nd33 said:

I like this kid. She totally.gets.the.joke.

IstenSzek said:

I guess it's the wrong ass idea some people have that mainstream = bad

nd33 said:

Gawd, she's so fantastic

I just love her dramatic versions of songs and her teacup !

Many, many, many people can play a bastid piano. I can, and guitar, and organ. It doesn't make you worthy of attention or "talented".

TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said:

And few people can understand that just because you don't LIKE something it doesn't make it bad.
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[Edited 5/15/09 12:55pm]

TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said:

OK, we get it that you don't get it.
Maybe you should take your hate & negative energy, wrap it up in a nice little parcel and mail it to yourself on your birthday

Peace!

nd33 said:

just a minute - last time I checked this was my thread about blasting either Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse or Paris Hilton

your peaceful sentiments have no place here nd33

TitWankSymphonyInGMINOR said:

You some crazy cat! I still say Gaga would own your ass on the piano any day!

IstenSzek said:

True.

Prince started oput as a disco kid, then turned into a Hendrix, JB, Little Richard, Smokie Robinson, Al Green, Jagger, and Bowie composite clone..


But now, it's copy of copy..

This GaGa reminds me more of Bette Midler's act..

Techno + Holla Back Girl Gwen + Madonna + Bette Midler..Lauper?

paisleypark4 said:

And as bad as "Single Ladies" is, "Diva" is one sextillion times worse.

I forgot to mention Fergie. I wouldn't mind if someone melted the rest of her face off.

I do not understand Lady Gargoyle.

I do not understand her, I do not understand her, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HER!!!

I mean, okay, I get the whole thing with the costumes and the funny name and the dancey aerobics class music. She has a fun little persona going, it's kind of a clubby thing but at the same time it's Top 40 friendly. Blah Blah Blah. (Lady BlahBlah!)

But, like...what's her deal? Okay, so she dresses up like Daryl Hannah in Blade Runner and she sings europop dance music. Is that all there is? Is there a juicy nugget of Lady Gaga-ness that I'm missing out on? Because I kinda think she's one of those Disneyworld animatronic President robots in drag. Does she have a personality? Is she funny? Does she speak?

I think she is creepy, and therefore I do not like her. I don't think I'd want to shoot her because I don't think it would do any good.

Lady CaCa gots to go!
I find it quite funny how she does renditions of her shitty music on the piano as if they're masterpieces the sheep public are buying into this image but I'm sure she'll be a bore a few years down the road

P.S.- She's just as interesting as watching paint dry with this image she created I expected her to be this eccentric recluse. She's a fraud!

Lady GaGa is a product of the millennial New York club scene. She's more personable and less removed for me since I live in New York and when I look at her, I'm looking at my scene. She's my Madonna just like what Madonna was to teens and 20somethings in the early 80s with her first album "Borderline," "Lucky Star". She represented New York at that time and people definitely hated her too because she was DANCE POP music. Whenever I look back at this time, I will look at GaGa. Just like old club heads will look back on Madonna in reference to NYC in the early 80s. She reminds me of [and is JUST LIKE] the kids I go dancing with in Manhattan on any given night in the Lower East Side or Alphabet City or wherever. So she's not that removed or not able to be understood to me. She listened to the same indie stuff, retro stuff, mashups, whatever, I listen to when I go out in NY.

I was listening to her before she became "OMGLADYGAGAMTVPOKERFACE," [my org topics on her last summer got no response hardly, but I can understand[!] Hell, I used to be a huge Janet fan, so I can totally see her appeal and reach. She used to perform at local clubs and all that. She's just POP now, so yeah, it is what it is. She was just some regional thing last summer amongst party kids. I knew she had a promotional push, but I had NO idea she was going to become the international popstar she is today.

Mara said:

i get what you're saying, though i think with madonna, at least when she made her big crossover breakthrough whateveryouwannacallit, you kinda got an idea of her appeal beyond just being a fluffy pop tartlett. madonna was funny and she knew how made a spectacle of herself. she did things on tv performances that made people talk around the water cooler the next day, and she said things in interviews that made people laugh out loud and, oh my god, even sometimes THINK.

so there was something going on with madonna for everyone. you didn't have to be hanging out with keith haring at danceteria to understand madge's appeal. that was some bonus cred for her.

i get that lady gaga is emblematic of a particular club scene, but i think she's making a crossover by being as non-descript and vague as she can be (persona-wise, i guess). and okay, maybe she's pulling a warhol and trying to be all obtuse and aloof, but shit...even warhol at his most dry was fun to watch and listen to.

If you come here to New York, you will hear "Just Dance" in Brooklyn, mixed up in a set at a loft party, you will hear "Poker Face" at a hip hop party or black clubs in Harlem or Latin clubs in Washington Heights. You'll hear her stuff at downtown parties. At oh-so-chic parties. At a dive bar in the East Village. You'll see gay kids dancing to her in Hells Kitchen next to Beyonce, you'll hear her at hipster parties mixed with some A-Trak or Theolophius London, you'll hear her everywhere in New York. She just has reach like that.

Mara said:

but is it just the music? is there any kind of cult of personality connected to her that people enjoy, or is "lady gaga" more of a brand name that happened to get hip in the NYC club scene?

Mara said:

I totally get it.

I'm a bit bummed by the "used to be" in reference to your Janet fandom, though.

