^^Yeah, but the real quote is only what Teddy thinks... there is no quote of Teddy saying that Michael actually said anything, that was added by the editor.. besides, it's still only a print quote, even though probably a more reliable one, than the, let's say, National Enquirer!

I highly doubt that Michael talks about his surgeries to anyone... as you could clearly see on Bashir, he doesn't want to talk about it all!

suga10 said:[quote]

PatrickS77 said:

the fans believe anything not from MJ mouth are lies, even though some of the things out of MJ mouth are blatant lies too.

Trying once again to bring some facts to this old discussion...

"For some patients with extensive involvement, the most practical treatment for vitiligo is to remove remaining pigment from normal skin and make the whole body an even white color. This is done with a chemical called monobenzylether of hydroquinone. This therapy takes about a year to complete. The pigment removal is permanent."

http://www.aad.org/public...tilgo.html

whatsgoingon said:

And none fans believe everything negative about MJ! I'm just sceptic, either way! Time and time again blatant bs has been written about him! And I just doubt that MJ would talk to Riley about his surgeries and that he in turn would run to the press to run his mouth about it!

PatrickS77 said:

So why did this radiohost say that Mj told him about how he felt after going having surgeries? 2:29 in the video that's what the radio host said.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...JxS0BrRWs8
[Edited 6/20/09 12:40pm]

suga10 said:

Listen back to that clip... he is not talking about MJ's surgery... Big Boy is telling how MJ was asking him, how he felt about his (Big Boy's) surgery... according to Wikipedia:

His stage name derives from his former large mass, which he modified through duodenal switch surgery in 2003 and the successive loss the next year of over 250 pounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...adio_host)

Nice try though!

cdcgold said:

I couldn't give a shit, but find it funny that you're so adamant about it. You can't admit that he did something to try and lighten his skin. That quote is pretty much proof, but you're still stuck on the semantics of whether he 'bleached' it or not.

CandaceS said:

Thank you!

PatrickS77 said:

Your a hard-core fan, that doesn't mean you know more about MJ than a non-fan. You do not know what he could have said to Teddy Riley, he worked closely with him so there is a great possibility that he shared personal details with him.

Being hard-core fan at times makes some people blind to what starring them in the face, that's why some of you dismiss everything what a news paper say yet believe MJ when he says he has only done 2 nose jobs!!

whatsgoingon said:

The quote Teddy says alludes to Michael doing something to his skin, but doesn't say what exactly.

After doing a lot of research I personally believe that Michael suffers from vitiligo, and that he underwent depigmentation treatment as a result, and this may be what Teddy is alluding to here. Maybe there is some regret on Michael's part about undergoing that procedure, and I have no doubt he has regret over the plastic surgery also.

Swa

whatsgoingon said:

how would people who don't have vitiligo get depigmentation just for whatever? that doesn't make any sense.

CandaceS said:

those ladies from africa were using that and they didn't have the skin diease. They had been doing it for years and were still the same color...just had bumps and uneven patches all over their skin. I can remember seeing something on youtube about this. I'll see if I can find the video.

Swa said:

whatsgoingon said:

Hmm... am I "hardcore"? What does that mean anyway? I would say I'm a fan and certainly do not blindly believe anything, regardless whether it comes from MJ or from the media or other sources, so that said you do not know what I dismiss and what I don't dismiss... and the fact that I'm a fan since over 20 years, who obviously follows things more closely than non-fans, means that I do know more than non-fans... why do some people, who listen to mainly tabloid and follow things in passing, always think that they know more, than people who closely followed this shit since more than 20 years??

I've read more reports, good and bad, than non fans! I've seen more footage of MJ, both on official and private videos than none fans! I have seen MJ in person countless times and visited Neverland and I have even spoken to him... more than any non-fan could ever claim! I do not claim to know it all (sometimes it's astonishing how little we all seem to know)... no one does, but to say, that I do not know more than the average non-fan is bs!

And the reaction of his on Bashir tells me enough to know that he wouldn't voluntarily honestly talk about that subject! Add to that the fact, that he is a very proud and stubborn man, who doesn't like to admit to mistakes, tells me enough to know that the possibility of him voicing regret regarding his cosmetical operations and procedures, towards a producer, is very slim! Let alone that producer running to the media to talk about it!

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Personally, I think the American Academy of Dermatology is a better source of information than a youtube video!

PatrickS77 said:

The chances that this was discussed aren't really slim when you consider Teddy and Michael worked on Dangerous for a long time. To get the best out of people you work with you have to engage them personally. It's not far fetched for Teddy to have asked Michael, so how do you feel about all this "he's trying to be white BS" during the sessions and having a discussion around it. Now how much Michael said is anyone's guess.

I think Teddy's comment may have been part of Teddy trying to do right by Michael and maybe bring in some of his own observations. It might also have been a direct quote with Teddy retelling word for word what Michael has said.

I don't think the quote in itself is necessarily saying Michael changed the colour of his skin, that some people are trying to suggest. My previous post covers this.

Just adding my 2cents.

