bboy87 said:

Make sure you get my zip code right. 55317

bboy87 said:

I just realized you got that from the KOPD.

Hip-Hop has become a product as Disco did in the late 70's. Yeah it was fun for awhile, but now it's so boring. The other day i saw that Burger king commercial with with Baby got Back

-Evey (Black) artist is either Hip-Hop or RnB not true but this what everyone thinks.

For example Santogold said people were shock she said she didn't like RnB and she said it was racist to say she was that or hip-hop. The Hip-Hop clan as I like to call them went on saying oh she thinks she to good for
hip hop, Fuck hipster, Other kelis.

I mean really has this genre become somewhat of a blackness trait.

And other thing Jay-z thinks he is the king of music that has to help everyground artist with his damn verses M.i.a, Amy, Santogold. Kanye too. When a new hot artist thats not even Hip-hop to begin with,here comes the Hip-Hop clan remixing and what not.

I'm not a hip-hop hater i luv it but do like other genres too. I don't like feeling trap. I like the freedom of music.

People question what will take over Hip-hop and i say nothing cause as soon as a new sound come the Hip-Hop clan will remix it!!!!!

tamewar said:

That was horrendous. Remember when everyone got mad with HAMMER when he was doing commercials and every other rapper from Ice Cube on down (except Ice T) was dissing the fuck out of him saying he was destroying hip-hop?

Well he at least tried to do them a favor but commercials like that ARE destroying hip-hop's one-time commercial dominance. Hip-hop (great hip-hop, like great dance music/disco) will survive but some will mock it because of what the media thinks it represents.

Timmy84 said:

Very true! Years from now I can just imagine. Beyonce and Alicia keys would look back and say man why did i make them simple songs following trends when i could of been one the best of this generation.

To me an end to a genre is when you completly cross-over. Eminem is now the King of Hip-hop no one is fighting for that title they just hand it to him same with that poser Elvis.
[Edited 5/18/09 20:52pm]

tamewar said:

Haha, but you know the difference is people KNOW the truth about rock 'n' roll, that's why people still love the genre's golden days and Elvis was far from the only "king". Chuck Berry and Little Richard and Fats Domino are our living examples on why.

As for hip-hop? Hip-hop legends seem too complacement to go "HEY WAIT A MINUTE!" But watch in about a decade, Rakim, KRS-One, Melle Mel, Chuck D., Rev. Run and 'em will go "hey Eminem wasn't shit, everything he did, I did, but at least I didn't try to kill anybody in my songs!"

That is if they're not doing that already.

bboy87 said:

(aiight, i told you im a die hard- so you should already know ima go in)

1.) this dude pronounced "dilla" DEE-LAH ....i mean really....

and 2.) i dont know if he (charles) said he was making the whole sonic thing a reigion (ive heard it described as his philosophy), but even if he did...its all obvious shtick and good shtick at that cuz people are buying it hook line and sinker..

still...even as a philosophy its no different than those "star wars/matrix/simpsons philosophy" books- where they find parallels to life

and agian! look what site we're on...you're tellin me if a 20 yr old P was a rapper today he wouldnt be o that SAME bullshit

*ahem*



and where was this argument when jeezy identified himself as the "snowman"? but i guess thats cool in the hood (see: suburbs) cuz the snow implied is cocaine...which we both know is so cool

i think the more interesting thing, is the lengths people go to tear everything he does apart and discredit it "for the sake of hip hop"


if you ask me, its a sign




but on another note...no wonder i cant get any youtube play..i need to get on some super dramatic shit...that shit reminds me of that "keri hilson you aint no beyonce" video

or better yet.....if you loathe hip hop.....who cares what you think?

Vendetta1 said:

i dont know if people like lil wayne "make it hard" for mos, talib, and jean.

mos, talib, and jean, ake it hard on themselves and im fans of all of them (old skool/new skool/ commercial/ underground/indie)


talib himself admits OFTEN he has alot to learn about playing this industry correctly

and even still its more complex than that...

but we've discussed it before and i know your POV (and i imagine mine tires you ) ...so

japanrocks said:

well....i started the thread cuz usually when i address negative comments about hip hop on other threads people tend to disregard any arguments i pose, even if they are valid. so i figured i'd give people a chance to speak their mind and see what they had to say.

