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Reply #150 posted 05/04/09 8:06am

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Pics of Debarge from the tv shows they have been on.

El on "Facts of Life"

shows they have been on.
Debarge, minus El and Bunny,but with Chico, on "Punky Brewster"







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Reply #151 posted 05/04/09 8:15am

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Here is EL on a show called "Sidekicks" in 87



El on Miami Vice

El on Facts of Life



DEbarge on "Punky Brewster'


Chico on Moesha

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Reply #152 posted 05/04/09 8:29am

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So much to address-
Firstly, in 86, Tommmy did time for coke charges and then I think he did time in 90 for trying to sell fake coke to a cop. He lives in LA now.He and his wife have also written a book about his life called "There'll Never Be". Not sure when that will be out.

Bobby, out of all the Debarges, took the abuse that he recieved the worst-he also suffered the most abuse from his father. His drug habit imperiled any hopes he had for a successful career. Also, as Jermaine Jackson said, people started whispering in his ear about how he didn't need the other members of Switch, that he could go solo. Wrong. Also, Switch was never really going to make it into the 80s. I think they were really a 2nd tier group-on par with Slave and they just didn't have that extra something to maintain an 80s career.

I don't think Bobby hollers, he just tends to hit high notes-I don't think his lower register is that great. Then again, drugs took a huge toll on his voice-contrast that to El, who despite his own prodigious drug use, can still SANG.

It has been surmised that El and Bobby had a falling out either over Bobby's prison time or his drug habit. There could also have been jealousy over El's success. Either way, as far as I know, El was the only sibling not to have been a part of Bobby's last recording.

There supposedly was material Bobby recorded for a solo LP on Motown. That material has long been assumed to have been lost.

No matter what I or anyone thinks of Bobby's talent, his siblings thought he was the most talented of them all and Berry Gordy called Bobby the most talented artist "he had ever signed."
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Reply #153 posted 05/04/09 8:44am

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So much to address-
Firstly, in 86, Tommmy did time for coke charges and then I think he did time in 90 for trying to sell fake coke to a cop. He lives in LA now.He and his wife have also written a book about his life called "There'll Never Be". Not sure when that will be out.

Bobby, out of all the Debarges, took the abuse that he recieved the worst-he also suffered the most abuse from his father. His drug habit imperiled any hopes he had for a successful career. Also, as Jermaine Jackson said, people started whispering in his ear about how he didn't need the other members of Switch, that he could go solo. Wrong. Also, Switch was never really going to make it into the 80s. I think they were really a 2nd tier group-on par with Slave and they just didn't have that extra something to maintain an 80s career.

I don't think Bobby hollers, he just tends to hit high notes-I don't think his lower register is that great. Then again, drugs took a huge toll on his voice-contrast that to El, who despite his own prodigious drug use, can still SANG.

It has been surmised that El and Bobby had a falling out either over Bobby's prison time or his drug habit. There could also have been jealousy over El's success. Either way, as far as I know, El was the only sibling not to have been a part of Bobby's last recording.

There supposedly was material Bobby recorded for a solo LP on Motown. That material has long been assumed to have been lost.

No matter what I or anyone thinks of Bobby's talent, his siblings thought he was the most talented of them all and Berry Gordy called Bobby the most talented artist "he had ever signed."
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Reply #154 posted 05/04/09 8:50am

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I asked my parents and others around that earaabout Switch and how popular they were. My parents are East Coast and my dad says they were popular, my mom says middling. My hairdresser is from LA and she says out here, Switch was banging.

I do think Bobby thought he was more popular than he was, but according to Jermaine Jackson on Unsung, a lot of people were whispering in his ear, turning his head.

El, drugs or no drugs, could have been huge. It was a matter of the material.


I remember reading years ago in a issue of "Right On" that Bobby's voice will no longer be the focal point on Switch albums. This is prior to me finding out that he had gone solo. I think this was around the time they released Switch V.There was a supposed recorded album for which I read was shelved (would love to hear it) Later it was announced he was to sign or was signed with Larry Blackmons Atlanta Artist label. But of course nothing ever materialized.

I personally believe Bobby started to smell himself as my mom would say. His mistake was bringing El into the public. Why would motown need to guys that sound alike with the same sir name? El clearly is the better singer [b]out of the two.[/b] Bobby's does alot more hollaring where El is a more of just a straight singer with the ability to do those what I call vocal acrobatics but doesn't have to.

I am told Bobby said in a interview "I have a younger brother who can do what I can do vocally and things that I just can't do.



