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Reply #60 posted 02/24/09 9:21am

phunkdaddy

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thekidsgirl said:

NDRU said:

besides...

this is HOT!



GAWD YES! you betta work it V! heart
Toss that dark & lovely around

Let me twirl it around my pinky finger

This is sexy!


You're serious. I guess the majority of females i know don't find
him attractive is why i'm surprised by your response.
Stacey next you're going to tell us you have posters of Van Hunt and
Verdine plastered on your wall. lol
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Reply #61 posted 02/24/09 9:50am

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thekidsgirl said:

excuse me, but don't deny Verdine's sex appeal no no no!

his perm was and still is lush

Wait.....are we talkin' about Verdine White?

THIS Verdine White?





Lush ain't the word to describe his perm or his wardrobe lol
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Reply #62 posted 02/24/09 10:58am

Timmy84

namepeace said:

Timmy84 said:



Exactly!


I was wondering about the thread title . . . was EWF not successful?


lol

I don't think there was a moment where they were "not" successful though their early beginnings left a lot to be desired until 1972.
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Reply #63 posted 02/24/09 11:02am

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I agree, they were successful. They ARE. I'm just spoiled by the once like jackson, Madonna or McCartney. It's not fair to compare other musician's careers with THEIRS. Let me say that every musician that can totally live with his music or the money he once made with his music IS SUCCESSFULL.
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Reply #64 posted 02/24/09 11:12am

Timmy84

graecophilos said:

I agree, they were successful. They ARE. I'm just spoiled by the once like jackson, Madonna or McCartney. It's not fair to compare other musician's careers with THEIRS. Let me say that every musician that can totally live with his music or the money he once made with his music IS SUCCESSFULL.


Earth, Wind & Fire are fine on their own. Other artists are successful for different reasons, lol.
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Reply #65 posted 02/24/09 11:27am

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The record industry of that era/time (how records where marketed and sold) can't be compared to the record industry of later years. In fact you can say they've come full circle. For a brief time some artist were able to sale 4. 5, 6 million per albums constistantly. Throw in MTV and this new thing called a Cd, (which where tripled the price of an album, which meant increased profits for the record companies) many thought they had hit pay dirt forever. Who where the top selling artist of 2008? What where their total in sales for their Cd's/digital albums? Between 1.5 to 2 millions in sales old school - gold, platinum, and double platinum. It has nothing to do with being sexy or looking good, it's because the single via iTunes, Amazon, Rhapsody or whomever is back.

The band "Chicago" (I think) sold more records/albums than E,W, & F, They made a conscious decision never to put the faces on any of their album's. Their rational the was they wanted it to be about their music and not about image/them.
[Edited 2/24/09 8:02am]


Insightful.

You are right, and I've said the same thing on this forum a few times. The single is back. These days it seems like with the proliferation of choices, music buyers can spread their "album dollars" around to a variety of different acts. But a single can attract dollars across the spectrum from people who love the track but don't want to buy the album. Today's version of Thriller would only sell MAYBE 25% of what it sold.

Plus, I personally think that the post-Napster economic model has been a mixed blessing for the "veteran" acts. Let's use EWF as an general example. On one hand, EWF may lose CD sales because I can buy "Shining Star" for .80 or $1.00 without shelling out 8-12 bucks for the album/greatest hits CD. OTOH, I can easily buy an EWF album on iTunes, etc. without having to hunt in a few record shops for a "hard" copy via CD. I wonder how that's working out for the old school acts overall.
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Reply #66 posted 02/24/09 11:29am

Timmy84

namepeace said:

TD3 said:


The record industry of that era/time (how records where marketed and sold) can't be compared to the record industry of later years. In fact you can say they've come full circle. For a brief time some artist were able to sale 4. 5, 6 million per albums constistantly. Throw in MTV and this new thing called a Cd, (which where tripled the price of an album, which meant increased profits for the record companies) many thought they had hit pay dirt forever. Who where the top selling artist of 2008? What where their total in sales for their Cd's/digital albums? Between 1.5 to 2 millions in sales old school - gold, platinum, and double platinum. It has nothing to do with being sexy or looking good, it's because the single via iTunes, Amazon, Rhapsody or whomever is back.

The band "Chicago" (I think) sold more records/albums than E,W, & F, They made a conscious decision never to put the faces on any of their album's. Their rational the was they wanted it to be about their music and not about image/them.
[Edited 2/24/09 8:02am]


Insightful.

You are right, and I've said the same thing on this forum a few times. The single is back. These days it seems like with the proliferation of choices, music buyers can spread their "album dollars" around to a variety of different acts. But a single can attract dollars across the spectrum from people who love the track but don't want to buy the album. Today's version of Thriller would only sell MAYBE 25% of what it sold.

