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Reply #30 posted 01/31/09 11:02am

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Ace said:

Timmy84 said:



Hell naw, lol.

The Wal*Mart disc is limited to songs recorded with The E Street Band.



Therefore half a snapshot. Superfluous compilation anyway.
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Reply #31 posted 01/31/09 11:05am

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While I have no problem with these guys doing commercials, that rationale is lame. They both have mazuma up the wazoo; they'd do just fine without the extra sales that might come from these kinds of deals.


Really, i think you are living in a dream when you think they are getting paid this $$ for recording on a label. Springsteen may be loaded, but that doesnt mean its ok for him to be ripped off. Mellencamp is far from getting paid, back in 1993 when he did "HUMAN WHEELS" he quit the label when they could only get his single to number 60, saying "im not recording these songs so you guys cant get them played, thats your job" and thats the truth, these label cats and A&R dudes get the $$$$ up the ass, much more than the artist, and if they arent doing things to get them played, then why shouldnt they do their own ways of promoting?? I mean is everyone gonnaa get on PRINCE's case when he releases his new albums through "Best Buy" only because he wants more money than a label will pay him? Why shouldnt he want to get what is due him and his work?

The fact remains that these are very wealthy men who shouldn't be invoking the ol' "get the music out there" B.S. (no pun intended) to help justify these deals. "They paid me a shitload of money!" will suffice, guys. lol
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Reply #32 posted 01/31/09 11:07am

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I noticed the same thing with myself. When I was into him the first go around, I really loved the 70's stuff and The River more than the really popular stuff from the 80's, which is actually strange, because that really wasn't at all where my musical interests were back then.

Since I've been revisiting him, I'm really enjoying Nebraska through Human Touch/Lucky Town. Especially Nebraska. I've yet to find time to really delve into the stuff after that. And the 70's stuff leaves me a little cold.

My favorites are Human Touch, Lucky Town and that era's outtakes (see Tracks, Disc 4).



Ace, I commend you. You're the ONLY person who likes Human Touch. "Sad Eyes" is a beauty though. Why he didn't release it on HT and put out dreck like "Real Man" in its place is, frankly, shocking. Mind you, his latest album is complete shit .... And I'm a massive fan of his.
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Reply #33 posted 01/31/09 11:12am

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Shapeshifter said:

Superfluous compilation anyway.

Not if you want millions of non-returnable sales, pitched with the guarantee of free TV advertising with a value of $72 million. razz
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Reply #34 posted 01/31/09 11:15am

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Shapeshifter said:

Ace said:


My favorites are Human Touch, Lucky Town and that era's outtakes (see Tracks, Disc 4).



Ace, I commend you. You're the ONLY person who likes Human Touch. "Sad Eyes" is a beauty though. Why he didn't release it on HT and put out dreck like "Real Man" in its place is, frankly, shocking. Mind you, his latest album is complete shit .... And I'm a massive fan of his.

Totally agree about WOAD (see my posts here). As for "RM", while I found the choice of synthesized "horns" mind-boggling, I like the song. shrug
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Reply #35 posted 01/31/09 11:29am

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It's missing one of my very favorites:

"I'm On Fire" {http://ca.youtube.com/wat...o1npZWR5qk)
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Reply #36 posted 01/31/09 11:35am

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Cinnie said:

It's missing one of my very favorites:

"I'm On Fire" {http://ca.youtube.com/wat...o1npZWR5qk)

I don't think Bruce realizes just how popular "I'm on Fire" is. My personal theory is that that song/video launched Born in the U.S.A. into the stratosphere.
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Reply #37 posted 01/31/09 11:49am

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GH has "Better Days", "Blood Brothers" and "This Hard Land" (although the version of 'THL' on Tracks smokes that one), but Essential includes "Tunnel of Love", "Lucky Town" and "Living Proof" (among others). It also goes up through The Rising, so you get "The Ghost of Tom Joad", "The Rising" (meh), "Lonesome Day" (eh), "Mary's Place", "Land of Hope and Dreams" and "American Skin (41 Shots)".

I keep hearing people say this; have to check it out, as I love the song. Is the Tracks version from earlier in his career?
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Reply #38 posted 01/31/09 11:58am

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Ace said:

Cinnie said:

It's missing one of my very favorites:

"I'm On Fire" {http://ca.youtube.com/wat...o1npZWR5qk)

I don't think Bruce realizes just how popular "I'm on Fire" is. My personal theory is that that song/video launched Born in the U.S.A. into the stratosphere.