Anxiety said:

In my opinion, GaGa knows how to make a spectacle of herself as well. And GaGa has a personality. When she talks she has her own style and vibe. She's an aloof, crazy, over-the-top personality. When you see her live you really get that more than just watching some MTV-stylized, devoid video. Her label pumped money into her early on. I said this in another thread, but with Madonna it took a longer time for her to reach her critical mass with that first record and for it to finally impact MTV. The internet and youtube, makes stars happen much more faster than it did in the early 80s. So GaGa naturally blew up faster. To say she is vague and has no real spark to her is to just simply not be in tune to the generation she's in. When I listen to her album or read her interviews in magazines there's a conversation there, I've been there in the Lower East Side, do we have to feel it on the song. I do! I mean, it's not like bam, bam obvious like Madonna breakdancing with NYC street kids in the Borderline video or filming Everybody at Danceteria with real live club kids. But she is definitely part of an era and scene and she makes a lot of references to that fact when I hear her album, listen to her lyrics and hear her talk in interviews.

I actually found out about her dually through hearing her in dance clubs in New York, but also because she is friends with Space Cowboy who I was listening to 2 years before GaGa came out. The type of music I listen to is pretty foreign and not that easy to pick up on the org, but if you club in New York you'll see stuff like I post on here in NYC clubs daily. So for me to listen to her, it's not like I'm jumping on a bandwagon. I actually like the sound she has, and it's very current, modern sounding dance pop music.

The people in her entourage like Lady Starlight actually throw dance parties down here. They're real people. Lady Starlight throws a heavymetal/80s and mashup party downtown. Her tour dancers are New York dancers.

Gaga used to hit up Hiro, Marquee all the local clubs around here. Nobody was screaming for her like that last year. We liked her song, but it wasn't like OMGGG when she'd take the stage or whatever. Neither was it like that for Madonna in 82/83 because they were building their names regionally. When she first came out people didn't respond really at all to her live shows 'cause she was nobody. Only when they played 'Just Dance' and 'Poker Face' at parties last year was when people were taking notice. I didn't notice the buzz really until the end of last summer when Samantha Ronson first DJ'd Just Dance @ a party in Atlantic City. That's when I knew it was getting crazy.

As far as Madonna, a lot of people are really speaking of her impact now with about 20+ years of distance. Even if Madonna didn't hang around and become the global/pop cultural icon she is today, I would still say she was an influence and personality that represented a scene and an era in New York.

IF I HEAR PUH-PUH-PUH POKER FACE IN THE SUPERMARKET ONE... MORE.... TIME

Mara said:

MARA GOOD POST !!!

Mara said:

very cool perspective.

so basically, it's a generational thing. the ship where i'd be able to appreciate lady gaga has sailed. it's like hannah montana. if i were an 11 year old girl, i'd probably like her or understand why other girls liked her. but i'm not. so

Anxiety said:

Anxiety said:

Yes, there is. Any artist that has scores of fans and garners a following is transmitting something palpable (be it Marilyn Manson, Metallica, Tori Amos, Meshell, Blue Man Group, etc). If it wasn't so, people wouldn't give a darn what they put out. Calvin Harris is inspirational to me. Man Like Me is inspirational. Deadmau5 is inspirational to me, [insert any "What Are You Listening To Now" thread artist here], etc. Many of these acts are inspirational and speak to me in their own ways -- GaGa included.

When I look at that girl I see someone who is locked in. She's someone from my scene, someone who goes to the same clubs I do and MADE IT. That's just as special to me as it is to someone who went dancing at Studio 54 or Paradise Garage or sat in the grass at Woodstock or saw early Nirvana gigs in Seattle before they hit it big. So it's intimate for me.

To shrug off and largely dismiss her as some Hannah Montana subcultural-whateverness not worthy of appreciation or real insight is a waggish riposte. She is doing something that is touching people, irrespective of age, demographics or background. You don't have to be part of her generation to "get it" or to sit at the table to fairly criticize it. GaGa's breakout success right now, if anything, should be noted with the current state of the music industry and the lack of sales its getting. She is doing something worth examining if she can move units in an era where her base can pretty much get her product for free. Plus, manage to come out in less than a year and have Madonna + Cyndi take notice; Kid Cudi/Kanye making an answer records. This type of push alone is definitely worthy of some serious music and pop cultural examining for anyone, regardless of whether they like her or not, to understand this era [and if it came off earlier as some "generational thing" not worthy of inspection from people who appreciate pop culture, that was totally not the message I was trying to get across in any way].

Madonna told Dick Clark she wanted "to rule the world" -- well, 20+ years on there's an insatiability to that statement that is so evident. GaGa wants simply "The Fame" -- and she achieved that, but like she said in an interview about her status as an icon, "make [her] earn it."

Lots of artists have cults of personality attached to their followings or they wouldn't have a fanbase. What GaGa is doing with "The Fame" and relaying to her fans is that hey "You can take it, whatever it is, work towards realizing your dreams" which has been her mantra, something she says in her interviews, in shows, and is partially the basis behind her album concept. Her music, her presence, she is transmitting that when I see the girl. I'm feeling what she's transmitting. It's the same thing that so many other cults of personality or influence are doing.

Even P.Diddy has something similiar and that man is going on 20+years in the game. He's also using his own model.


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Anxiety said:

Lookin for some fun?


I should say, that I haven't even heard her album and I didn't become a fan until I started seeing her performances and interviews on youtube. She was just gushing with talent & personality

I thought she was another puppet before I looked further.
I was wrong. And I give credit where credits due!

this shit here is not even funny. I don't like those three singers. But honestly, to say that your willing to put lead in them. Seems rather lunatic, me thinks someone needs to be on their meds more.

baroque said:

I think the title of the thread should have been thought through more.... joke or not hypothetical or not this should be for the moderators to stop in it's tracks


disrespect and freedom of speech gets blurred somehow.

Some of y'all take shit way too seriously at the org - lighten up, jesus...

uPtoWnNY said:

P&R here we come.

Though I am not a fan of neither, I thought that Paris' fifteen minutes was up a long time ago. Well, I guess being famous for just lying on your back works sometimes.