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CLASSIC PERFORMANCE: Debarge on Motown 25

This is where it all started for them. Amazing. They were the young bucks performing in front of and trying to impress all those greats
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Reply #1 posted 02/27/09 8:44pm

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I like it (no pun intended) but I'm not familiar with High Energy (they kinda bored me). I did like when Debarge came back out in the end though. El was such a star on the rise...
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Reply #2 posted 02/27/09 8:57pm

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He was!
My oldest cousin Reena was a monster Debarge fan. She told me the story of watching this with her dad, my Uncle Teddy, who is crazy as a mug. She says as soon as Debarge came out and El started singing, my uncle sat up and said, "When did Motown start signing Puerto Ricans?" Pure ignorance, but that is my uncle. I will say, that based on that appearance, if I didn't know better, I would have thought El was Latino.
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Reply #3 posted 02/27/09 11:40pm

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scriptgirl said:

He was!
My oldest cousin Reena was a monster Debarge fan. She told me the story of watching this with her dad, my Uncle Teddy, who is crazy as a mug. She says as soon as Debarge came out and El started singing, my uncle sat up and said, "When did Motown start signing Puerto Ricans?" Pure ignorance, but that is my uncle. I will say, that based on that appearance, if I didn't know better, I would have thought El was Latino.

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Reply #4 posted 02/28/09 9:18am

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My Uncle Benny is just pure crazy. I can't repeat half the stuff he says.
But yeah, that was his reaction to Debarge.
I never liked Debarge performing with High Inergy. I wonder why they did that-the groups are so disparate.
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Reply #5 posted 02/28/09 2:53pm

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im born in 88 but i never knew they performed on motown 25 , i dont remember them as performers
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Reply #6 posted 02/28/09 5:03pm

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I guess I'm in the minority because I never thought DeBarge were Hispanic. However, I enjoy this performance. Whatever happened to High Energy? Did they ever release any videos or an album because I just remember seeing them on Motown 25 and that was it!

It's clear from this performance that El just had that IT factor that the others didn't have. Sure, they are all talented but El has that stage presence where you're drawn to him. He's magnetic smile
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Reply #7 posted 02/28/09 5:17pm

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Not sure whatever happened to High Energy.

To me, El looks Latino, or either creole or just plain mixed. So do James, Bobby and Chico. Either way the Debarges have a very distinct look.

I agree that El has magnetism, but I think he only really had it in the context of the group. I think he floundered a bit when he went solo.
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Reply #8 posted 02/28/09 5:22pm

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scriptgirl said:

He was!
My oldest cousin Reena was a monster Debarge fan. She told me the story of watching this with her dad, my Uncle Teddy, who is crazy as a mug. She says as soon as Debarge came out and El started singing, my uncle sat up and said, "When did Motown start signing Puerto Ricans?" Pure ignorance, but that is my uncle. I will say, that based on that appearance, if I didn't know better, I would have thought El was Latino.

Until the Vibe article, I didn't know what their nationality was. The name "Debarge" really threw me off too lol
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Reply #9 posted 02/28/09 5:29pm

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scriptgirl said:

He was!
My oldest cousin Reena was a monster Debarge fan. She told me the story of watching this with her dad, my Uncle Teddy, who is crazy as a mug. She says as soon as Debarge came out and El started singing, my uncle sat up and said, "When did Motown start signing Puerto Ricans?" Pure ignorance, but that is my uncle. I will say, that based on that appearance, if I didn't know better, I would have thought El was Latino.

Until the Vibe article, I didn't know what their nationality was. The name "Debarge" really threw me off too lol


I was first told they were half-black and half-Latino, lol. Especially with names like "El" and "Chico". However they had a FRENCH surname. So I got suspicious. Then I heard they were half-French Canadian and African American so it made sense all of a sudden. And I guess black folks do call each other "Chico" since Diana Ross' brother Wilbert is also nicknamed Chico, lol.
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Reply #10 posted 02/28/09 5:33pm

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scriptgirl said:

Not sure whatever happened to High Energy.

