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Printablefunksoulpop said: Everybody agrees his voice live has diminished but why? we haven't even discussed this. When was the point during the Bad tour when it got so strained as he didn't cancel too many concerts if i remember.
I seemed to recall reading about Michael having to undergo an operation for nodules on the vocal chords around the Bad era. Can't seem to locate any news articles via the web to confirm this - wonder if BBoy has any info, Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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PatrickS77 said: ehuffnsd said: i'd like to submit Ricky Martin into the singing dancing discussion
And you point is? There was not much singing and not much dancing in this video! let's see you try to sing after doing that You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I also found this very interesting article.
http://www.rollingstone.c...ous_mind/7 One particular day, Swedien found Jackson crying in a room he used as his office at Record One. He was upset because the song he had been trying to sing was in the wrong key. "The day had come for Michael to put the lead on 'Keep the Faith,' " says Swedien. "He sang the first and second verses, and then he disappeared. It was very unlike Michael. I found him standing in the corner of his office crying his eyes out. He was absolutely heartbroken, cut to the quick.
"I told him, 'Michael, it's not that big a deal,' " Swedien says. " 'I'll just record it in the other key.' We'd tried two keys and, unfortunately, picked the wrong one. He was really upset. I told him, 'Michael, we've got to face this right now.' I called the synth player and programmer. I felt we had to get the right key and get Michael to face it before it turned into something ugly. And another very interesting quote and shows that Michael is a Body Dysmorphic Disorder sufferer. Teddy Riley says that during the Dangerous recording sessions, Jackson talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin. "I'm quite sure if Michael could have done it all over again, he would not have done that," says Riley. "But there's no turning back. Once you change your description, you can't turn back. You can't get your own face on your own skin back again. But he is still Michael Jackson; he is still the talented man that everybody grew up on."
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suga10 said: I also found this very interesting article.
http://www.rollingstone.c...ous_mind/7 One particular day, Swedien found Jackson crying in a room he used as his office at Record One. He was upset because the song he had been trying to sing was in the wrong key. "The day had come for Michael to put the lead on 'Keep the Faith,' " says Swedien. "He sang the first and second verses, and then he disappeared. It was very unlike Michael. I found him standing in the corner of his office crying his eyes out. He was absolutely heartbroken, cut to the quick.
"I told him, 'Michael, it's not that big a deal,' " Swedien says. " 'I'll just record it in the other key.' We'd tried two keys and, unfortunately, picked the wrong one. He was really upset. I told him, 'Michael, we've got to face this right now.' I called the synth player and programmer. I felt we had to get the right key and get Michael to face it before it turned into something ugly. And another very interesting quote Teddy Riley says that during the Dangerous recording sessions, Jackson talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin. "I'm quite sure if Michael could have done it all over again, he would not have done that," says Riley. "But there's no turning back. Once you change your description, you can't turn back. You can't get your own face on your own skin back again. But he is still Michael Jackson; he is still the talented man that everybody grew up on."
[Edited 6/19/09 20:27pm] That first paragraph is sad, it's gotta be hard for singers when their voice doesn't work how they want it to anymore. As for the second one: talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin. So that pretty much sounds like MJ did stuff to his skin himself that he wishes he could undo...no mention of 'vitiligo'. | |
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Serena said: suga10 said: I also found this very interesting article.
http://www.rollingstone.c...ous_mind/7 [Edited 6/19/09 20:27pm] That first paragraph is sad, it's gotta be hard for singers when their voice doesn't work how they want it to anymore. As for the second one: talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin. So that pretty much sounds like MJ did stuff to his skin himself that he wishes he could undo...no mention of 'vitiligo'. if you want to believe he bleached his skin than fine. I know i'm sick of trying to convince people who choose to believe something that's illogical and biologically impossible. | |
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cdcgold said: Serena said: That first paragraph is sad, it's gotta be hard for singers when their voice doesn't work how they want it to anymore. As for the second one: talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin. So that pretty much sounds like MJ did stuff to his skin himself that he wishes he could undo...no mention of 'vitiligo'. if you want to believe he bleached his skin than fine. I know i'm sick of trying to convince people who choose to believe something that's illogical and biologically impossible. Bleaching doesn't make one light like MJ, but skin dipigmentation creams are a whole different story, which can strip pigmentation off skin. [Edited 6/19/09 21:55pm] | |
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cdcgold said: Serena said: That first paragraph is sad, it's gotta be hard for singers when their voice doesn't work how they want it to anymore. As for the second one: talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin. So that pretty much sounds like MJ did stuff to his skin himself that he wishes he could undo...no mention of 'vitiligo'. if you want to believe he bleached his skin than fine. I know i'm sick of trying to convince people who choose to believe something that's illogical and biologically impossible. Gee, how did I know you'd jump on this? 
