.

The thing that bothered me most is that he was never able to have any peace and stability in his life.


That's how I feel about most of the rock legends (Jimi, Janis, Jimmy M., Marvin, John L. didn't get that until the end of his life and then THAT was taken away from him, etc.). sad
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Reply #17 posted 06/02/09 4:29pm

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Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:




I really believe in my heart that he wanted to expand his creative reach and was being hemmed in by his handlers who only cared about cashing in.

The thing that bothered me most is that he was never able to have any peace and stability in his life.


That's how I feel about most of the rock legends (Jimi, Janis, Jimmy M., Marvin, John L. didn't get that until the end of his life and then THAT was taken away from him, etc.). sad


Yep, and with Jimi it was from his earliest childhood. No stability or peace anywhere.

In a way I'm glad Prince is such a scrappy 'lil cuss because those leeches will suck your life out if you let them. He makes sure that he takes care of his damn self and will get a mofo up outta his isht with a quickness, lol

Could be a big reason why he's still alive and in decent health.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #18 posted 06/02/09 4:39pm

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babynoz said:



From what I've read he was very trusting and quite naive about people.


Did you ever see the film done about him around 1973 or so? It had the Allen twins, Pete Townshend, a very zoiked out EC, etc...? They all said this about him. David Bowie's wife Angie, OTOH, claimed that Jimi would pretend to be stoned in order to listen when folks thought he couldn't. I never knew which version to believe or whether both were true.
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Reply #19 posted 06/02/09 4:40pm

Timmy84

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:



That's how I feel about most of the rock legends (Jimi, Janis, Jimmy M., Marvin, John L. didn't get that until the end of his life and then THAT was taken away from him, etc.). sad


Yep, and with Jimi it was from his earliest childhood. No stability or peace anywhere.

In a way I'm glad Prince is such a scrappy 'lil cuss because those leeches will suck your life out if you let them. He makes sure that he takes care of his damn self and will get a mofo up outta his isht with a quickness, lol

Could be a big reason why he's still alive and in decent health.


Right. I'm so glad Prince turned out to be alright in his personal life. nod
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Reply #20 posted 06/02/09 4:42pm

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Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:




I really believe in my heart that he wanted to expand his creative reach and was being hemmed in by his handlers who only cared about cashing in.

The thing that bothered me most is that he was never able to have any peace and stability in his life.


That's how I feel about most of the rock legends (Jimi, Janis, Jimmy M., Marvin, John L. didn't get that until the end of his life and then THAT was taken away from him, etc.). sad


Don't forget Bob Marley too. Methinks Prince and others follwing these folks by and large learned from their mistakes, at least in some areas.
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Reply #21 posted 06/02/09 5:01pm

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Timmy84 said:



Yeah he was definitely troubled. It's sad he died, I think he could've taken his career to new heights, he might've indeed been part of the funk-rock movement, his music would've finally reached the black community (while still maintaining the white base) and he'd been respected. It's glad he's revered as he is now but it could've been better if he lived. I wonder if he knew what exactly what he was creating would change music history.


Based on "Band Of Gypsies" and other odds and sods from late in his life, I thought he was going in a more jazz-rock fusion direction and not funk. Most Black folks I come across who get turned on to Hendrix cite BoG as their intro as opposed to his JHE stuff. IOW, they start at the end and work backwards. I don't thik Jimi would have gone the funk route a la Sly or anything because that was already being done. I think he was going off in a whole new direction.

I think Jimi was quite well aware of his changing the direction of the music and his part in it. When he was offered the chance, he jumped in w/ both feet. He knew fully well what was going on in both the US and UK scenes before he ever left NYC w/ Chas Chandler. He was in it to win it. Too bad he didn't live to see the bread like his more uptight counterpart EC! mad

I don't think Jimi would have ever had mainstream success w/ Black Americans even if he'd lived longer. Far too "bohemian" for comfort for most, methinks. Like Bob Marley (who Blackwell launched from the UK via the previous Hendrix blueprint), neither conformed to the mainstream Black tastes of that era...and even now, to tell the truth. Unlike Marley, I'm not so sure Hendrix craved acceptance from Black folks either.
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Reply #22 posted 06/02/09 5:55pm

babynoz

brooksie said:

babynoz said:



From what I've read he was very trusting and quite naive about people.