To me, El looks Latino, or either creole or just plain mixed. So do James, Bobby and Chico. Either way the Debarges have a very distinct look.

I agree that El has magnetism, but I think he only really had it in the context of the group. I think he floundered a bit when he went solo.


Now him looking mixed I can see, but I never thought he was Hispanic, that's all I'm saying.

He floundered a bit in the beginning because he probably didn't have total confidence on his own than he did when he was on stage with his siblings, but if you look at more recent performances of him, El has more confidence. I don't care what anyone says I think El could've had more of a successful musical career if he was promoted better, IMO.
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Reply #11 posted 02/28/09 5:36pm

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Whatever happened to High Energy? Did they ever release any videos or an album because I just remember seeing them on Motown 25 and that was it!


High Inergy released several albums.Their biggest hit song was "You Can't Turn Me Off (In The Middle Of Turnin Me On)" which was a Number One R&B hit in late 1977.
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Reply #12 posted 02/28/09 5:43pm

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High Inergy never really took off on Motown. They had just one hit, "You Can't Turn Me on In the Middle of Turning Me On" (co-written by songwriting legend and Berry Gordy's big sister Gwen Gordy Fuqua), and had a few disco clubbers. By 1983 they were over in Motown. Shortly after this performance, they got dropped from Motown.
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Reply #13 posted 02/28/09 6:08pm

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yeah High Inergy were pretty much ignored by Motown,although their 1983 single "He's A Pretender" did get a little attention at R&B radio (LaToya Jackson covered this song a year later,btw).
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Reply #14 posted 02/28/09 6:19pm

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Slenderoni1978 said:

scriptgirl said:

Not sure whatever happened to High Energy.

To me, El looks Latino, or either creole or just plain mixed. So do James, Bobby and Chico. Either way the Debarges have a very distinct look.

I agree that El has magnetism, but I think he only really had it in the context of the group. I think he floundered a bit when he went solo.


Now him looking mixed I can see, but I never thought he was Hispanic, that's all I'm saying.

He floundered a bit in the beginning because he probably didn't have total confidence on his own than he did when he was on stage with his siblings, but if you look at more recent performances of him, El has more confidence. I don't care what anyone says I think El could've had more of a successful musical career if he was promoted better, IMO.


Hm. I see both sides of this debate. It appears the DeBarges were at their best when the worked as an unit. Whether that was because they feed or bounced off each other and or maybe a little creative tension brought forth exceptional songs... who knows but them.

I agree El albums (particularly Gemini, In The Storm, and Heat,Mind, & Soul) were woefully under promoted. Though, how much his personal struggles circumvented that..again only he and the recorded label knows.
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Reply #15 posted 02/28/09 6:57pm

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It seems to me High Inergy were supposed to be the Emotions 2.0. Were the Emotions on Motown?

Anyhoo, in the mid-90s, I found a box of my cousin Reena's Debarge memoribilia and I found a mag that had an interview with the Debarge mom-it may have been the late, great Rock and Soul-it was dated from '85 and she talked about meeting her husband, who is white, at a roller skating rink. So it did come out in the h 80s that they were half black and half white.

The Debarge surname never threw me off, because I know a lot of black people have French surnames. To me, in singing, sometimes Bobby and El have latino cadence in their voice-I am not putting it right, but that is how it seems to me.

El was not promoted well at all and it is sad. He could have been a huge RnB artist. He had the looks and more talent than most.

Their dad is not French Canadian. He is from Illinois and is French and Irish. The Debarges did have a Puerto Rican stepdad, who gave Chico his nickname. Chico's real name is Jonathan.

It boggles my mind that as popular as Debarge were, they are sadly forgotten now.
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Reply #16 posted 02/28/09 6:59pm

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scriptgirl said:

It seems to me High Inergy were supposed to be the Emotions 2.0. Were the Emotions on Motown?

Anyhoo, in the mid-90s, I found a box of my cousin Reena's Debarge memoribilia and I found a mag that had an interview with the Debarge mom-it may have been the late, great Rock and Soul-it was dated from '85 and she talked about meeting her husband, who is white, at a roller skating rink. So it did come out in the h 80s that they were half black and half white.

