CrozzaUK said:

Yeah, so who is going to be the band? the dancers. Come in guys, what is his show going to look like, he can't be the same set every night....

luv4u said:

I have no issue with there being a single MJ thread, after all this is a Prince site, and as all of you know I am a fan of both. I personally think being able to have a single "go to" thread for all news etc is actually beneficial to us.

The only issue I have is the lack of respect for us on here by some people on the site. As a Prince fan, I have to say I get annoyed when people come to an MJ thread just to be negative and make comments that actually add nothing to the conversation rather than upset. But maybe that is their hope.

I would have hoped that in a time when both these artists are poised to release new music and make their individual, and collective, fans happy, we could just enjoy it. I mean if these artists themselves can continue to admire each other and their work, it seems funny that a lot of fans (on both sides) remain overly protective and threatened by anyone who is an "opposing" fan.

Swa

seeingvoices12 said:

You forget me and some of the other members of the nWo (including bboy87) got a little annoyed at some MJ posts and some MJ threads weren't even that good. Even that one I started about the sheikh and MJ. After it got too hot in the kitchen, me and bboy ended up nWo-ing that thread to death. You actually think it was just the non-fans complaining?

Timmy84 said:

But that shouldn't be applied to all threads, some Mj fans start silly and unnecessary threads here, I admit, but that should not be applied to all threads, any unnecessary thread should be locked , its that easy.

as i have said, the sticky is enough for me.

there is another thread about MJ and i don't know why it still opened because it has no purpose entitled "MJ fans scare me"

seeingvoices12 said:

I'm going to leave that alone.

Timmy84 said:

say whatchu gots to say!

This is a really interesting and good article:

Detoxing brand Jacko
Amar Singh and Robert Mendick
13.03.09

Even by Las Vegas standards, the stakes at the meeting in the MGM Grand were extraordinarily high, the bet incredibly risky. While tourists gambled dollars and cents in the slot machines next door, four of the most powerful men in show business were risking hundreds of millions, as well as their reputations, on a man whose own reputation was in tatters.

But as Michael Jackson sat before them, his youngest son Blanket at his side, the executives from AEG, the world's second largest entertainment company, knew they had got their man.

Jackson, in a sober black suit (he has been photographed in women's clothes on one shopping trip and pyjamas on another) appeared fit and well. After years dogged by child abuse scandals, near bankruptcy and an obsession with plastic surgery, he told them what they were desperate to hear: the "King of Pop" was ready to make his comeback.

Just two months after that meeting, Jackson, who has not performed live for 12 years, is at the age of 50 breaking all records. His 50 concerts at the AEG-owned O2 arena are expected to sell out within hours of the box office opening today.

Jackson-mania is gripping London, and the world, transforming the figure of fun, never to be let near children, to the biggest draw on the planet once again. He has in effect been detoxified by an American corporation that stands to make a fortune. Jackson too will earn as much as £100 million.

The Las Vegas meeting, details of which can be revealed by the Evening Standard for the first time, was crucial. Jackson had with him his mysterious aide Dr Tohme Tohme, a former Saudi Arabian orthopaedic surgeon who is his closest confidant.

His youngest son, officially Prince Michael II but referred to as Blanket in the family circle, played in the room. The last association Blanket, now six, had with a hotel was when his father dangled him from a balcony as a baby in Berlin in 2003.

The AEG delegation was headed by Philip Anschutz, its billionaire founder, and included his most senior executives: AEG's chief executive Tim Leiweke, Randy Phillips, who heads up AEG Live, the live entertainment arm of the company, and Paul Gongaware, who managed Jackson's live shows in the 90s and will do so again in London.

Gongaware, who also staged Prince's 21 nights at the O2 in 2007, is widely recognised as the middleman.

While Jackson sipped bottled water, the AEG men, in polo shirts and jeans, sized up their target. Jackson, with debts of up to $100 million, desperately needed the cash while AEG was eager to land the showbiz coup of the decade.

Anschutz, a devout Christian, was weighing up whether hiring Jackson would damage his company's reputation in the family entertainment business. The presence of Blanket helped to convince Anschutz that Jackson, despite standing trial on child molestation charges and paying $25 million in out-of-court settlements to families of boys who accused him of child abuse, was ready for a return into the spotlight.

"It was a feelgood meeting," Phillips told the Standard. "We went into why I felt London was the right place to visit. He agreed. Phil [Anschutz] is very good with people and he was like a father figure to Michael. He likes to invest in family entertainment and saw that Michael was such a great father.

"Michael talked about his ambition to write, produce, direct and star in films and Phil, who owns the largest cinema chain, said he would be able to help."

For Phillips, the Las Vegas meeting was the culmination of three years wooing Jackson out of retirement. In 2006 the brash American, formerly Rod Stewart's manager, approached Jackson's aides."I was turned down twice by his representatives. I was told he wasn't ready to go back on stage - both physically and psychologically," said Phillips.

That was hardly surprising. In 2005 Jackson had finally been acquitted of child molestation charges. Spurning AEG's offer, Jackson effectively fled to Bahrain where he was looked after by Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa, a son of the king. But the two men fell out and the sheikh sued Jackson in the High Court in London, claiming the pop star had reneged on a recording contract and owed him money.