Did you ever see the film done about him around 1973 or so? It had the Allen twins, Pete Townshend, a very zoiked out EC, etc...? They all said this about him. David Bowie's wife Angie, OTOH, claimed that Jimi would pretend to be stoned in order to listen when folks thought he couldn't. I never knew which version to believe or whether both were true.



Is that the same one where that sista was stoned and doing all that cussing?
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Reply #23 posted 06/02/09 6:12pm

babynoz

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:



Yeah he was definitely troubled. It's sad he died, I think he could've taken his career to new heights, he might've indeed been part of the funk-rock movement, his music would've finally reached the black community (while still maintaining the white base) and he'd been respected. It's glad he's revered as he is now but it could've been better if he lived. I wonder if he knew what exactly what he was creating would change music history.


Based on "Band Of Gypsies" and other odds and sods from late in his life, I thought he was going in a more jazz-rock fusion direction and not funk. Most Black folks I come across who get turned on to Hendrix cite BoG as their intro as opposed to his JHE stuff. IOW, they start at the end and work backwards. I don't thik Jimi would have gone the funk route a la Sly or anything because that was already being done. I think he was going off in a whole new direction.

I think Jimi was quite well aware of his changing the direction of the music and his part in it. When he was offered the chance, he jumped in w/ both feet. He knew fully well what was going on in both the US and UK scenes before he ever left NYC w/ Chas Chandler. He was in it to win it. Too bad he didn't live to see the bread like his more uptight counterpart EC! mad

I don't think Jimi would have ever had mainstream success w/ Black Americans even if he'd lived longer. Far too "bohemian" for comfort for most, methinks. Like Bob Marley (who Blackwell launched from the UK via the previous Hendrix blueprint), neither conformed to the mainstream Black tastes of that era...and even now, to tell the truth. Unlike Marley, I'm not so sure Hendrix craved acceptance from Black folks either.
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Band of Gypsies was indeed my intro to Jimi and still my preference even now.

As far as Bob Marley goes, I'll never forget his appearance on soul train where the kids literally laughed at him because they didn't get him or his music. eek

I remember because my mom was mad as hell and called 'em all sorts of ignorant fools.

Bless her soul, she's the reason I learned to appreciate all sorts of music.
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #24 posted 06/02/09 6:20pm

Timmy84

babynoz said:

brooksie said:



Based on "Band Of Gypsies" and other odds and sods from late in his life, I thought he was going in a more jazz-rock fusion direction and not funk. Most Black folks I come across who get turned on to Hendrix cite BoG as their intro as opposed to his JHE stuff. IOW, they start at the end and work backwards. I don't thik Jimi would have gone the funk route a la Sly or anything because that was already being done. I think he was going off in a whole new direction.

I think Jimi was quite well aware of his changing the direction of the music and his part in it. When he was offered the chance, he jumped in w/ both feet. He knew fully well what was going on in both the US and UK scenes before he ever left NYC w/ Chas Chandler. He was in it to win it. Too bad he didn't live to see the bread like his more uptight counterpart EC! mad

I don't think Jimi would have ever had mainstream success w/ Black Americans even if he'd lived longer. Far too "bohemian" for comfort for most, methinks. Like Bob Marley (who Blackwell launched from the UK via the previous Hendrix blueprint), neither conformed to the mainstream Black tastes of that era...and even now, to tell the truth. Unlike Marley, I'm not so sure Hendrix craved acceptance from Black folks either.
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Band of Gypsies was indeed my intro to Jimi and still my preference even now.

As far as Bob Marley goes, I'll never forget his appearance on soul train where the kids literally laughed at him because they didn't get him or his music. eek

I remember because my mom was mad as hell and called 'em all sorts of ignorant fools.

Bless her soul, she's the reason I learned to appreciate all sorts of music.