The Debarge surname never threw me off, because I know a lot of black people have French surnames. To me, in singing, sometimes Bobby and El have latino cadence in their voice-I am not putting it right, but that is how it seems to me.

El was not promoted well at all and it is sad. He could have been a huge RnB artist. He had the looks and more talent than most.

Their dad is not French Canadian. He is from Illinois and is French and Irish. The Debarges did have a Puerto Rican stepdad, who gave Chico his nickname. Chico's real name is Jonathan.

It boggles my mind that as popular as Debarge were, they are sadly forgotten now.
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I don't know about High Inergy being the next Emotions since the Emotions didn't join the label until 1985 but Motown initially tried to tag them as the next Vandellas or something or any girl group that came to Motown after The Supremes disbanded in 1977.
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Reply #17 posted 02/28/09 7:21pm

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Didn't work.
I think the Debarges performed after MJ.
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Reply #18 posted 02/28/09 8:01pm

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scriptgirl said:

Didn't work.
I think the Debarges performed after MJ.

Nah, they performed before The Jackson 5ive. If I remember correctly, they went on after Adam Ant eek
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Reply #19 posted 02/28/09 8:05pm

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I loved this performance when I was young. I'd always watch this, Jacksons, Marvin Gay and the Tops/Tempts
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Reply #20 posted 02/28/09 8:31pm

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My cousin Reena says that after this performance every girl in her junior high class was in love with El.
I can't get over how skinny he was!
Those pants he was wearing made it seem like he had hips
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Reply #21 posted 02/28/09 9:00pm

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bboy87 said:

scriptgirl said:

Didn't work.
I think the Debarges performed after MJ.

Nah, they performed before The Jackson 5ive. If I remember correctly, they went on after Adam Ant eek

The came on after the J5. I need to find my VHS, ain't watched this in eons.
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LittleBLUECorvette said:

bboy87 said:


Nah, they performed before The Jackson 5ive. If I remember correctly, they went on after Adam Ant eek

The came on after the J5. I need to find my VHS, ain't watched this in eons.

I haven't watched mine in a while either


And damn if they did, imagine being backstage lol
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Reply #23 posted 02/28/09 9:03pm

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bboy87 said:


Nah, they performed before The Jackson 5ive. If I remember correctly, they went on after Adam Ant eek

The came on after the J5. I need to find my VHS, ain't watched this in eons.


You're right, Debarge/High Inergy performance came on after the Motown Films segment. Lionel Richie was before J5
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Reply #24 posted 02/28/09 9:11pm

Timmy84

I wonder what the video set list look like.

Marvin must've appeared either before or after the Jacksons/DeBarge...

I know The Supremes came last, lol.
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Reply #25 posted 02/28/09 9:11pm

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They badly need to do a behind the music story on this, an UNSUNG or something. A book would be nice. I know there was some serious drama going on behind the scenes. I of course would love to know the Debarge angle on the whole thing.
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Reply #26 posted 02/28/09 9:13pm

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I doubt if there was any besides the sisters dating the DeBarge brothers causing conflict since the Jacksons were out of the label when DeBarge arrived and Jermaine was their original producer.
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Reply #27 posted 02/28/09 9:17pm

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Timmy84 said:

I wonder what the video set list look like.

Marvin must've appeared either before or after the Jacksons/DeBarge...

I know The Supremes came last, lol.

Marvin came right after the Jacksons, then DeBarge/High Energy
PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Reply #28 posted 02/28/09 9:27pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

I wonder what the video set list look like.

Marvin must've appeared either before or after the Jacksons/DeBarge...

I know The Supremes came last, lol.

Marvin came right after the Jacksons, then DeBarge/High Energy


Ah, I gotcha. thumbs up!
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Reply #29 posted 02/28/09 9:48pm

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El had that "It" to him, made you pay attention. When I was younger, I used to ask my pops "who's old boy tryin' to look like MikeJax."
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