vainandy said:

That is not true. There are SEVERAL r&b artists who don't necessarily use any rap/hip hop, so don't give me that "That's all there is" nonsense.
And for the comment by TD3-music of death? Come ON! Aren't we being a tad over-dramatic with that ignorant statement? Music of death-there is heavy metal, death metal, metal period.

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kenlacam said:

Where? All I hear are those artists that are just as slow and dull as shit hop and use those same weak tapping sounding drum machines that the shit hoppers use. The only difference is, they are singing on top of it rather than rapping on top of it. And the hell with some neo-soul or whatever the hell it's called also. All that shit is slow and dull. Where's the hard hitting uptempo jams with the real drums and bass? There ain't none....period.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Really, go into any club in NYC and you will see white girls from the south who think they are new yorkers, all of a sudden be the Flo-rida dancing fools when that shit comes on, and think they are suddenly "black" because they listened to a hip hop song, and of course they use their favorite word...."gangsta"

lastdecember said:

What's the female equivalent for douchebag?

i'll help you out ken. andy has no interest in any artist you throw his way. it has to make HIS ass shake or else it dont pass. even if all the asses in the world find it shakeworthy...

point blank period? hip hop fucked up his club experience, and when you fuck wit andy's clubbin... your dead to him. be you hip hop, r&b, two men banging stones on the concrete...dont matter..


fuck wit his dancin high...and he'll kill you



(all applicants must surpass a bpm of 225 or dont even bother)

SirPsycho said:

oh ...and dont be actin like no thug when you know damn well he can beat.

(if i missed anything andy, please add )
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Oh honey, I don't take nothing up the ass. My asshole is boarded up with a sign that says "do not enter". But that is what those damn thugs want though.

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vainandy said:

corrected.

Timmy84 said:

Nah, it's called slumming.

whatever, last december. there are tons of black people that buy that mess...believe me and if you don't like it then people question your blackness...I've seen it. Don't blame white people for everything. There are putting this mess out in the first place...rappers. Responsibility goes all around...the blame shouldn't be put all on white people.

SirPsycho said:

Most hip-hop/rap that were release BEFORE January 1994 are still worth listening to (especially those within 88-93, my favorite hip-hop era).

My main disappointment is most of the hip-hop/rap movement from 1994-present. Apart from 2pac (Rest In Peace), the music has gone downhill (musically AND lyrically) due to the fact that unless the style of rap is "gangsta", "materialistic", and/or "dumb-downed", the music itself can never be successful on the mainstream level.

And to make matters worse, most of hip-hop/rap has spent damn nearly 16 years straight of the tempo at OR close to the 95 BPM (beats per minute) mark. The hip-hop/rap producers & beatmakers need to increase the tempo more often.
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vainandy said:

BTW, some of those same rap artists that preach hate against gay men are THE same rap artists that have absolute no problems with having lipstick lesbians AND bisexual women as video hoes in their music videos. This act alone makes them a bunch of sexual hypocrites

And please don't anyone in the org get me started about a few male rap artists on the DL that have/had a few tranny connections!

SirPsycho said:

Good one! Pac also had his own version of Prince's Pop Life as well, which was never released until years after his death.

And lets not forget about Snoop Dogg's Prince-inspired hit:

Cinnie said:

Who sings the bridge?

I also have to say i've never seen anybody on the org
feenin over kurtis blow's basketball? Not sure about
your argument here.

same kinda tempo , over use of sampling, and today that plastic clap sound , and the lyrics are less clever then lets say .... 15 -20 years ago.

vainandy said:

http://prince.org/msg/8/308368

http://www.imeem.com/conf...ion-flirt/

http://www.imeem.com/fuze...day-night/

http://www.dailymotion.co...-fun_music

kenlacam said:

Little hard not to listen to it when it's everywhere.

I can't go to the clubs, buy clothes, or even head to the store to pick up milk without hearing some of this music playing. How do you suggest I not listen to it? Stay home all day?

vainandy said:

uh oh.....vaindaddy gives his 2 shitty cents one more time about hip hop

you sound like broken record man

get over it.....it is here to stay.....nothing you can do.....

you gotsta chill!

vainandy said:

*cough* *cough* Chromeo! *cough*

japanrocks said:

No, when you read the Billboard top 100 and Soulja Boy is in the r&b rhythmic soul charts..YOU KNOW something is wrong.

I remember the days ...maybe even 10 years ago when rap and hip hop had its own chart..now it is in the rhythm and blues category!!!!?? What is going on here?