Surely you jest?[color=darkred][/color]


He couldn't have been feeling himself to much if he said some mess like that![color=blue][/color]
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Reply #155 posted 05/04/09 8:56am

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Chico Concert Dates

Road to Essence Music Fesitval feat. Joe with Guest Chico DeBarge
Jun. 25 - House of Blues – Chicago

Road To Essence Music Festival featuring Joe & Guest Chico DeBarge
Jul. 01 - House of Blues - Houston

Chico DeBarge
Jun. 24 - House of Blues - Cleveland

Road To Essence Musical Festival feat. Joe with guest Chico Debarge
Jun. 20 - House Of Blues - Myrtle Beach

NEW YORK--- B.B. KING BLUES CLUB & GRILL
JOE + Sp. Guest CHICO DeBARGE
Mon. June 15th 2009 - 8PM
WWW.BBKINGBLUES. COM
B.B. King Blues Club & Grill 237 West 42nd Street NY, NY 10036
B.B. KING BOX OFFICE AND INFORMATION: 212-997-4144
TICKETMASTER: (212) 307-7171
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Reply #156 posted 05/04/09 8:20pm

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tonyat said:

daingermouz2020 said:



I remember reading years ago in a issue of "Right On" that Bobby's voice will no longer be the focal point on Switch albums. This is prior to me finding out that he had gone solo. I think this was around the time they released Switch V.There was a supposed recorded album for which I read was shelved (would love to hear it) Later it was announced he was to sign or was signed with Larry Blackmons Atlanta Artist label. But of course nothing ever materialized.

I personally believe Bobby started to smell himself as my mom would say. His mistake was bringing El into the public. Why would motown need to guys that sound alike with the same sir name? El clearly is the better singer [b]out of the two.[/b] Bobby's does alot more hollaring where El is a more of just a straight singer with the ability to do those what I call vocal acrobatics but doesn't have to.

I am told Bobby said in a interview "I have a younger brother who can do what I can do vocally and things that I just can't do.



Surely you jest?[color=darkred][/color]


He couldn't have been feeling himself to much if he said some mess like that![color=blue][/color]


You make a good point but most of the times when we feel we are at the top of our game we they don't mind paying a complement or two to someone else. But when that person proves to be compitition/rival it's usually a diff story hen.
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Reply #157 posted 05/05/09 10:23am

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I think what Bobby said speaks to how highly Bobby thought of El's vocal talents
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Reply #158 posted 05/05/09 2:38pm

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I LOVE THIS THREAD/STICKY/WUTEVA yay! woot! dancing jig
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Reply #159 posted 05/05/09 2:50pm

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I am so glad! I try to get the best pics I can and have the latest and most up to date info on Debarge.
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Reply #160 posted 05/05/09 6:29pm

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Reply #161 posted 05/05/09 6:37pm

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I don't think El's lack of particpation on Bobby's last album is all that sinster. It may have been El had responsibilities to his own career. El's "Heart, Mind & Soul was released in 94 and Bobby's album in Aug of 95. Things probably just overlapped..... Bobby did mentioned all his siblings by name and thank them for their support during the making of his last Cd, "It's Not Over".
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Reply #162 posted 05/05/09 6:38pm

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As you can see by the response on this thread, Debarge is far from forgotten. If they were so mediocre, rappers would not have sampled their tunes. The fact of the matter is, Debarge has had a huge impact on hip hop and rnb. Despite their personal failings, the members of Debarge are prodigiously talented musicians. If you don't care for them, I fail to see why you would come on a thread devoted to them.
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Reply #163 posted 05/05/09 6:40pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

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Reply #164 posted 05/05/09 10:55pm

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Hello.I'm new to this site.I've an Debarge fan since they hit the air waves back in '82 or '83.
I have a question.The picture that you posted of Tommy Debarge and his wife Duckie.Wasn't she the one that was murdered by an serial killer back in the day?Like late '80's or early '90's?
Please keep this thread going.I really enjoy the info on this talanted family.Also I wish I would have kept my Right ON! magazines from back in the day.All those Prince,Michael Jackson,New Edtion and Debarge Posters on my wall and ceiling!!!!! So keep it coming
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Reply #165 posted 05/05/09 11:05pm

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Well here's the thing: Etterlene Debarge, Tommy's mother, says that Duckie was murdered by a serial killer, while Chico said Duckie died due to crack.
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Reply #166 posted 05/05/09 11:17pm

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Well here's the thing: Etterlene Debarge, Tommy's mother, says that Duckie was murdered by a serial killer, while Chico said Duckie died due to crack.


It's curious two people can see an event at such opposite ends of the spectrum. confused
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Reply #167 posted 05/05/09 11:25pm

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I'm sure Bunny would agree.
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Reply #168 posted 05/06/09 4:07pm

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Well here's the thing: Etterlene Debarge, Tommy's mother, says that Duckie was murdered by a serial killer, while Chico said Duckie died due to crack.
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Yes.Thats where I got the info from Mamma Debarge site.Then Chico did an interview with Sister2sister magazine when he first got out of prison and dropped his classic album "Long Time No See",which I still bump today,he said that while in prison a couple of people in his family had died.Like his brother Bobby and his sister-in-law Duckie.He said him and Duckie was really close before he went to prison.He didn't say how she died.He just said that they were real close.
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Reply #169 posted 05/06/09 4:18pm

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In that same article, which I have, Chico does indeed say Duckie died from crack. According to Tommy's now wife,April, Duckie and Tommy were not married at the time of Duckie's death. Etterlene's account of things and those of her children tend to be different.

