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PrintableTD3 said: Reality check. It's called demographics.
 PurpleCharm said: With the internet, you can see and know everything about your favorite artist up to the minute. It was not like that when the veterans were building their fanbases.
BlaqueKnight said: the current generation of music listeners are accustomed to getting their entertainment for free. | |
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Do Be-Yawn-Ce and her daddy have their heads buried in the sand? Don't they know we are in a recession? People are struggling to stay in their homes and keep food on the table. Why on earth would they want to spend $200 to watch her running around on the stage, lip-synching? Can't you just see someone asking themselves, "Well, let's see. Are we going to spend $200 to see her or would we rather eat this month?" Decisions, decisions!  "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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kitbradley said: Do Be-Yawn-Ce and her daddy have their heads buried in the sand? Don't they know we are in a recession? People are struggling to stay in their homes and keep food on the table. Why on earth would they want to spend $200 to watch her running around on the stage, lip-synching? Can't you just see someone asking themselves, "Well, let's see. Are we going to spend $200 to see her or would we rather eat this month?" Decisions, decisions!
She announced on the Today Show that she would be doing "cheap seats" at all of her concerts to make sure that as many people as possible who wanted to see her could afford to. I think she said something about $20 tickets. Honestly, the same can be said for Janet, Madonna and a lot of other artists as well. Even Michael. I can accept lip-syncing to a degree if it makes the show greater. You can't lip-sync a whole show and expect people to respect you but I know Janet lip-synced parts of her Velvet Rope tour and that was one of my favorite concert experiences to date - and I have seen a LOT of shows. We know Bey's not fraud singer. I'm sure she will at least TRY o put on a decent shhow. Times are just hard all around right now for entertainers and a lot of others as well. [Edited 4/26/09 9:19am] | |
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Timmy84 said: StarCat said:
Jay-Z looks like 70. | |
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graecophilos said: Timmy84 said: Jay-Z looks like 70. He turns 40 this year. | |
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Timmy84 said: report345 said: Beyonce should end up doing fine. She'll make a profit. But you have to wonder why so many of these artists sell so many albums but can't fill venues.
It's a puzzle. Those who can't sell albums anymore will sell out a concert ticket, those who can have problems filling in nosebleed sections. You know its actually a combo of things, the economy is very BACKSEAT in this scenario, thats everyones excuse now for everything. Its like how everyone blamed everything on 9-11 for years. Beyonce is everywhere and its like Eddie Murphy said in the 80's about why he never did interviews and commercials he said "If people can see you everywhere 24/7 365 days a year, than why would they thrown down money to see you in a theater" and this applies to Beyonce more than anyone. Remember Eddie said this in 1985, this is when there was no internet, no media coverage like today, no TMZ no Perez Hilton, you didnt have "endorsements" up the ass to make your money. Now the reason why people still put down money for u2, elton, billy joel(who all dropped ticket prices) is the fact that they arent everywhere, and also they are more interesting LIVE, they have more to offer musically, they are interesing. Sure Beyonce can sing and i give her props for her live shows, BUT if i go see her once im never going again for the most part, or ive seen her on so many shows, that why bother, i know what im going to get and the music is far from interesting. I mean Beyonce and Alicia together couldnt sell out MSG a few years back on their triple threat tour or whatever it was called, so that tells you something. Usher's tour for Confesssions didnt sell out in alot of Venues, despite this album selling close to 8 million. Now the other artists that still sell out shows, bands like Chicago,EWF,Hall and Oates and dont have new albums or sell millions anymore, they can still put ASSES in seats because they are smart about it, they made music that meant something, that had a lasting value with people and honestly they are just better tallented musicians, i mean its really about that in the end. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Some artists just need to face reality and scale back their shows.Beyonce should find a "hot" opening act and play smaller venues.Robin Thicke and Jennifer Hudson are on tour together and they aren't playing huge arenas.Their tour is doing just fine.This is what Beyonce may need to do,but I'm sure that her ego won't allow it. | |
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SoulAlive said: Some artists just need to face reality and scale back their shows.Beyonce should find a "hot" opening act and play smaller venues.Robin Thicke and Jennifer Hudson are on tour together and they aren't playing huge arenas.Their tour is doing just fine.This is what Beyonce may need to do,but I'm sure that her ego won't allow it.
Will not help one bit, you could put Jennifer and Robin on Beyonce's bill and the shows would still not sell out. Certain artists just need to accept reality, and get off this "its the economy shit", Beyonce was not selling out shows before in alot of Venues, and so were tons of others selling millions, LIL WAYNE the years biggest seller couldnt sell out shows, lets jump off this economy crap and ask why cant you sell? You are not an arena act, that is limited to u2,Jovi and the stones, who can sell out shows good or bad economy, and they also lowered tickets big time, even more than Beyonce did. beyonce needs to just take a reality check, as do Kanye West, and get your ass into a theater something that holds about 2500 and do a tour like that, scale it down, fire these bullshit crews and 1900 dancers and do a show, if you can. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: fire these bullshit crews and 1900 dancers and do a show, if you can.