Swa

PatrickS77 said:

Being a hard-core fans of 20 years doesn't mean much considering MJ has been around for 40 years. I probably know more about MJ than you considering I have been following his career way before OTW came out and that was 30 years ago, but I still want proclaim to know exactly what he could have said or not say to his producer.

The relationship MJ had with Riley completely different from what he had with Bashir. Bashir was a TV producer who was doing a documentary for the world to see. The relationship with Teddy was behind close doors, so they could have discuss everything and anything.

It's just like the child abuse allegations, although I have my doubts about them mainly due to the fact MJ was just a little too open about his relationship with children. Having said that if he has been sleeping in the same bed with a child behind close doors anything can happen, we just don't know for sure. So being a fan of 20 years and reading every single article and that has ever been written about him and going to Neverland doesn't mean you know him inside out.
[Edited 6/21/09 0:50am]

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

If you have money you can get anything. Why would someone like MJ who had already had 2 nose jobs by the time Thriller came out continue get surgery done on their face? Because a greedy surgeon was willing to help MJ destroy his face. You would have thought a plastic surgeon after the second nose job would have told him enough is enough and send him to therapy, instead they helped destroyed his face because of money.

whatsgoingon said:

i doubt hollywood plastic surgeons are that greedy. i mean how much is a nose job? $20k? i'm sure many of the top end surgeons that do celebs have a reputation to uphold, and get business on the back of the reputation and referrals, so if they do a good job they get more business, but if they do a high profile bad job it would affect business. i mean who would want to use the same surgeon as michael jackson?

anyway you can't blame the surgeon for doing what his client has asked and offered to pay for. the simple fact is MJ didn't need any cosmetic surgery, no one would have forced him to do it, so he made that choice. if he had breathing problems with his nose, surely a good surgeon could have done it without changing the external shape of his nose so much. considering he has makeup tatood on his eyes and lips and the cleft in his chin, all unnecessary, suggests that the breathing operation is just an excuse for why he changed the nose that he didn't like, as he was teased as a kid about it

there's just too much coincidence that in a short period he just so happened to have had a severe case of vitiligo and changed his skin colour from black to white at the same time as his nose, chin, eyes and lips, and/or whatever else he did to his face

he obviously choose to have all the cosmectic surgery, so it's understandable that people think he also choose to change his skin colour, and vitiligo is just an excuse in the same way as his breathing was an excuse to change his nose. i don't know what the excuse or point of the cleft in his chin was for

and on top of the complete change of face and skin colour his behaviour became bizarre around the same time, taking a pet monkey everywhere with him, building neverland with a zoo and funfair, these aren't normal things for anyone, even a celebrity, so bearing all of this in mind, it's not unreasonable to think that didn't opt to change his skin colour from his own choice. he choose to change his face a number of times, so why wouldn't he choose to change his skin colour? that's a strange thing to do, but so is changing your face and having a monkey as a friend. perhaps he had some vitiligo and chose to turn the rest of his skin lighter instead of try and keep it darker. he chose his face to look like peter pan, but peter pan wasn't white, so maybe he wanted to complete the transformation?

unique said:

I have no doubt that Michael choose to look the way he does, however a good surgeon would have recommended therapy after he went back the third time, then the fourth time and so on. The surgery should have stopped with the first nose job during the OTW period and never go as far the Bad era, because by then he looked like a completely different person. He should have been black listed by every plastic surgeon in Hollywood from the Thriller era onwards.

I was going thru this thread and couldn't help notice the discussions about the lineage of the kids....

For the life of me, I can't understand why MJ fans are so uppity about admitting that these two are NOT his biological kids.

Come off it, guys...

Lots of people adopt babies, brad pitt does, jolie does, madonna does...what's so wrong in that?

With MJ's case everything is stupidly cloak and dagger..he would never admit those kids are adopted....maybe he's insecure about his sexuality...but that doesn't mean we have to follow suit.

They are NOT his biological kids, but he's adopted them, SO yes, for all practical purposes, they are his kids.

And people, pl drop the insinuations that prince's eyes or nose is like michael's....u're not fooling anybody, just deluding urselves.

you guys still talking about surgeries ?????

whatsgoingon said:

yeah but a dermotologist is a lot different than a plastic surgeon. there are many plastic surgeons that have screwed up faces over the years. i think the plastic surgeons are partly to blame in this case.

unique said:

you really pull explanations out of your ass sometimes. Michael has always been eccentric. Just didn't start with bubbles. we already talked about that (in the bolded part). plus michael had vitiligo since the late 70s but he wasn't diagnosed until 1984 or 1986 with the disorder.You should know this stuff since you know everything about mj and love to write essays about him on here.

Funkyalien said:

i think this is the real father...

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

do you have any proof of this, or are you just posting your thoughts the same as everyone else, and aren't any more right or wrong?

seeingvoices12 said:

this is what he would look today if he didn't have any surgery...

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

yeah, cuz it wouldn't be michael jacksons fault would it, nothing is ever his fault

unique said:

read what i wrote ...i said partly.