Then what do you think he did to his skin that he wishes he hadn't done? (btw...I've NEVER said the term 'bleaching', but obviously something was done to change the pigment.) [Edited 6/19/09 22:40pm] | |
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Swa said: funksoulpop said: Everybody agrees his voice live has diminished but why? we haven't even discussed this. When was the point during the Bad tour when it got so strained as he didn't cancel too many concerts if i remember.
I seemed to recall reading about Michael having to undergo an operation for nodules on the vocal chords around the Bad era. Can't seem to locate any news articles via the web to confirm this - wonder if BBoy has any info, Swa I can confirm that he went to a London clinic on the Dangerous tour (not the Bad tour) for suspected nodules on his vocal chords. He postponed the Istanbul concert as a result. This information is in "The Visual Documentary" by Adrian Grant, but there's nothing about what treatment he received. [Edited 6/19/09 22:26pm] www.maximum-jackson.com
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marnifrances said: Swa said: I seemed to recall reading about Michael having to undergo an operation for nodules on the vocal chords around the Bad era. Can't seem to locate any news articles via the web to confirm this - wonder if BBoy has any info, Swa I can confirm that he went to a London clinic on the Dangerous tour (not the Bad tour) for suspected nodules on his vocal chords. He postponed the Istanbul concert as a result. This information is in "The Visual Documentary" by Adrian Grant, but there's nothing about what treatment he received. [Edited 6/19/09 22:26pm] Anything during the History Tour for suspected vocal nodulus? | |
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michael jackson doesn't suffer from vertigo or nothing. the true story is that as he got older he started hanging out in a gang, as seen in the beat it video, and his momma told him that if he didn't stop hanging out in gangs she would beat the black offa his ass, and that's what the song beat it is all about. when she found out he was not only still in a gang but did that video, she made her threat real. that's why the next time you see him with his gang facing wesley snipes in the bad video that he has changed colour and his face is all different from the plastic surgery due to the asswhupping. when she found out about the bad video he got another beating and changed some more, and that's when he got a monkey as a friend and a zoo at neverland cuz he wasn't allowed to hang out with the big boys anymore, which is why only the little kids were allowed at neverland and that story is all true, but of course the fans will want to deny and rubbish it like everything else 
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DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH
----- Roger's Underground Club Solution http://www.youtube.com/wa...5ECjCJH5po ROCK WITH YOU ---- Masters At Work Remix http://www.youtube.com/wa...9ur1JXSBsE OFF THE WALL ----- Junior Vasquez Remix http://www.youtube.com/wa...wQPBd1I4x8 Call me a purist but I'll keep my comments to the official remixes. I'm not a fan of home made remixes where people just pull out beats and lay them over the top of the normal mix. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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unique said:
michael jackson doesn't suffer from vertigo or nothing. the true story is that as he got older he started hanging out in a gang, as seen in the beat it video, and his momma told him that if he didn't stop hanging out in gangs she would beat the black offa his ass, and that's what the song beat it is all about. when she found out he was not only still in a gang but did that video, she made her threat real. that's why the next time you see him with his gang facing wesley snipes in the bad video that he has changed colour and his face is all different from the plastic surgery due to the asswhupping. when she found out about the bad video he got another beating and changed some more, and that's when he got a monkey as a friend and a zoo at neverland cuz he wasn't allowed to hang out with the big boys anymore, which is why only the little kids were allowed at neverland and that story is all true, but of course the fans will want to deny and rubbish it like everything else
http://milowerx.com/milow...ichael.wmv Now that was funny. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: DON'T STOP TIL YOU GET ENOUGH
----- Roger's Underground Club Solution http://www.youtube.com/wa...5ECjCJH5po ROCK WITH YOU ---- Masters At Work Remix http://www.youtube.com/wa...9ur1JXSBsE OFF THE WALL ----- Junior Vasquez Remix http://www.youtube.com/wa...wQPBd1I4x8 Call me a purist but I'll keep my comments to the official remixes. I'm not a fan of home made remixes where people just pull out beats and lay them over the top of the normal mix. Swa No! you gotta choose on the other songs too Swa! YOU HAVE TO!