Plus, I personally think that the post-Napster economic model has been a mixed blessing for the "veteran" acts. Let's use EWF as an general example. On one hand, EWF may lose CD sales because I can buy "Shining Star" for .80 or $1.00 without shelling out 8-12 bucks for the album/greatest hits CD. OTOH, I can easily buy an EWF album on iTunes, etc. without having to hunt in a few record shops for a "hard" copy via CD. I wonder how that's working out for the old school acts overall.


Well touring is their success stories so I doubt they're too bothered by it.
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Reply #67 posted 02/24/09 11:31am

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phunkdaddy said:

thekidsgirl said:



GAWD YES! you betta work it V! heart
Toss that dark & lovely around

Let me twirl it around my pinky finger

This is sexy!


You're serious. I guess the majority of females i know don't find
him attractive is why i'm surprised by your response.
Stacey next you're going to tell us you have posters of Van Hunt and
Verdine plastered on your wall. lol


lol well you gotta atleast admit he's pretty lol
If you will, so will I
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Reply #68 posted 02/24/09 11:32am

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bboy87 said:

thekidsgirl said:

excuse me, but don't deny Verdine's sex appeal no no no!

his perm was and still is lush

Wait.....are we talkin' about Verdine White?

THIS Verdine White?





Lush ain't the word to describe his perm or his wardrobe lol


were you thinking luscious? lol
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Reply #69 posted 02/24/09 11:33am

Timmy84

That dude was wearing a man dress. lol
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Reply #70 posted 02/24/09 11:33am

namepeace

graecophilos said:

I agree, they were successful. They ARE. I'm just spoiled by the once like jackson, Madonna or McCartney. It's not fair to compare other musician's careers with THEIRS. Let me say that every musician that can totally live with his music or the money he once made with his music IS SUCCESSFULL.


I see what you're saying, yet there can only be a few at the very top. Fortunately for EWF, their music has been in demand for decades. Taking your question, my answer would be no, when you compare them to their other contemporaries on the r&b/pop scene.

Today, they may not have gotten past the club circuit unless Maurice and Philip became MC's. Not because of their looks. But because the industry doesn't seem very interested in black bands anymore.
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Reply #71 posted 02/24/09 11:37am

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namepeace said:[quote]

graecophilos said:

I agree, they were successful. They ARE. I'm just spoiled by the once like jackson, Madonna or McCartney. It's not fair to compare other musician's careers with THEIRS. Let me say that every musician that can totally live with his music or the money he once made with his music IS SUCCESSFULL.


I see what you're saying, yet there can only be a few at the very top. Fortunately for EWF, their music has been in demand for decades. Taking your question, my answer would be no, when you compare them to their other contemporaries on the r&b/pop scene.

Today, they may not have gotten past the club circuit unless Maurice and Philip became MC's. Not because of their looks. But because the industry doesn't seem very interested in black bands anymore.[/quote]

That's true. Or aren't there much black bands??
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Reply #72 posted 02/24/09 11:39am

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Timmy84 said:

That dude was wearing a man dress. lol


He is secure in his sexuality
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Reply #73 posted 02/24/09 11:45am

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graecophilos said:

That's true. Or aren't there much black bands??


It's like every cycle.

When jazz, swing and the blues were big, black youths picked up instruments.

When doo-wop and motown dominated, black youths wanted to form singing groups.

When soul and funk came into their own, blacks started forming bands.

But when hip-hop took over the scene, away went the instruments and singers. Everybody wanted to be an MC. And as I see it, most black youth still would prefer to be an MC or a DJ.

Maybe it'll turn around again.
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Reply #74 posted 02/24/09 11:47am

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graecophilos said:

I agree, they were successful. They ARE. I'm just spoiled by the once like jackson, Madonna or McCartney. .



You're rooting for a different kind of act. These are solo artists not a band. There are plenty of black bands. It's debateable if the public gets the word through the industry grapevine. Luckily you have me. Watch my posts grace. Even if you're in Europe I will keep you informed.
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Reply #75 posted 02/24/09 11:47am

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They weren't successful? omfg I wish my unsucess was that great lol
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Reply #76 posted 02/24/09 11:50am

namepeace

PFunkjazz said:

graecophilos said:

I agree, they were successful. They ARE. I'm just spoiled by the once like jackson, Madonna or McCartney. .



You're rooting for a different kind of act. These are solo artists not a band. There are plenty of black bands. It's debateable if the public gets the word through the industry grapevine. Luckily you have me. Watch my posts grace. Even if you're in Europe I will keep you informed.


