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Reply #30 posted 02/09/09 3:42pm

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The interesting thing is this is the most "bogus" award of all. The grammys have actually changed over the years. One of the bogus things was back in 1986, disqualified, was Whitney Houston, reason, she had a duet with Teddy Pendergrass called "Hold Me" on his album the year earlier, which at the time was a violation of the rules. HOWEVER the year before , Cyndi Lauper won Best New Artist, despite having been signed already with her group "Blue Angel" and though Blue Angel were not charting, this at the time was a CLEAR violation of the rule. Another year this BOGUS bullshit was pulled was in 1987. Richard Marx was disqualified for a song that he did on the "Nothing In Common" soundtrack a year earlier, also disqualified were Expose for the reason that the album "exposure" was recorded with other members a year prior and then re-worked with the famous lineup that had the success, so they were cut, HOWEVER, Jody Watley won, and yet was featured as a member of Shalamar. And though this rule has now been changed, back then you could NOT be a member of a group and then go solo and be nominated, hence, Paul McCartney not being nominated or Ringo Starr etc...


not to mention that they actually label it "best" rather than "album of the year," "song of the year," etc
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Reply #31 posted 02/09/09 3:43pm

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Wowugotit said:

Most years it's spot on; the artist goes on to have futher success. Some years it is not so spot on.

Paula Cole
Arrested Development
Mark Cohen
Milli Vanilli
A Taste of Honey
Starland Vocal Band


Let's hope Adele falls into this category.
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Reply #32 posted 02/09/09 3:53pm

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I thought Jill Scott won "Best New Artist". 01. eek
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Reply #33 posted 02/09/09 4:06pm

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lastdecember said:

The interesting thing is this is the most "bogus" award of all. The grammys have actually changed over the years. One of the bogus things was back in 1986, disqualified, was Whitney Houston, reason, she had a duet with Teddy Pendergrass called "Hold Me" on his album the year earlier, which at the time was a violation of the rules. HOWEVER the year before , Cyndi Lauper won Best New Artist, despite having been signed already with her group "Blue Angel" and though Blue Angel were not charting, this at the time was a CLEAR violation of the rule. Another year this BOGUS bullshit was pulled was in 1987. Richard Marx was disqualified for a song that he did on the "Nothing In Common" soundtrack a year earlier, also disqualified were Expose for the reason that the album "exposure" was recorded with other members a year prior and then re-worked with the famous lineup that had the success, so they were cut, HOWEVER, Jody Watley won, and yet was featured as a member of Shalamar. And though this rule has now been changed, back then you could NOT be a member of a group and then go solo and be nominated, hence, Paul McCartney not being nominated or Ringo Starr etc...



There always seem to be some discrepencies in this category. I guess we're not suppose to remember. That's why I was surprised at Winehouse getting the nod when it was her second release (unless as I mentioned earlier it was due to it not being a U.S. debut). Do they even have rules for where the debut is released?
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Reply #34 posted 02/09/09 7:42pm

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JackieBlue said:

lastdecember said:

The interesting thing is this is the most "bogus" award of all. The grammys have actually changed over the years. One of the bogus things was back in 1986, disqualified, was Whitney Houston, reason, she had a duet with Teddy Pendergrass called "Hold Me" on his album the year earlier, which at the time was a violation of the rules. HOWEVER the year before , Cyndi Lauper won Best New Artist, despite having been signed already with her group "Blue Angel" and though Blue Angel were not charting, this at the time was a CLEAR violation of the rule. Another year this BOGUS bullshit was pulled was in 1987. Richard Marx was disqualified for a song that he did on the "Nothing In Common" soundtrack a year earlier, also disqualified were Expose for the reason that the album "exposure" was recorded with other members a year prior and then re-worked with the famous lineup that had the success, so they were cut, HOWEVER, Jody Watley won, and yet was featured as a member of Shalamar. And though this rule has now been changed, back then you could NOT be a member of a group and then go solo and be nominated, hence, Paul McCartney not being nominated or Ringo Starr etc...



There always seem to be some discrepencies in this category. I guess we're not suppose to remember. That's why I was surprised at Winehouse getting the nod when it was her second release (unless as I mentioned earlier it was due to it not being a U.S. debut). Do they even have rules for where the debut is released?


thats another thing they keep altering for the sake of ratings. If you actually have released an album or in some cases multiple albums, if those got no notice, or were indie, etc... you still can be nominated, which is utter bullshit plain and simple. The overseas thing is tricky, simply because we all know that imports are all over the place and now with the net being the way to get music, isnt everything a WIDE release of some sort.

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Reply #35 posted 02/09/09 9:40pm

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NDRU said:



yeah I think the best artists are often not the ones who have huge hits on their first albums


I don't think Prince's first album is anything noteworthy. It's pleasant enough, but to be singled out for a best new artist award is undeserving to me.



