utopia7 said:

Its a metaphorical bullet and harmlessly cathartic

The Org as imagined by you would be bloody boring

TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said:

the org is already boring to begin with.

baroque said:

oh yeah?? What about THIS:



iS this boring, Pedro?? IS THIS BORING????

TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said:

no sorry for my comment.

baroque said:

oh my gaaaaahhhhh

Definitely Gaga. In an industry filled to the brim with posers, she has eclipsed them all as the biggest fake out there. What's worse, her pretentiousness is not even redeemed with any detectable humour.

She may have actually eclipsed Alicia Keys as the most shameful fraud of the decade. Shameful for what it says about the state of today's music scene.

The way Winehouse is going, she'll probably end up killing herself anyway with her drug addiction. No need to waste it on her.

I'd sell the gun and continue ignoring Gaga, Winehouse and Hilton.

I enjoy Gaga more than Amy.
Paris can die.

moussemaker said:

cinnamongirl24 said:

And I thought she was recovering

Moonbeam said:

Moonbeam, no need to feel sad or bummed about that. Like I said to others before on here: Janet is and was and will always be inspirational to me. I respect that legacy, but for me to say I'm this HUGEOMG fan in the same way I was a few years back -- that would be erroneous and forced on my part because I approach her differently ...and I have a right to do that! Janet fans, no need to feel sad, frustrated or let down by that! I'm not negating her past, but at the same, it's not blinkered admiration and never was. I never approached her like that. If you check the music I listen to and post constantly and consistently [even when I had the old screenname, too] you will see that she was never the sole thing I cared about contrary to what my past screenname or anyone's assumptions lead them to believe ...and, yes, it did become an issue for me here and elsewhere with that name because it took on a life of its own and became a loud proclamation I couldn't refute, or a whipping post to randomly dish grievances about her. Either way, it became a weight and morphed into more of an communal name that represented a group but unwittingly eschewed the agency of the person behind it.

To you, and other Janet fans, I hope you can see that. I am an individual outside of her. I certainly have my own thoughts, if she thinks about something I'm not tied to her opinions and beliefs, but I totally respect what she transmitted to me. That's where the "huge fan" aspect gets murky. Do I have to latch on the every single thing? No. But there is, was and always respect.

Same with GaGa or any other artists, in the end they are vehicles of their own influences. My mileage and fuel on what I take from it is totally my decision and right.

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To Anxiety:

Anxiety said:

Anxiety said:

Yes, there is. Any artist that has scores of fans and garners a following is transmitting something palpable (be it Marilyn Manson, Metallica, Tori Amos, Meshell, Blue Man Group, etc). If it wasn't so, people wouldn't give a darn what they put out. Calvin Harris is inspirational to me. Man Like Me is inspirational. Deadmau5 is inspirational to me, [insert any "What Are You Listening To Now" thread artist here], etc. Many of these acts are inspirational and speak to me in their own ways -- GaGa included.

When I look at that girl I see someone who is locked in. She's someone from my scene, someone who goes to the same clubs I do and MADE IT. That's just as special to me as it is to someone who went dancing at Studio 54 or Paradise Garage or sat in the grass at Woodstock or saw early Nirvana gigs in Seattle before they hit it big. So it's intimate for me.

To shrug off and largely dismiss her as some Hannah Montana subcultural-whateverness not worthy of appreciation or real insight is a waggish riposte. She is doing something that is touching people, irrespective of age, demographics or background. You don't have to be part of her generation to "get it" or to sit at the table to fairly criticize it. GaGa's breakout success right now, if anything, should be noted with the current state of the music industry and the lack of sales its getting. She is doing something worth examining if she can move units in an era where her base can pretty much get her product for free. Plus, manage to come out in less than a year and have Madonna + Cyndi take notice; Kid Cudi/Kanye making an answer records. This type of push alone is definitely worthy of some serious music and pop cultural examining for anyone, regardless of whether they like her or not, to understand this era [and if it came off earlier as some "generational thing" not worthy of inspection from people who appreciate pop culture, that was totally not the message I was trying to get across in any way].