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lastdecember said: Beyonce is everywhere and its like Eddie Murphy said in the 80's about why he never did interviews and commercials he said "If people can see you everywhere 24/7 365 days a year, than why would they thrown down money to see you in a theater" and this applies to Beyonce more than anyone. Remember Eddie said this in 1985, this is when there was no internet, no media coverage like today, no TMZ no Perez Hilton, you didnt have "endorsements" up the ass to make your money.
I think this explanation fits too in Bey's case. | |
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Cinnie said: lastdecember said: Beyonce is everywhere and its like Eddie Murphy said in the 80's about why he never did interviews and commercials he said "If people can see you everywhere 24/7 365 days a year, than why would they thrown down money to see you in a theater" and this applies to Beyonce more than anyone. Remember Eddie said this in 1985, this is when there was no internet, no media coverage like today, no TMZ no Perez Hilton, you didnt have "endorsements" up the ass to make your money.
I think this explanation fits too in Bey's case. Yeah more so than Eddie, eddie was saying it to explain why he didnt do commercials, Beyonce does commercials,movies,has fashion lines,is coming out with a lingerie line,is on the cover of tons of magazines,she has a revlon contract, and to me her side project, or should i say "the fries in her meal" is Music,and its that way with most of the stars of today. Look at alot of the top money music earners, people like 50 cent, Beyonce,Jessica Simpson,Hilary Duff,Kanye Jay etc....make almost ALL their money on endorsements, and products, not music. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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SoulAlive said: Moonbeam said:  Moonbeam's gonna start an on-line petition to get Beyonce to bring her tour down under He wants a Beyonce/Justin Timberlake show!Only if I can bring a whole vat of tomatoes to chuck at them so that their confidence is shaken and they retire. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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I see June 21st is sold out. It must be those outrageous packages not being sold.
maybe closer to the date more will be released. My thing is I know more than a decade has passed, Is Beyonce in the realm of MJ-Prince-Cher- U2 to ask these ticket prices? Even The Roots charged 10.00 for 2 hours included special jam session guests. I don't keep up with her that much, I truly respect her level of performing.I just don't think shes worth 1000.00 dollars. If I came across a ticket for 25.00-35.00 I'd be there her band alone is worth it. |
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PurpleCharm said: Why pay to see her live when you can watch a billion of her videos on youtube???
With the internet, you can see and know everything about your favorite artist up to the minute. It's a whole different feeling watching it on a screen and actually BEING there. I loved Beyonce's last show when I went to see it live but hated the DVD. | |
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kitbradley said: Do Be-Yawn-Ce and her daddy have their heads buried in the sand? Don't they know we are in a recession? People are struggling to stay in their homes and keep food on the table. Why on earth would they want to spend $200 to watch her running around on the stage, lip-synching? Can't you just see someone asking themselves, "Well, let's see. Are we going to spend $200 to see her or would we rather eat this month?" Decisions, decisions!
Beyonce doesn't lip sync. She sung beautifully for three hours when I saw her in 2007. | |
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utopia7 said: I see June 21st is sold out. It must be those outrageous packages not being sold.
maybe closer to the date more will be released. My thing is I know more than a decade has passed, Is Beyonce in the realm of MJ-Prince-Cher- U2 to ask these ticket prices? Even The Roots charged 10.00 for 2 hours included special jam session guests. I don't keep up with her that much, I truly respect her level of performing.I just don't think shes worth 1000.00 dollars. If I came across a ticket for 25.00-35.00 I'd be there her band alone is worth it. Not quite. | |
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Timmy84 said: report345 said: Beyonce should end up doing fine. She'll make a profit. But you have to wonder why so many of these artists sell so many albums but can't fill venues.
It's a puzzle. Those who can't sell albums anymore will sell out a concert ticket, those who can have problems filling in nosebleed sections. What does that say about how both consumers and the industry that feeds the beast? | |
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luckybullet said: Timmy84 said: It's a puzzle. Those who can't sell albums anymore will sell out a concert ticket, those who can have problems filling in nosebleed sections. What does that say about how both consumers and the industry that feeds the beast? That no matter what the younger "artists" do, older artists are still the ones to put people in SEATS. | |
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lastdecember said: SoulAlive said: Some artists just need to face reality and scale back their shows.Beyonce should find a "hot" opening act and play smaller venues.Robin Thicke and Jennifer Hudson are on tour together and they aren't playing huge arenas.Their tour is doing just fine.This is what Beyonce may need to do,but I'm sure that her ego won't allow it.