And don't talk about Vain. He got every right to loathe...yes we know hip hop has basically taken over unfortunatley, but that doesnt mean everybody agrees and likes it. Why do you think this topic exsists?

I am embarassed to even say i listen to rap because of the idiots that are the most popular right now. The common radio listener knows nothing abotu Q-Tip or Common's latest releases...they think T-Pain, Akon and Lil Wayne... I HATE THOSE ARTISTS. People always ask me if I like them, and when I cringe they are baffled.....is it because Im black i dont know but I know that the rap music now is ....dead and gone. Hip Hop Is Dead...Nas said it best. WHy do you think he put that record out? We / Vain arent the only ones questioning it.

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Cinnie said:

phunkdaddy said:

"The Bridge" by MC Shan, produced by Marley Marl who made the transition from drum machine/synth beats of the early/mid 1980s to sample-constructed beats.

phunkdaddy said:

Generally people acknowledge hip hop's golden age to be 1987-1994 which is when the MOST sampling was present in the music's production, whereas the org's main preference seems to be grooves made from synths and pre-sampler drum machines, ie. "Basketball"

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phunkdaddy said:

I used to love that corny song. I got the 45. I agree "The Message" / Sugar Hill era is were I think the org's general preference in rap music.

paisleypark4 said:

..interesting

SirPsycho said:

_Hey Sahril, thanks for the mix ! I really like it .

KoolEaze said:

you're very welcome...i'm glad you enjoyed it!

right.

Yep. And it won't be the last time either. It still dominates doesn't it? I'm still breathing ain't I? Like I said, it won't be the last time either.



Maybe so, but one genre dominating the R&B world for damn near 20 years is the ultimate broken record.



Get over it, my ass. When did anything ever change by people "getting over it" and sitting back keeping their mouths shut? All I'm asking for is a complete style change. It doesn't even have to be a style that I like. But a natural style change without the hand of monopolized record labels and radio stations manipulating things is not too much to ask.



I'm glad you made that comment. Why is it here to stay? Was big band or swing here to stay? Was the Motown Sound of the 60s? Was the soulful sounds of the early 70s? Was the disco era of the late 70s? Was the funk era of the late 70s/early 80s? Was the house music era of the late 80s/early 90s?

What makes shit hop so much greater than these other styles of music that it deserves to be "here to stay" forever and ever. Do they sing better? No. Do they play better instruments? No. Does it just plain sound better? No. I don't dispute your comment that it's here to stay because I absolute believe it. You are definately telling the truth about that. But I'll tell you why it's here to stay though. Because it is the cheapest form of music to make that can bring in the biggest profit available and the monopolies aren't about to let anything overthrow that formula. Now, if you want to be a damn sucker and fall into their trap (and I'm sure the major record execs are laughing at your ass for being content with such a cheap product), then by all means, be my guest. I, however, have more taste and sense than that.



Don't be so sure of that. I personally may not be able to do anything about it but the death of it is definately possible. Just look what happened to disco. All it took was one famous DJ, a bunch of angry rock fans, and a record burning during a major sporting event to spark that death. The same could be done for shit hop if a major personality like Tom Joyner or Howard Stern had the balls to organize it. I do like the fact that shit hop is starting to enter into country music a little bit. If it ever starts getting bigger to the point that it begins to take over, those country fans would definately be the ones to fight back, especially since a large number of them are racist (like a lot of the previous disco haters were).

Thank you...you cute little devil you.

Not really. A lot of us here came up in the funk era of the early 80s. A lot of the rap during that era reflected that era. A lot of the rap, well hell basically all of it, was basically funk itself with spoken lyrics rather than sung lyrics. Most of the songs had the same type drums or drum machines that the funk musicians were using. The songs had bass lines. Most of them were dance records.

And I remember a lot of the rappers of the late 80s complaining that R&B stations would not play their music on the air. Well, a lot of that underground stuff during the late 80s was stripped down, sample heavy, and midtempo which later started sounding even worse and came above ground and took over in the 1990s. But while those rappers in the late 80s were complaining though, groups like Egyptian Lover, LA Dream Team, Whistle, Pretty Tony and Freestyle, were all over the R&B airwaves. Hell, I can see why. Those were actually songs rather than just a slow beat and sample with some talking over it. Yeah, rap got played over the air but only the rap that could compete with funk. It's when the little white boys (who never liked funk or R&B to begin with) got into rap (which was that slow and dull shit) that rap started growing to the point of taking over everything.
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