I'm compiling a remix collection of official and unofficial remixes to go with my OTW 30 essay so you gotta choose
I've yet to find remixes for She's Out of My Life, You Can't Win, and Sunset Driver and I'm looking for more remixes for It's The Falling In Love "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: No! you gotta choose on the other songs too Swa! YOU HAVE TO!
I'm compiling a remix collection of official and unofficial remixes to go with my OTW 30 essay so you gotta choose
I've yet to find remixes for She's Out of My Life, You Can't Win, and Sunset Driver and I'm looking for more remixes for It's The Falling In Love Call me old fashioned, but I don't like bluring the lines between official releases and remixes and the fan made ones - it just drives the completist in my insane. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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suga10 said: I also found this very interesting article.
http://www.rollingstone.c...ous_mind/7 One particular day, Swedien found Jackson crying in a room he used as his office at Record One. He was upset because the song he had been trying to sing was in the wrong key. "The day had come for Michael to put the lead on 'Keep the Faith,' " says Swedien. "He sang the first and second verses, and then he disappeared. It was very unlike Michael. I found him standing in the corner of his office crying his eyes out. He was absolutely heartbroken, cut to the quick.
"I told him, 'Michael, it's not that big a deal,' " Swedien says. " 'I'll just record it in the other key.' We'd tried two keys and, unfortunately, picked the wrong one. He was really upset. I told him, 'Michael, we've got to face this right now.' I called the synth player and programmer. I felt we had to get the right key and get Michael to face it before it turned into something ugly. And another very interesting quote and shows that Michael is a Body Dysmorphic Disorder sufferer. Teddy Riley says that during the Dangerous recording sessions, Jackson talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin. "I'm quite sure if Michael could have done it all over again, he would not have done that," says Riley. "But there's no turning back. Once you change your description, you can't turn back. You can't get your own face on your own skin back again. But he is still Michael Jackson; he is still the talented man that everybody grew up on."
[Edited 6/19/09 20:27pm] [Edited 6/19/09 20:39pm] wasn't there a quote by quincy that michael talked him in the early nineties and said he regretted what he had done to his face? | |
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suga10 said: cdcgold said: if you want to believe he bleached his skin than fine. I know i'm sick of trying to convince people who choose to believe something that's illogical and biologically impossible. Bleaching doesn't make one light like MJ, but skin dipigmentation creams are a whole different story, which can strip pigmentation off skin. [Edited 6/19/09 21:55pm] the bleaching just causes bumps all over the skin...rough patches as well. They had this report on these women in Africa that were bleaching their skin and they were still the same color but had horrible bumps and rough patches all over their skin. I believe that michael went under the depigmentation for vitilago. It's said to be recommended for those who have the most serious stage of vitiligo. He really should of stayed spotted and wore no makeup...would of helped him but he's so sensitive about his looks. | |
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Swa said: bboy87 said: No! you gotta choose on the other songs too Swa! YOU HAVE TO!
