vainandy said:

Thank you.

Graycap23 said:

Thank you.

cdcgold said:

It's not that "if you don't play an instrument you ain't shit"....The trend being pushed nowadays is that these so- called "singers"spend half the show talking/dancing, '2 hide the fact that they can't sing live. Then the ones who work hard at their craft, can really sing/play, and actually respect what makes a singer/musician who they are have 2 fuckin beg and plead 4 decent promotion, money, and airtime....

MPLSBRAT said:

and you can take singing lessons all your life and never sing like luther

L4OATheOriginal said:

not more talented equally talented. all i'm saying is just cause someone can play an instruments does not mean they are more talented than someone who can't. Like i said it's quality over quantity, alot of people think just because someone can do more things that makes them more talented and thats not true

Mong said:

:shrug:what are you talking about, oh like i care... anyway.....

L4OATheOriginal said:

i don't i said nothing about these modern day "artist"

Serena said:

oh really where did i post that(even though it's kind of true) you are a bold face liar. and for your information i am a she not a he

L4OATheOriginal said:

britney spears can't sing, when i say that i mean people who can actually sing.

chuckaducci said:

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xlr8r said:

what ever you people on here have really sad lives if you have that much hate for someone you don't even know

Another great Marvin instrument-playing track:



The Funk Brothers:



Dennis Coffey:

Serena said:

once again if you knew anything i have started numerous threads about other artists but whatever. and you have posted in j threads more than i have

cdcgold said:

I think people who sing SHOULD pick up an instrument as it shows the texture and depth of them individually. What would Prince be without his guitar and keys? Can you imagine the lame songs that people would have probably wrote for him!?!?

Another thing is..when i see a performer, I want to see them LIVE. I dont want to backng drum track of some old hit. R&B Artists today (and the record companies) are really demeaning some really good singers voices with minimalist protools and casio tracks. Lots of careers have been going down the hill with this method.

you people sure are hot tempered maybe ii should rephrase the question: why do artist who only sing get put off as just being puppets and are not considered as talented as people who play instruments? or The question i should have asked is why are singers not given as much respect as artist who play an instrument?

paisleypark4 said:

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its mot only about some of todays artist, its also about some older artsit like whitney houstan for example or the temptations who are not really considered artist

cdcgold said:

I don't know that that's true. Aretha Franklin, Patti LaBelle, Gladys Knight, Tina Turner, etc. get a lot of respect and praise. So does Luther Vandross, who seems to be one of your favorites.

I think the issue with the current music climate is that contests like American Idol and the like hash out "singers" who have no point of view and no depth. The very premise of such a show erodes away any uniqueness that would actually make the contestant stand out.

diamondpearl1 said:

TIMMY THANK YOU SO MUCH for that Chaka! I NEVER SEEN THAT!





Whitney is a great vocalist..and so were the Tempting Temp's..but I have read the books and KNOW that they played instruments..plus their music was instruemtn drived..the FUNK Brothers? Come on now. New Edition also played instruemtns but never have they been shown to do so. Whitney has been seen playing the piano too..however she lack the knowledge to even do any writing on her own material. Not that she had to...but it's just a respect thing.


The problem is that it is not being pushed anymore....its part of the reason there are so many LAME fucking young people in the game that dont know how to play an instrument or write a song..or sing well.

We respect people who play instruments, write their own songs and sing well because.....hell..that is what Prince is!!!

You're welcome, Paisley. I just felt like posting people (singers and instrumentals) playing something because I felt this thread was not built on a purpose. I would hope these videos show the difference between playing an instrument and being a musician. The Funk Brothers instrumentals should be enough to believe "I see why that's a big deal", I just felt it was necessary. Now if everyone else posts videos and ignore arguments, this won't be a bad thread, lol.

Moonbeam said:

sure they get respect as singers but not alot of people on here would considered them genuises what i'm saying is a person can be a musical genuis if they don't play an instrument. i'm saying making music with you voice is just as amazing with as doing it with an instument.


let me give you another example a while ago i started a thread on david archuleta, an of course it was flooded with haters saying hateful things about him, I will agree his songs were not that amazing, which really isn't his fault cause he is a new artist and hasn't gotten any creative control yet. but i posted a thread on him because he has a beautiful voice, one of the best i have heard in years and he should have recognition for that. But the people on here said he sucked as a whole becuase of the songs he was singing they gave no compliments on his voice it was if having a beautiful voice was wasn't worthy enough for them.


on another note people only here say i only post on mj threads which is a lie whenever i try to make threads on other artist they get flooded with haters spewing their venom
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Moonbeam said:

I agree. American Idol get on my nerves. Least Aretha, Luther, Patti, Gladys and Tina worked diligently on their craft rather than just do it for a quick buck on TV.

cdcgold said:

Maybe this has already been covered but I'm too lazy to read the thread right now. Who do you consider a good singer?

luckybullet said:

It's not harsh enough if we're dealing with a product of the Britney Spears generation

cdcgold said:

Is that really true in this forum? We do singer appreciation threads all the time!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

cdcgold said:[quote]

Moonbeam said:

Because no matter if you have a "good voice" or not you have to have chops / good songs to back it up with. We are people who listen to the BEST of THE BEST. We are going to judge pretty harshly. Alot of us are musicians ourselves and our critique sometimes can be biaed based on the Chaka's the Prince's, The Maxwell's, the Mariah's..people who have very distinct finely crafted and finely tunes voices with good songs to back them up. It's not to diss you but hey if a song is just not good..it's not..no matter how your voice sound like.

I will bash Mariah forever for making that dumb song with Westside Connection, or her remake of The Beautiful Ones and I will praise her for Vision Of Love and Fly Like A Bird in the same sentence.

We like people who don't have good voices too..like Paula Abdul, Vanity or even Pharrell..but they have GOOD SONGS to back it up with. Thats the org and that's the way it is.