I think that's what graec is talking about . . . the industry grapevine. There are few if any black bands with the type of exposure to hit it big. Thankfully, today we get better exposure to whatever type of band we're looking for.
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Reply #77 posted 02/24/09 12:02pm

Timmy84

thekidsgirl said:

Timmy84 said:

That dude was wearing a man dress. lol


He is secure in his sexuality


As he should be, I'm just saying. biggrin
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Reply #78 posted 02/24/09 12:05pm

Timmy84

namepeace said:

graecophilos said:

That's true. Or aren't there much black bands??


It's like every cycle.

When jazz, swing and the blues were big, black youths picked up instruments.

When doo-wop and motown dominated, black youths wanted to form singing groups.

When soul and funk came into their own, blacks started forming bands.

But when hip-hop took over the scene, away went the instruments and singers. Everybody wanted to be an MC. And as I see it, most black youth still would prefer to be an MC or a DJ.

Maybe it'll turn around again.


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Reply #79 posted 02/24/09 1:52pm

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graecophilos said:

eaglebear4839 said:

Head to the Sky (1973) - Platinum
Open Our Eyes (1974) - Platinum
That's the Way of the World (1975) - 3x Platinum
Spirit (1976) - 2x Platinum
All In All (1977) - 3x Platinum
I am (1979) - 2x Platinum
Faces (1980) - Gold
Raise! (1981) - Plainum
Powerlight (1982) - Gold

Compare this to the discography of rock "supergroup" Kiss for the same years and you discover that EWF outsold Kiss almost 2 to 1.


I'm aware of their success!!! The thing is, well, reality is, that especially females seem to like listen to music from sexy singers. How many million copies of Thriller had been sold because girls thought MJ was hot and adorable??

But, man, I love EWF, their music is sexy as hell (Can't Hide Love i.e.) but attractivity is the name of the game. You can say whatever you want.


But then it gets into the argument of what is/isn't sexy, but that's probably a red herring...
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Reply #80 posted 02/24/09 2:05pm

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graecophilos said:



I'm aware of their success!!! The thing is, well, reality is, that especially females seem to like listen to music from sexy singers. How many million copies of Thriller had been sold because girls thought MJ was hot and adorable??

But, man, I love EWF, their music is sexy as hell (Can't Hide Love i.e.) but attractivity is the name of the game. You can say whatever you want.


But then it gets into the argument of what is/isn't sexy, but that's probably a red herring...


And we are forgetting the Best Of....compilation released in 1978 which at last checking has sold upwards of 5x Platinum..

So yes, they have been more consistently successful each of those years than most other artists, if you want to be honest.

Cant think of another artist that has that kind of yearly track-record.

I know what you mean G., but that consistency has to mean something.....and their music moreso than many other Legendary artists of that era is still in demand and played all over the world.
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Reply #81 posted 02/24/09 5:07pm

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thekidsgirl said:

bboy87 said:


Wait.....are we talkin' about Verdine White?

THIS Verdine White?





Lush ain't the word to describe his perm or his wardrobe lol


were you thinking luscious? lol

more like "zesty" lol


lookin' like an 80s workin' woman
"Hello, Welcome to Earth, Wind & Fire, shining bright to see what you can truly be,
how may I direct your call?"
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Reply #82 posted 02/24/09 5:13pm

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bboy87 said:

thekidsgirl said:



were you thinking luscious? lol

more like "zesty" lol


lookin' like an 80s workin' woman
"Hello, Welcome to Earth, Wind & Fire, shining bright to see what you can truly be,
how may I direct your call?"


lol
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Reply #83 posted 02/24/09 5:36pm

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They had a billion number one singles. Read up.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #84 posted 02/24/09 5:40pm

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Maurice was hella sexy to me and what points his face didn't get, his voice did.
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Reply #85 posted 02/24/09 8:19pm

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I was watching black to the future on VH1 tonight when they
were paying homage to the 70's black culture and they were
talking about EWF and afros. They said maurice had a bozo fro. lol
His brother verdine should take tips from prince on perms.
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Reply #86 posted 02/24/09 8:21pm

Timmy84

phunkdaddy said:

I was watching black to the future on VH1 tonight when they
were paying homage to the 70's black culture and they were
talking about EWF and afros. They said maurice had a bozo fro. lol
His brother verdine should take tips from prince on perms.


He sho did! falloff

Their voices definitely made up for it. Yeah they may not have been "attractive" but they sure can sing the fuck out of a telephone book if you let them. Don't get me started on their high harmonies!
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Reply #87 posted 02/26/09 2:16am

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bboy87 said:

thekidsgirl said:



were you thinking luscious? lol

more like "zesty" lol


lookin' like an 80s workin' woman
"Hello, Welcome to Earth, Wind & Fire, shining bright to see what you can truly be,
how may I direct your call?"


lol lol lol you kill me!
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