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Reply #36 posted 02/10/09 7:39am

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lastdecember said:

JackieBlue said:




There always seem to be some discrepencies in this category. I guess we're not suppose to remember. That's why I was surprised at Winehouse getting the nod when it was her second release (unless as I mentioned earlier it was due to it not being a U.S. debut). Do they even have rules for where the debut is released?


thats another thing they keep altering for the sake of ratings. If you actually have released an album or in some cases multiple albums, if those got no notice, or were indie, etc... you still can be nominated, which is utter bullshit plain and simple. The overseas thing is tricky, simply because we all know that imports are all over the place and now with the net being the way to get music, isnt everything a WIDE release of some sort.

I really think it all comes down to the record companies paying for the awards.

I noticed in the past years that only certain record companies dominate on the amount of awards that are won. Coincidence, I think not.
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Reply #37 posted 02/11/09 1:10am

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People often criticize A Taste of Honey winning the award in 1979,but I think they deserved it boxed Two funky females who play guitar,and their debut album showed alot of promise.
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Reply #38 posted 02/11/09 10:43am

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SoulAlive said:

People often criticize A Taste of Honey winning the award in 1979,but I think they deserved it boxed Two funky females who play guitar,and their debut album showed alot of promise.


I think so many of the winners show promise, but they have a habit of fading away. Christopher Cross had a bunch of huge hits, but just disappeared.

So at the time A Taste of Honey probably made sense, but 30 years later, Elvis Costello is a living legend.
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Reply #39 posted 02/11/09 10:52am

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NDRU said:

SoulAlive said:

People often criticize A Taste of Honey winning the award in 1979,but I think they deserved it boxed Two funky females who play guitar,and their debut album showed alot of promise.


I think so many of the winners show promise, but they have a habit of fading away. Christopher Cross had a bunch of huge hits, but just disappeared.

So at the time A Taste of Honey probably made sense, but 30 years later, Elvis Costello is a living legend.

Same can be said for many of the acts on that list. Natalie Cole is one of the few that comes to mind. She is still recording and winning awards.
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Reply #40 posted 02/11/09 5:08pm

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Glancing at the list, IMO it looks like the '80s had the most worthy choices, the '70s had the most clear-cut winners (or should've been winners), and there are a few years where I wouldn't have wanted to give it to anyone nominated (2000 and 2004 for starters). There are also only a couple of choices I agreed with each decade.
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Reply #41 posted 02/11/09 8:24pm

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AlexdeParis said:

Glancing at the list, IMO it looks like the '80s had the most worthy choices, the '70s had the most clear-cut winners (or should've been winners), and there are a few years where I wouldn't have wanted to give it to anyone nominated (2000 and 2004 for starters). There are also only a couple of choices I agreed with each decade.


2001 and 2009 for starters on skipping the award.
Led Zeppelin DIDN'T win in 1970?!!!!!
Turns out in 1975 they could've given it to Phoebe Snow.
1992 looks hilarious now, both winner and nominees who lost.
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Reply #42 posted 02/11/09 8:37pm

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SUPRMAN said:

AlexdeParis said:

Glancing at the list, IMO it looks like the '80s had the most worthy choices, the '70s had the most clear-cut winners (or should've been winners), and there are a few years where I wouldn't have wanted to give it to anyone nominated (2000 and 2004 for starters). There are also only a couple of choices I agreed with each decade.


2001 and 2009 for starters on skipping the award.
Led Zeppelin DIDN'T win in 1970?!!!!!
Turns out in 1975 they could've given it to Phoebe Snow.
1992 looks hilarious now, both winner and nominees who lost.

I would've given 2001's award to Jill Scott in a heartbeat. Led Zeppelin probably deserved it in 1970, but I wouldn't have had a problem with Chicago winning either. 1992 is certainly interesting. Boyz II Men hadn't had their big breakthrough ("End of the Road") yet. I probably would've gone with Seal. "Crazy" certainly trumps "Walking in Memphis" IMO.
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Reply #43 posted 02/11/09 8:42pm

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AlexdeParis said:

SUPRMAN said:



2001 and 2009 for starters on skipping the award.
Led Zeppelin DIDN'T win in 1970?!!!!!
Turns out in 1975 they could've given it to Phoebe Snow.
1992 looks hilarious now, both winner and nominees who lost.

I would've given 2001's award to Jill Scott in a heartbeat. Led Zeppelin probably deserved it in 1970, but I wouldn't have had a problem with Chicago winning either. 1992 is certainly interesting. Boyz II Men hadn't had their big breakthrough ("End of the Road") yet. I probably would've gone with Seal. "Crazy" certainly trumps "Walking in Memphis" IMO.

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Reply #44 posted 02/12/09 2:40am

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NDRU said:

SoulAlive said:

People often criticize A Taste of Honey winning the award in 1979,but I think they deserved it boxed Two funky females who play guitar,and their debut album showed alot of promise.