Madonna told Dick Clark she wanted "to rule the world" -- well, 20+ years on there's an insatiability to that statement that is so evident. GaGa wants simply "The Fame" -- and she achieved that, but like she said in an interview about her status as an icon, "make [her] earn it."

Lots of artists have cults of personality attached to their followings or they wouldn't have a fanbase. What GaGa is doing with "The Fame" and relaying to her fans is that hey "You can take it, whatever it is, work towards realizing your dreams" which has been her mantra, something she says in her interviews, in shows, and is partially the basis behind her album concept. Her music, her presence, she is transmitting that when I see the girl. I'm feeling what she's transmitting. It's the same thing that so many other cults of personality or influence are doing.

Even P.Diddy has something similiar and that man is going on 20+years in the game. He's also using his own model.


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hilton

Mara said:

Sorry! I didn't mean to imply that you should be forced to stay a big fan of Janet or anything! I just really loved your posts about her (particularly the Control 20th anniversary thread, which I hope is followed by one for RN this year!), and your comment made me feel that you didn't feel the same way about any of her music anymore, and that made me a little sad. Perhaps it's because Janet gets so much flack around here, and to see your admiration of her was wonderful! I totally respect your musical taste and know that you have a huge variety of interests. You don't owe anyone anything, and your individuality really shines through in your posts.

Also, I never thought that someone who was a huge fan of an artist was automatically affiliated with all of that artist's beliefs, etc. I could always see that you had a strong sense of "self", and that's awesome. It doesn't make you or anyone else less of a fan, however, to not be a virtual mirror of the artists you admire.

TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said:

She's not Jewish. She's from an Italian family and I love her.



She's got oodles of talent.

midnightmover said:

Waitaminute!!! No one plays piano like Alicia. And no one rocks with John Mayer like she does either!!! Surely that proves she isn't a fraud!!! She's a ... she's a prodigy!!!

TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said:

OH PLEASE .....YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW WE POSTED ALL THESE YEARS ....and I know what a "metaphorical bullet" is the POINT is and this is not geared toward the author of the thread(or you). THE ORG is fun yes but can get way out of control before someone decides to reign in a particular thread spiraling to hell.

You don't know how I post or me for that particular matter so don't throw around how the org would be in my eyes...I give my opinion in a PUBLIC forum and post on threads when I feel the need to do so. Further more I quoted the person who raised their brow at the thread to begin with.
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baroque said:

bboy87 said:

ThreadBare said:

You're on the org, dahling

CalhounSq said:

Out of those three, I'd have to go with Hilton just because something needs to stop her D.F.A, media-whoring ass with the quickness.

Fun Trivia Fact: Paris went to the same high school as Lady GaGa...except Paris never actually graduated from high school. Fucktard.

I get Lady GaGa, but I don't get why she's soo popular because her act has been done already. She's far from being original and interesting to me, but she actually writes her music and can play instruments unlike some of the other mediocre talented artists that are also big at the moment. After listening to half of the popular drivel that plays in heavy rotation on the radio nowadays, it's become pretty obvious to me that you don't have to have any hardcore talent to make it in the music business anymore, so I expect an artist to be outstanding before I praise them...'outstanding' meaning they write, produce, compose, play the majority of their instruments, and have great vocals. I'm paying for the music, not the image.

Winehouse, as much as I don't like how she tends to glorify drug abuse, actually has talent. I don't like Crackhouse the person, but will say that her "Back To Black" album is outstanding.

Originally, I would have said Britney, but now that she has kids and seems to be the only real breadwinner in that family, I have to exclude her for their sake's. She's keeping food on the table for her sons and her ex-husband who looks like he's not going to starve anytime soon.



That muthafucka went from K-Fed to Well-Fed for real.

ThreadBare said:

Since neither of those statements are true, how can they "prove" anything?

midnightmover said:

I remember reading that Stevie Wonder had a big hand in the making of her debut album, so obviously he's capable of playing piano like her, if not 10 times better. John Mayer's voice is soo soothing that it could probably make anyone dueting with him sound good IMO. His album 'Continuum' is phenomenal.