I'm compiling a remix collection of official and unofficial remixes to go with my OTW 30 essay so you gotta choose
I've yet to find remixes for She's Out of My Life, You Can't Win, and Sunset Driver and I'm looking for more remixes for It's The Falling In Love Call me old fashioned, but I don't like bluring the lines between official releases and remixes and the fan made ones - it just drives the completist in my insane. Swa but some of them are good 
The Tangoterje Mix of I Can't Help It is heavenly! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Swa said: Call me old fashioned, but I don't like bluring the lines between official releases and remixes and the fan made ones - it just drives the completist in my insane. Swa but some of them are good
The Tangoterje Mix of I Can't Help It is heavenly! i wouldn't use an unnoficial mix unless you really had to. with a choice of mixes, stick to the official ones, as usually the unnoficial ones are just the album version with other sounds added on top, some might use the acapellas. the original set of new remixes that was on the heal the world 12" weren't bad, like roger sanchez don't stop till you get enough which was before people got really sick of him using the exact same production on every remix he did, start off without drums, just a bit of keyboards, maybe then a little vocals, kick drum for a couple of bars, then the rest of the drums and then bass etc, building it up. the style worked well with disco/garage tracks, and that's pretty much the same for most remixes, but when a track doesn't follow the usual disco beat the remixes can usually end up pretty crap, like all the junior vasquez prince remixes apart from round and round. his remixes to more disco type songs were good though and he was good dj the masters at work rock with you was good too, i used to play that in clubs. i used to play a lot of MAW stuff and they had a way of remixing a track in a dubby house style so they could take just a bit of a track and make it into something new. they didn't whore themselves too much at the start, but they could take a shitty or undancable song and make a house tune that was good, it just sounded nothing like the original | |
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unique said: bboy87 said: but some of them are good
The Tangoterje Mix of I Can't Help It is heavenly! i wouldn't use an unnoficial mix unless you really had to. with a choice of mixes, stick to the official ones, as usually the unnoficial ones are just the album version with other sounds added on top, some might use the acapellas. the original set of new remixes that was on the heal the world 12" weren't bad, like roger sanchez don't stop till you get enough which was before people got really sick of him using the exact same production on every remix he did, start off without drums, just a bit of keyboards, maybe then a little vocals, kick drum for a couple of bars, then the rest of the drums and then bass etc, building it up. the style worked well with disco/garage tracks, and that's pretty much the same for most remixes, but when a track doesn't follow the usual disco beat the remixes can usually end up pretty crap, like all the junior vasquez prince remixes apart from round and round. his remixes to more disco type songs were good though and he was good dj the masters at work rock with you was good too, i used to play that in clubs. i used to play a lot of MAW stuff and they had a way of remixing a track in a dubby house style so they could take just a bit of a track and make it into something new. they didn't whore themselves too much at the start, but they could take a shitty or undancable song and make a house tune that was good, it just sounded nothing like the original I am, I'm gonna be using official mixes for Off The Wall, Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, and Rock With You, but the others don't have "official" remixes so I'm gonna try to use a couple of white label and underground mixes for the rest, for example, the Tangoterje Mix of I Can't Help It I can't find remixes for She's Out Of My Life barely any for Girlfriend and Sunset Driver (which I want to add as a bonus) "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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midnightmover said: Michael's close gay friend Freddie Mercury giving his legendary Live Aid performance at Wembley Stadium. Somehow he manages to sound good despite being in an outdoor stadium. Wonder how he managed that. Maybe it has something to do with being a good live singer. Just a thought.
[Edited 6/19/09 9:45am] I love Freddie, but Michael has also sung at Wembley Stadium and his vocals were amazing also. | |
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bboy87 said: I am, I'm gonna be using official mixes for Off The Wall, Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, and Rock With You, but the others don't have "official" remixes so I'm gonna try to use a couple of white label and underground mixes for the rest, for example, the Tangoterje Mix of I Can't Help It I can't find remixes for She's Out Of My Life barely any for Girlfriend and Sunset Driver (which I want to add as a bonus) i cant wait man!!! How will we fill our empty room?
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Swa said: funksoulpop said: Everybody agrees his voice live has diminished but why? we haven't even discussed this. When was the point during the Bad tour when it got so strained as he didn't cancel too many concerts if i remember.
I seemed to recall reading about Michael having to undergo an operation for nodules on the vocal chords around the Bad era. Can't seem to locate any news articles via the web to confirm this - wonder if BBoy has any info, Swa Yeah, it was at the end of the european leg of the Dangerous tour... a couple of shows got cancelled/postponed and he went to London for operation/treatment! | |
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ehuffnsd said: PatrickS77 said: And you point is? There was not much singing and not much dancing in this video! let's see you try to sing after doing that Ricky only joined in dancing at 40 sec and there wasn't much singing and dancing after that! And I'm no singer and no dancer... so you don't want to hear and see me sing and dance! | |
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suga10 said: marnifrances said: I can confirm that he went to a London clinic on the Dangerous tour (not the Bad tour) for suspected nodules on his vocal chords. He postponed the Istanbul concert as a result. This information is in "The Visual Documentary" by Adrian Grant, but there's nothing about what treatment he received. [Edited 6/19/09 22:26pm] Anything during the History Tour for suspected vocal nodulus? Not that I have ever read / heard / seen. But I do know that in Australia he didn't talk much at an award ceremony in Melbourne, indicating that he had voice problems. www.maximum-jackson.com
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Serena said: cdcgold said: if you want to believe he bleached his skin than fine. I know i'm sick of trying to convince people who choose to believe something that's illogical and biologically impossible. Gee, how did I know you'd jump on this?