I think so many of the winners show promise, but they have a habit of fading away. Christopher Cross had a bunch of huge hits, but just disappeared.

So at the time A Taste of Honey probably made sense, but 30 years later, Elvis Costello is a living legend.


True nod I guess the Grammy voters can never know who's gonna last,and who's gonna fade away.In 1983,who would have predicted that Madonna would have the type of longevity that she now has?
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AlexdeParis said:

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2001 and 2009 for starters on skipping the award.
Led Zeppelin DIDN'T win in 1970?!!!!!
Turns out in 1975 they could've given it to Phoebe Snow.
1992 looks hilarious now, both winner and nominees who lost.

I would've given 2001's award to Jill Scott in a heartbeat. Led Zeppelin probably deserved it in 1970, but I wouldn't have had a problem with Chicago winning either. 1992 is certainly interesting. Boyz II Men hadn't had their big breakthrough ("End of the Road") yet. I probably would've gone with Seal. "Crazy" certainly trumps "Walking in Memphis" IMO.

In 01, I thought that Jill or Brad Paisley should have won for Best New Artist. However, I then realized that the Best New Artist category is jinxed in a lot of ways. I was then glad that neither of them won the category. The Grammys made up for it later by awarding them Grammys later on.
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Reply #46 posted 02/12/09 1:32pm

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2007 Carrie Underwood James Blunt, Chris Brown, Imogen Heap, Corinne Bailey Rae

disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief Corinne should've won disbelief
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Reply #47 posted 02/12/09 2:10pm

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2007 Carrie Underwood James Blunt, Chris Brown, Imogen Heap, Corinne Bailey Rae

disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief Corinne should've won disbelief

I disagree. Carrie was the "best" of that year. She is finer than any of the above mentioned. Corinne doesn't have an ass like Carrie. lol
Carrie also is a better singer than any of the mentioned. Corinne's album was really good, but Carrie was and is a great singer.
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Alej said:

2007 Carrie Underwood James Blunt, Chris Brown, Imogen Heap, Corinne Bailey Rae

disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief Corinne should've won disbelief

I disagree. Carrie was the "best" of that year. She is finer than any of the above mentioned. Corinne doesn't have an ass like Carrie. lol
Carrie also is a better singer than any of the mentioned. Corinne's album was really good, but Carrie was and is a great singer.


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Reply #49 posted 02/12/09 6:48pm

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I'm just insulted James Blunt was even nominated. That's just wrong on every level!
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I'm just insulted James Blunt was even nominated. That's just wrong on every level!


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Reply #51 posted 02/12/09 8:21pm

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AlexdeParis said:

I'm just insulted James Blunt was even nominated. That's just wrong on every level!

He is "beautiful". ...remember! lol

James did suck for sure. I downloaded both of his albums. His 2nd project was much better, but still OUT THERE!!
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Reply #52 posted 02/12/09 11:14pm

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1980 Rickie Lee Jones The Blues Brothers, Dire Straits, The Knack, Robin Williams

hmm

This comedy-album from Mork was groundbreaking ?! ...confuse
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Reply #53 posted 02/12/09 11:29pm

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Wowugotit said:


2008 Ledisi
2007 Corinne Bailey Rae
2002 India.Arie
2001 Jill Scott
2000 Macy Gray

1999 Andrea Bocelli
1998 Erykah Badu
1997 Jewel, No Doubt
1996 Brandy
1994 Toni Braxton Digable Planets, SWV
1993 Arrested Development Jon Secada
1992 C+C Music Factory, Seal
1991 Mariah Carey The Black Crowes, Lisa Stansfield
1990 Soul II Soul, Tone Lōc

1989 Take 6, Vanessa L. Williams
1988 Jody Watley
1987 Simply Red
1986 Sade Freddie Jackson
1985 Cyndi Lauper Sheila E.
1983 Jennifer Holliday
1982 Sheena Easton James Ingram, Luther Vandross
1981 Christopher Cross Irene Cara, Robbie Dupree
1980 Rickie Lee Jones

1979 A Taste of Honey Chris Rea, Toto
1978 Stephen Bishop, Andy Gibb
1977 Dr. Buzzard's Original Savannah Band, The Brothers Johnson, Wild Cherry
1976 Natalie Cole Brecker Brothers
1975 Johnny Bristol, Graham Central Station, Phoebe Snow
1974 Eumir Deodato, Barry White
1973 The Eagles
1972 Carly Simon Bill Withers
1971 The Carpenters Elton John, Melba Moore
1970 Chicago

dig cool

With exception of The Brothers Johnson, Graham Central Station and Sheila E. , the funk is seriously faked by the grannies disbelief
No Prince in 1978 ? , no Meshell Ndegeochello in 1994 ?, etc....
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