Go alt.music.prince there is story from former paisley park employee states he seen terence and prince kiss on the mouth

Garth Brooks was mentioned. I think that's a great one. Any number of males in huge hard rock bands like the Stones, Aerosmith, KISS, Led Zeppelin, etc. would be others (although they were influenced for a time by the androgyny of the '80s).

Garth Brooks... really? He just seem that uber-masculine to me...

Well, he wasn't slapping women , but he was definitely a man's man on and off stage. You wouldn't see him with a scarf around his neck and crawling out of a tub like a kitty, for example.

Honestly, I think there's an argument the entire country genre has thrived around the manly aesthetic. (Minus Keith Urban, maybe... but Gretchen Wilson balances out his femmy tendencies. ) Some singers -- like Brad Paisley -- have even made a sort of schtick out of it.

Garth Brooks... really? He just seem that uber-masculine to me...

Correction. Terence kiss Prince on the mouth of an unexpecting Prince. They didn't kiss eachother.

Garth Brooks was mentioned. I think that's a great one. Any number of males in huge hard rock bands like the Stones, Aerosmith, KISS, Led Zeppelin, etc. would be others (although they were influenced for a time by the androgyny of the '80s).

Garth Brooks... really? He just seem that uber-masculine to me... Almost looks like a teddy-bear I think...

I do agree with the other examples though...

Garth Brooks... really? He just seem that uber-masculine to me... Almost looks like a teddy-bear I think...

I do agree with the other examples though...

I referenced Brooks and Vince Gill as examples. But you could take any solo male country artist as an example (except for, perhaps, Kenny Chesney. I mean, if Reneé Zelleweger divorces you for "fraud," it practically telegraphs to everyone) of what I consider a more normalized, widely accepted heterosexual male entertainer standard (for lack of a better phrase).

But you think about it: Country music appeals to conservative Americans who "cling to their guns and religion," to quote Obama. Successful male singers range from the diminutive Brad Paisley to the towering (6'6") Trace Adkins

[img]Surly-lookin' Trace wuz here[/img]

I referenced Brooks and Vince Gill as examples. But you could take any solo male country artist as an example (except for, perhaps, Kenny Chesney. I mean, if Reneé Zelleweger divorces you for "fraud," it practically telegraphs to everyone) of what I consider a more normalized, widely accepted heterosexual male entertainer standard (for lack of a better phrase).

But you think about it: Country music appeals to conservative Americans who "cling to their guns and religion," to quote Obama. Successful male singers range from the diminutive Brad Paisley to the towering (6'6") Trace Adkins

I dunno, man. There are some gals who look like that on the near West Side of Cleveland.

Dude, that's Ohio for you. I spent a summer in Cinti and came up with the name "beast women" for a reason...

Correction. Terence kiss Prince on the mouth of an unexpecting Prince. They didn't kiss eachother.

Actually it was Prince who kissed TTD on the mouth .

But didn't the 70's have alot of androgyny & glam also??



Bowie, Jagger, Elton, T-Rex, Sylvester

Sylvester was one of the first black androgynous celebrities to have some mainstream success...I think. Not too sure. But I know he was one of the first. So was Nona Hendryx of Labelle (though I think Patti was kinda androgynous during this period too wearing short silver hairdos, lol, there's that famous picture taking from their Metropolitan performance with her in silver hair, classic).
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Actually, it was Little Richard. But in fairness, Richard was (and still is) macho compare to Sylvester.

Little Richard for some reason, I think, muddled the ground from androgynous and masculinity. It's like Prince, he's an enigma. With Sylvester, he made no muddled ground, he was flamboyant 110%!

Again, Richard and P have a certain degree of "street" to them. Though, Richard's "shut up!" and antics put him somewhere between P and Sylvester.

I fully understand and even agree with the point you're making, but I'd say that cute and cuddly or educated and well-spoken are almost always considered more appealing by the general public, regardless of race, than big and imposing and overtly masculine is.

Really interesting interview with Terence here, but at one point he says "I don't think Prince is bi-sexual, but I think that's essentially what he is". Don't know exactly what he means there, but it's an interesting interview anyway. Enjoy.

Maybe TTD was just looking for some company in the sexuality department. He now says he's gay, but back then he either didn't know or was too scared to let the world know. He should have just spoken for himself in the sexual orientation department and left Prince's alone. Like he said, Prince is what he is.

Maybe TTD was just looking for some company in the sexuality department. He now says he's gay, but back then he either didn't know or was too scared to let the world know. He should have just spoken for himself in the sexual orientation department and left Prince's alone. Like he said, Prince is what he is.