Timmy84 said:

Yep I know for a fact Chuck D will be first in line and Spike lee will film it.

Timmy84 said:

I thought Rakim was the king of hip hop already

the title isn't actually King or anything, it's the G.O.A.T

SirPsycho said:

true, true.... and you know the dudes on Okayplayer went in on him just because of the how he pronounced Dilla


have you tried blogs? Send your stuff to the blogsites. That's instant promotion

bboy87 said:

well...i do my own blog of course, but i didnt know how i should send my stuff to blogs...i dont know why they would even care yaknow?

tamewar said:

bboy87 said:

Thanks to LL.

For those who hate rap, there's one less rapper in the world.

But on the other side, there's one less mother's son in the world.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/C...index.html

ernestsewell said:

Dunno who he is but that's a damn shame someone took him out like that.

Timmy84 said:

Damn shame

I don't hate hip hop but I've definitely grown less fond of it over the years.

Of course my #1 turn off is the women in the videos (and that goes for any type of video too, not just rap videos).

#2 is the unoriginality of the videos, which is why I enjoy Kanye's videos so much, at least he TRIES to make them different even if the women are still there (like the gold digger video) it's still inventive or fun to watch. If all rappers put as much effort and originality into their videos like Missy E does, rap would have a lot more respect.

#3 is how they manage to make whole albums all about the same thing : money, cars, scarface, women, hurting women (and men), guns - boring, superficial stuff. Which is why I, again, enjoy Kanye's work and others like OutKast, MIA, Eminem's earlier material and T.I.

#4 is the way rap has become so commercial, it's either a joke or we're expected to take jokers like Soulja Boy seriously. I could handle Nelly being a pop star rapper back in the day, but Soulja Boy? Come on, it's just embarrassing. There's so much rappers could be commentating on today and instead we've got Eminem's 50th parody song and Soulja's latest novelty hit ringtone. UGH!

ernestsewell said:

I've been hip to Dolla since '07....Not a hardcore fan, but I really like one of his tracks, and repeated it often last year. Brotha was nice-looking too, and kinda reminded me of Prince (not musically, but his appearance). Don't know about his lifestyle, but regardless, this is an f'in shame....

Search for "Dolla" here, and the only result U'll find is a thread containing a post I did including him last year: http://prince.org/msg/8/268935. .....

Graycap23 said:

I think you need to check this belief at the door, because you're not being objective. And as for loop-based music, what do you think the blues is? or punk for that matter? Music is repetitive by nature, I find, especially after having just taken a course in the history of American music at school.

My 2-cents: Basically, hip hop is going through the same thing that all other American music forms have gone through - it's becoming derivative of itself. This is inescapable. Again, drawing from my experience in class, all forms of music have their golden age where they are all that can be hoped for, but then you have to add in the shelf life. Swing music had its golden age last less than a decade. The golden age of rock & roll went from 1955-1964, again less than ten years. The golden age of hip hop, I'd say, was 1980-1989.

ernestsewell said:

Ah, thanks.

Now I can place a name to the suck.

Like I said, samples on the whole can be put to good use, but this one is terrible. She just sorta sings over the music, and they don't mesh in any way. It sounds like a bad, amateur mash-up.

Anxiety said:

Just like hip hop, there's all kinds of great country tunes out there. Just don't count on seeing much of it on CMT.

meow85 said:

I'm sure there are, but my ears just won't allow me to like them.

Moonbeam said:

Fair enough.

Sometimes all it takes is exposure to learn to like a genre, sometimes a person never will care for it much. But a personal distaste isn't really the same thing as flat-out saying the entire genre is crap, because that's just not possible.

Me, I'm not a big fan of metal for the most part, but I know a quality metal song when I hear it.

WaterInYourBath said:

Wow, the kid had a very tragic life from the very beginning.I´d never heard of him before but this is some really sad news. It seems that music was his only hope and he got killed right before his big breakthrough that he´s been working on for so many years. May he rest in peace.

for those who utterly loathe hip hop.....who gives a fuck what you think