Will not help one bit, you could put Jennifer and Robin on Beyonce's bill and the shows would still not sell out. Certain artists just need to accept reality, and get off this "its the economy shit", Beyonce was not selling out shows before in alot of Venues, and so were tons of others selling millions, LIL WAYNE the years biggest seller couldnt sell out shows, lets jump off this economy crap and ask why cant you sell? You are not an arena act, that is limited to u2,Jovi and the stones, who can sell out shows good or bad economy, and they also lowered tickets big time, even more than Beyonce did. beyonce needs to just take a reality check, as do Kanye West, and get your ass into a theater something that holds about 2500 and do a tour like that, scale it down, fire these bullshit crews and 1900 dancers and do a show, if you can. If Beyonce was playing smaller venues,she would have no trouble selling out her shows.Like you said,many of today's artists are not "arena acts".No problem,scale the show back and schedule your shows in smaller places like Radio City Music Hall.Many of these artists have huge egos.They think that because their CD reached Number One,they can play multiple nights at large arenas or stadiums.Not gonna happen. | |
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SoulAlive said: lastdecember said: Will not help one bit, you could put Jennifer and Robin on Beyonce's bill and the shows would still not sell out. Certain artists just need to accept reality, and get off this "its the economy shit", Beyonce was not selling out shows before in alot of Venues, and so were tons of others selling millions, LIL WAYNE the years biggest seller couldnt sell out shows, lets jump off this economy crap and ask why cant you sell? You are not an arena act, that is limited to u2,Jovi and the stones, who can sell out shows good or bad economy, and they also lowered tickets big time, even more than Beyonce did. beyonce needs to just take a reality check, as do Kanye West, and get your ass into a theater something that holds about 2500 and do a tour like that, scale it down, fire these bullshit crews and 1900 dancers and do a show, if you can. If Beyonce was playing smaller venues,she would have no trouble selling out her shows.Like you said,many of today's artists are not "arena acts".No problem,scale the show back and schedule your shows in smaller places like Radio City Music Hall.Many of these artists have huge egos.They think that because their CD reached Number One,they can play multiple nights at large arenas or stadiums.Not gonna happen. To be fair, Beyonce achieved quite a bit more than that... | |
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purplesweat said: SoulAlive said: If Beyonce was playing smaller venues,she would have no trouble selling out her shows.Like you said,many of today's artists are not "arena acts".No problem,scale the show back and schedule your shows in smaller places like Radio City Music Hall.Many of these artists have huge egos.They think that because their CD reached Number One,they can play multiple nights at large arenas or stadiums.Not gonna happen. To be fair, Beyonce achieved quite a bit more than that... Oh,she's had alot of success,no doubt.It still doesn't mean that she is an "arena act",able to sellout multiple nights at arenas and stadiums.She ain't there yet. | |
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PurpleCharm said: Why pay to see her live when you can watch a billion of her videos on youtube???
With the internet, you can see and know everything about your favorite artist up to the minute. It was not like that when the veterans were building their fanbases. It really was a treat for me to see my favorite artists live back in the day, as I was likely to only see them perform on TV a handful of times during the year. There was no internet for me to run to if I wanted to see a missed TV performance or if I wanted to watch a performance again. There are positives and negatives to the internet revolution as it relates to the music industry I agree.In the Youtube generation,concerts aren't the exclusive "event" that they used to be.Clips from Beyonce's entire show will soon be all over the net.And of course,she will eventually release it all on DVD anyway.I don't think today's kids truly value a concert,the way some of us older folks did (pre-Internet). | |
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SoulAlive said: purplesweat said: To be fair, Beyonce achieved quite a bit more than that... Oh,she's had alot of success,no doubt.It still doesn't mean that she is an "arena act",able to sellout multiple nights at arenas and stadiums.She ain't there yet. Pretty sure she's sold out in the past, its just NOW with the economy and with her last big tour only two years ago, it's easy to see why it's not selling as well as previously. The arena I went to in 2007 was most definitely sold out. | |
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report345 said: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7494-LA-Gossip-Examiner~y2009m4d25-Beyonce-Tickets-for-new-tour-moving-slower-than-expected
I have nothing against Beyonce but she seems like a hood ornament belonging to her daddy. The article isnt there anymore. Matthew Knowles strikes again?  MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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Timmy84 said: SoulAlive said: It's sorta embarassing to be a major star and unable to sellout multiple shows in the big cities.It looks like Beyonce is gonna be playing alot of one-nighters on this tour.If she had scheduled a few stadium shows,the shows would have been cancelled due to lack of sales.
Right, one nighters would've been better but see Mathew didn't train her how to do that. She's gonna be poop by the fifth one-nighter. LEGENDS can still do the big tours tho.Man, I saw Springsteen two weeks ago. He is 60, and he'd played Dallas the night before. He was AMAZING. Almost three hours of non-stop high-energy performing. I was thinking about that while I was pushing my 50-year-old body in the gym this morning. Bruce ought to write an exercise book, because somehow he has found the Fountain of Youth! | |
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There are legitimate reasons to clown Beyonce (from her underachieving Sasha Fierce album to the way she has been pushed as the star in the past at the expense of others in the Knowles camp)...But this aint one of them....
I read the article guys...It didn't say anything about her ticket sales tanking...lol...I mean, do you guys think that Beyonce pulled in $80 million on album sales alone last year?....That chick's last tour did pretty damn good, right?... | |
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NaughtyKitty said: report345 said: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-7494-LA-Gossip-Examiner~y2009m4d25-Beyonce-Tickets-for-new-tour-moving-slower-than-expected
I have nothing against Beyonce but she seems like a hood ornament belonging to her daddy. The article isnt there anymore. Matthew Knowles strikes again? LOL | |
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