Then what do you think he did to his skin that he wishes he hadn't done? (btw...I've NEVER said the term 'bleaching', but obviously something was done to change the pigment.) [Edited 6/19/09 22:40pm] like i said whatever.  if it's that important to you to believe that, than be my guess. whatever gives you peace of mind | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: suga10 said: Bleaching doesn't make one light like MJ, but skin dipigmentation creams are a whole different story, which can strip pigmentation off skin. [Edited 6/19/09 21:55pm] the bleaching just causes bumps all over the skin...rough patches as well. They had this report on these women in Africa that were bleaching their skin and they were still the same color but had horrible bumps and rough patches all over their skin. I believe that michael went under the depigmentation for vitilago. It's said to be recommended for those who have the most serious stage of vitiligo. He really should of stayed spotted and wore no makeup...would of helped him but he's so sensitive about his looks. why most vitiligo sufferers cover it up. that's why many people don't even know what it is, even though 1 million people in the us alone have it. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: suga10 said: Bleaching doesn't make one light like MJ, but skin dipigmentation creams are a whole different story, which can strip pigmentation off skin. [Edited 6/19/09 21:55pm] the bleaching just causes bumps all over the skin...rough patches as well. They had this report on these women in Africa that were bleaching their skin and they were still the same color but had horrible bumps and rough patches all over their skin. I believe that michael went under the depigmentation for vitilago. It's said to be recommended for those who have the most serious stage of vitiligo. He really should of stayed spotted and wore no makeup...would of helped him but he's so sensitive about his looks. just let it go, the will believe what they want. theres no point in trying to talk some sense in them | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: suga10 said: Bleaching doesn't make one light like MJ, but skin dipigmentation creams are a whole different story, which can strip pigmentation off skin. [Edited 6/19/09 21:55pm] the bleaching just causes bumps all over the skin...rough patches as well. They had this report on these women in Africa that were bleaching their skin and they were still the same color but had horrible bumps and rough patches all over their skin. I believe that michael went under the depigmentation for vitilago. It's said to be recommended for those who have the most serious stage of vitiligo. He really should of stayed spotted and wore no makeup...would of helped him but he's so sensitive about his looks. Using bleaching cream over the counter is not going to make you look that much lighter, true. Depigmentation is a little different it practically strips away your pigment & is permanent. That's why it is recommended to vitiligo sufferers but peeps who do not have vitiligo do it too, but the side effects would be similar to that of vitiligo sufferer; covering up and staying out of the sun will apply. And another thing I ask the fans why would Teddy Riley say that MJ regrets messing with his face & skin if MJ never discuss such thing? I don't see why Teddy has to lie about what Michael said or did not say. Apart from the fans who blame everything on the media, the whole world including MJ himself knows he messed up that once lovely face. [Edited 6/20/09 10:28am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: And another thing I ask the fans why would Teddy Riley say that MJ regrets messing with his face & skin if MJ never discuss such thing? I don't see why Teddy has to lie about what Michael said or did not say.
Apart from the fans who blame everything on the media, the whole world including MJ himself knows he messed up that once lovely face. [Edited 6/20/09 10:28am] Geez, do we know Teddy really said that?? Have you heard it from his mouth or just read a quote somewhere?? | |
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PatrickS77 said: whatsgoingon said: And another thing I ask the fans why would Teddy Riley say that MJ regrets messing with his face & skin if MJ never discuss such thing? I don't see why Teddy has to lie about what Michael said or did not say.
Apart from the fans who blame everything on the media, the whole world including MJ himself knows he messed up that once lovely face. [Edited 6/20/09 10:28am] Geez, do we know Teddy really said that?? Have you heard it from his mouth or just read a quote somewhere?? It was from the Rolling Stone Interview from 1992 http://www.rollingstone.c...ous_mind/7 Teddy Riley says that during the Dangerous recording sessions, Jackson talked a lot about what he'd done to his face and skin.
"I'm quite sure if Michael could have done it all over again, he would not have done that," says Riley. "But there's no turning back. Once you change your description, you can't turn back. You can't get your own face on your own skin back again. But he is still Michael Jackson; he is still the talented man that everybody grew up on." | |
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