Last November, hours before Jackson was due to give evidence in court, the case settled. The pop star, again out of pocket, his debts escalating, needed to act fast. By December, said Phillips, talks with AEG "started to get serious". The key was a call made to Anschutz by an old friend Tom Barrack Jr, a real estate billionaire who paid $23.5 million for Jackson's Neverland ranch.

Barrack told Anschutz that he and Tohme had agreed to take control of Jackson's finances. They were rescheduling his $100 million debt and the pop star was ready to meet AEG. London would be the first venue because the executives were not convinced America was ready to welcome Jackson back. Phillips couldn't believe what he was hearing.

He said: "I got a call from Dr Tohme who gave it to me straight. He said Michael was in really bad financial straits. They were focusing on his assets and big equity but he had a major cash flow problem."

He met Barrack and Tohme in Los Angeles. "They were restructuring loans and settling all the law suits. Michael had got into so much trouble because he didn't have the security blanket of managers. As sophisticated as he is, he is very trusting, almost to a fault.

"I gave them the plan I had been working on - a four-year period of him playing live, releasing new music and a whole other bunch of commercial tie-ins including a new version of Thriller in 3D that would open on Halloween."

"Phase one" Phillips told Barrack and Tohme, would be the announcement of 10 shows at the O2 in London. The deal agreed, there was only one hurdle: to get the concerts insured. Phillips approached the London-based insurance company Robertson Taylor. The complex policy was only hammered out in the past two weeks after Jackson had a rigorous medical check-up at his LA home.

Phillips said: "Michael was put through a whole battery of tests; stress, treadmill, electrocardiogram, bloodwork and he passed them all. It's a very complicated policy. Its very important he doesn't perform consecutive nights.

"He's in very good health. I'm 54, he's 50 and I would like to have his cholesterol levels. He is a magnet for some of the strangest stories. The flesh-eating disease and things like that are simply not true. I have to say when I saw him last year he looked a little frail but this time at the MGM Grand, he looked great. He's filled out a little. He's training."

Phillips now speaks to Jackson directly each day. "He calls me all the time. We spoke on Wednesday afternoon. He said: [putting on high voice] 'Randy, Randy no more shows, no more shows.'"

There are now 50 shows, stretching into January and February next year. While industry insiders remain sceptical -many are convinced Jackson will mime at least part of those gigs amid rumours he was already lip-synching on his last tour - Phillips is confident.

"My guts tell me he's gonna do it," he said. But none of us will know for sure until 8 July when Jackson takes to the stage for his first night at the O2.

Assuming, of course, that he actually turns up.

http://www.thisislondon.c...article.do

one of my favs

seeingvoices12 said:

God I love this song. Too bad it's not live. I'd love to hear a live version

Arnotts said:

Well get used to it, this is about as live as it's gonna get at the O2!!!!

Ok MJ is gonna do 50 shows!!!!

Well he does OWE money to ALOT of people

Marrk said:

I dunno who you had dealt with. Not that that matters now..... The reason being due to a lot of complaints from the community and people in this forum, it was decided by the mods how to deal with the flooding of MJ, JJ and jackson et al threads.

Give this a chance. So far the community is.

I'm sure MJ has his own board for fans to post on???

LondonStyle said:

you can't be serious, Is this true? if it is then WTF

luv4u said:

see this is the problem as i see it.

you have no respect for mj or his fans so the rest of the board doesn't.

you have a position of power but you abuse it because you really want the fans to go away so you pretend not to see the trolling and flaming of mj and his fans because you agree with the baiters.

you should be removed from moderating any mj threads because you are clearly biased and will never give mj fans a break on this board.

you require respect as a moderator but you don't show the same respect because you allow your personal opinions to ovetake your duties to moderate fairly.

this board used to be a good place to discuss music but now its full of trolls posting to upset people.

luv4u said:

see this is the problem as i see it.

you have no respect for mj or his fans so the rest of the board doesn't.

you have a position of power but you abuse it because you really want the fans to go away so you pretend not to see the trolling and flaming of mj and his fans because you agree with the baiters.

you should be removed from moderating any mj threads because you are clearly biased and will never give mj fans a break on this board.

you require respect as a moderator but you don't show the same respect because you allow your personal opinions to ovetake your duties to moderate fairly.

this board used to be a good place to discuss music but now its full of trolls posting to upset people.

TheWifey said:

Actually, have to agree here.....

...wow.
um,anyway,I have my ticket!

eireboy34 said:

or you guys are just too touchy. luv is a great mod.

Have to agree with eireboy, I have seen him 2 or 3 times over the years. He only sings 'she's out of my life' or another slow-slow song live. Everything else was mimed. He has (had?) a great voice, but it is impossible to sing live and dance at the same time. Thats just a fact. And that was years ago. I'm sure he can put on a good show, you all like fireworks, don't you? And maybe he will be sitting on a bar stool for the gigs. That might explain how he is going to do 50 gigs.??

Not a hater, just a realist.

peace!