Also, Bobby died after Chico was out. He even says that in the NPR interview he and Bunny did in November.
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Reply #170 posted 05/06/09 9:33pm

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Script, I don't think I've ever asked you what are your favorite albums of El's (solo career) and Chico's?
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Reply #171 posted 05/06/09 10:19pm

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Hmm-good question. I grew up hearing about Debarge because of my older cousin Reena, who was a huge fan, but Chico was the first time I really paid attention to the family, cause I was in high school when he came out. I don't have a fave solo album of his because I have never listened to any of his cds all the way through.

I don't have a fave El album, simply because I like his stuff with Debarge the most. I have heard "Into the Storm" is great and "Another Chance" is my jam. But like I said, for now, I prefer El's work with his fam.
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Reply #172 posted 05/07/09 4:53am

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Well here's the thing: Etterlene Debarge, Tommy's mother, says that Duckie was murdered by a serial killer, while Chico said Duckie died due to crack.
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If she died due to a serial killer whom is Rumored to be the notorious Alton Coleman. Etterlene Debarge seems to be the ONLY ONE with this knowledge because none of his victims names was Yolonda.

Can anyone confirm the name of this serial killer? What year did this take place? Why does Mama D's recollections always differ so much from those of her kids.
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Reply #173 posted 05/07/09 8:08am

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I think Etterlene has trouble facing facts. For instance in her book, she says Chico never married, when in fact he did. I also am pretty sure that in her book, she never mentions how Bunny was sexually abused by the Debarge dad. And a lot of things that Bunny writes about in her book Etterlene does not mention at all. In fact, Bunny and her mother had a falling out over Bunny's book.

I have no idea when Yolonda died. Tommy's book may shed more accurate light on the subject. I don't think she names Alton Brown was the serial killer that Etterlene means-I think the serial killer's surname was Italian.
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Reply #174 posted 05/07/09 11:28am

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Riverpoet31 said:

Prince.org

The only site in the world where such an un-important, far mediocre and far forgotten R&B group gets their own sticky....

The Unsung Debarge got people shocked about their life story! They had a clean pure image and then they kinda fell off the map and disappeared.You could NEVER really forget the Debarges cause of people sampling their music so much. El and Mama Debarge are saying El will be released from prison this june of 2009 for good behavior with concert gigs lined up and everythang! It may be a lie but El and his mother whitewash things to make it confuse the public;or maybe to keep us guessing. The apple really does not fall far from tree. That is neither here nor there...

As far as Kristinia Debarge giving out her cell that is the WRONG thing to do! Babyface probably wasn't pleased with that. Somebody betta get the girl a publicist to give her rundown of celebrity life. She gonna have stalkers and all the sick deranged fans stalking her to no end!

Bunny is saying that the family curse has cycled down to their children and she hopes they can break the cycle before it gets to their grand babies! Their children are already doing drugs...Damn say it ain't so! It is true children live by example sometimes!
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Reply #175 posted 05/07/09 12:13pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

Prince.org

The only site in the world where such an un-important, far mediocre and far forgotten R&B group gets their own sticky....

The Unsung Debarge got people shocked about their life story! They had a clean pure image and then they kinda fell off the map and disappeared.You could NEVER really forget the Debarges cause of people sampling their music so much. El and Mama Debarge are saying El will be released from prison this june of 2009 for good behavior with concert gigs lined up and everythang! It may be a lie but El and his mother whitewash things to make it confuse the public;or maybe to keep us guessing. The apple really does not fall far from tree. That is neither here nor there...

As far as Kristinia Debarge giving out her cell that is the WRONG thing to do! Babyface probably wasn't pleased with that. Somebody betta get the girl a publicist to give her rundown of celebrity life. She gonna have stalkers and all the sick deranged fans stalking her to no end!

Bunny is saying that the family curse has cycled down to their children and she hopes they can break the cycle before it gets to their grand babies! Their children are already doing drugs...Damn say it ain't so! It is true children live by example sometimes!


What the "Unsung" documentary revealed was not even as bad as the stories printed in books and magazines. They can't even save themselves. disbelief And eek @ Kristinia giving out her cell. The hell? confused
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Reply #176 posted 05/07/09 12:58pm

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I think the family is getting their shit together. Tommy is doing well, as are James, Chico, Bunny, and the twins. And I don't think the Debarge twins had substance issues-then again, I don't think they were bedviled by the demons and saw the abuse that affected their much older siblings.
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Reply #177 posted 05/07/09 2:10pm

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Reply #178 posted 05/07/09 2:12pm

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Etterlene sings this track

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Reply #179 posted 05/07/09 2:14pm

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Fan tribute to Etterlne for her Bday
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