Both of y'all right. Maybe Jimi wouldn't have been accepted at all... but you're right about Bob, Both of them were just too wild for "the black community's" taste.
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Reply #25 posted 06/02/09 6:47pm

babynoz

Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:



Band of Gypsies was indeed my intro to Jimi and still my preference even now.

As far as Bob Marley goes, I'll never forget his appearance on soul train where the kids literally laughed at him because they didn't get him or his music. eek

I remember because my mom was mad as hell and called 'em all sorts of ignorant fools.

Bless her soul, she's the reason I learned to appreciate all sorts of music.


Both of y'all right. Maybe Jimi wouldn't have been accepted at all... but you're right about Bob, Both of them were just too wild for "the black community's" taste.


There are exceptions, but the black community in general didn't embrace a broad view of musical diversity, at least where I live. Marley was eventually elevated due to the large caribbean community in my area but Jimi still got a ways to go with many black folk.

Hell, I still get the stank eye from brothas and sistas because I listen to everything from classical music to Native American chants. lol
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I come from a music family, so they listened to everything. My uncle, a Hendrix fanatic if ever (he actually burned a guitar according to family legend), gave me my 1st Hendrix mixtape off vinyl in 1986 when I was 12! eek Back then, that just wasn't done. I'd heard of him and heard some of his music before, but this is where my love affair starts for real. I started out w/ cuts off "Experienced" and "Ladyland"...I found Axis and BoG on my own! razz

I'm glad nobody took offense to what I said about Black folks' conservative tastes and these two specific artists, but I really think it's true going by my experiences. As has been said, Marley's been big upped a bit w/ the help of a growing WI population after his death, but Jimi is still largely igged. Too bad cuz he opened up so many doors for Black artists who were NOT the Smokey era Temptations to experiment w/ their sounds and even their whole image. Could you imagine a Prince or even a Marley w/o a Jimi to blaze the trail? wink
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Reply #27 posted 06/02/09 7:18pm

Timmy84

brooksie said:

I come from a music family, so they listened to everything. My uncle, a Hendrix fanatic if ever (he actually burned a guitar according to family legend), gave me my 1st Hendrix mixtape off vinyl in 1986 when I was 12! eek Back then, that just wasn't done. I'd heard of him and heard some of his music before, but this is where my love affair starts for real. I started out w/ cuts off "Experienced" and "Ladyland"...I found Axis and BoG on my own! razz

I'm glad nobody took offense to what I said about Black folks' conservative tastes and these two specific artists, but I really think it's true going by my experiences. As has been said, Marley's been big upped a bit w/ the help of a growing WI population after his death, but Jimi is still largely igged. Too bad cuz he opened up so many doors for Black artists who were NOT the Smokey era Temptations to experiment w/ their sounds and even their whole image. Could you imagine a Prince or even a Marley w/o a Jimi to blaze the trail? wink


Doubt it. wink
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Reply #28 posted 06/02/09 7:21pm

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babynoz said:



Band of Gypsies was indeed my intro to Jimi and still my preference even now.

As far as Bob Marley goes, I'll never forget his appearance on soul train where the kids literally laughed at him because they didn't get him or his music. eek

I remember because my mom was mad as hell and called 'em all sorts of ignorant fools.

Bless her soul, she's the reason I learned to appreciate all sorts of music.


I had no idea that Bob actually got laughed off Soul Train eek ...I gotta look for that clip. I'm not surprised cuz tho I was very young, I recall people's reaction to reggae in general confused . LOL...methinks it was the hair back then. Folks were just starting to accept afros, dreads were too much!

Did that cussing sistah have a wild hair do? I need to pull out that tape again, but I think she was apart of Jimi's NYC "fam" along w/ the Allens. I forget her name, but I think she was also an ex of Sam Cooke.

If you dig BoG, have you heard that live Winterland New Year's Eve set he did? It was his last NYE, so that brings a tear..but he, Buddy and Billy tore it up.
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Reply #29 posted 06/02/09 7:26pm

Timmy84

Bob Marley was never on Soul Train. Ziggy was tho...
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