I agree. And that full video with the whole car skit was played probably more than "Dancing In The Dark"
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Reply #39 posted 01/31/09 12:01pm

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deebee said:

Ace said:

GH has "Better Days", "Blood Brothers" and "This Hard Land" (although the version of 'THL' on Tracks smokes that one), but Essential includes "Tunnel of Love", "Lucky Town" and "Living Proof" (among others). It also goes up through The Rising, so you get "The Ghost of Tom Joad", "The Rising" (meh), "Lonesome Day" (eh), "Mary's Place", "Land of Hope and Dreams" and "American Skin (41 Shots)".

I keep hearing people say this; have to check it out, as I love the song. Is the Tracks version from earlier in his career?

Yes, the song was originally recorded for Born in the U.S.A.. Totally different bassline that gives the song an entirely different feel. Might be hard to get used to, though (I heard this version via bootleg, long before GH, so the '95 recording always sounds very bland to me).

And whitey's on the moon. disbelief
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Reply #40 posted 01/31/09 12:05pm

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Ace said:


I don't think Bruce realizes just how popular "I'm on Fire" is. My personal theory is that that song/video launched Born in the U.S.A. into the stratosphere.


I agree. And that full video with the whole car skit was played probably more than "Dancing In The Dark"

You'll notice how his popularity just pinned after that. While I suppose the "Dancing in the Dark" vid made him somewhat of a pin-up, the combination of this song and its video put him in bonafide sex symbol territory
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Reply #41 posted 01/31/09 12:49pm

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Cinnie said:



I agree. And that full video with the whole car skit was played probably more than "Dancing In The Dark"

You'll notice how his popularity just pinned after that. While I suppose the "Dancing in the Dark" vid made him somewhat of a pin-up, the combination of this song and its video put him in bonafide sex symbol territory


Absolutely made the difference because it only added to the appeal he had already earned
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Reply #42 posted 02/01/09 4:36pm

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Prince does not get enough credit for his independence (No record labels, Clear Channel or saturated commercialization). Bruce makes deals with Wal Mart and has been a loyal Sony employee. Apology, make me laugh. I'm sorry all the way to the bank.

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Reply #43 posted 02/01/09 4:54pm

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WWAD? What Would Ayn Do?

I say take as much money as you can get for your product. You labored over it, you breathed life into it, you should get paid for it. In an industry filled with looters and thieves, I see nothing wrong with Bruce finding the most lucrative avenue to follow. I understand the supposed contradiction between his workers rights themes and this Wal-Mart deal but truth be told, its up to the workers to put their foot down and change the way they're treated. It's not up to Bruce Springsteen.

As long as people accept the conditions of that sort of employment, that sort of employment will not change.

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Reply #44 posted 02/01/09 4:59pm

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Prince does not get enough credit for his independence (No record labels, Clear Channel or saturated commercialization).

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Reply #45 posted 02/01/09 5:01pm

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WWAD? What Would Ayn Do?

I say take as much money as you can get for your product. You labored over it, you breathed life into it, you should get paid for it. In an industry filled with looters and thieves, I see nothing wrong with Bruce finding the most lucrative avenue to follow. I understand the supposed contradiction between his workers rights themes and this Wal-Mart deal but truth be told, its up to the workers to out their foot down and change the way their treated. It's not up to Bruce Springsteen.

As long as people accept the conditions of that sort of employment, that sort of employment will not change.

A rare sassybritches/Ace agreement. Maybe there is hope for the Middle East, after all!
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Reply #46 posted 02/01/09 5:06pm

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sassybritches said:

WWAD? What Would Ayn Do?

I say take as much money as you can get for your product. You labored over it, you breathed life into it, you should get paid for it. In an industry filled with looters and thieves, I see nothing wrong with Bruce finding the most lucrative avenue to follow. I understand the supposed contradiction between his workers rights themes and this Wal-Mart deal but truth be told, its up to the workers to out their foot down and change the way their treated. It's not up to Bruce Springsteen.

As long as people accept the conditions of that sort of employment, that sort of employment will not change.

Sure, but workers can only do that collectively (i.e. through a union), and Wal-Mart are notoriously anti-union in their company philosophy and their union-busting practices.
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Reply #47 posted 02/01/09 5:07pm

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Ace said:

sassybritches said:

WWAD? What Would Ayn Do?

I say take as much money as you can get for your product. You labored over it, you breathed life into it, you should get paid for it. In an industry filled with looters and thieves, I see nothing wrong with Bruce finding the most lucrative avenue to follow. I understand the supposed contradiction between his workers rights themes and this Wal-Mart deal but truth be told, its up to the workers to out their foot down and change the way their treated. It's not up to Bruce Springsteen.

As long as people accept the conditions of that sort of employment, that sort of employment will not change.

A rare sassybritches/Ace agreement. Maybe there is hope for the Middle East, after all!

hahah! nice...and speaking of that, i need to pick up Jimmy Carter's new book.
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Reply #48 posted 02/01/09 5:08pm

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deebee said:

sassybritches said:

WWAD? What Would Ayn Do?

I say take as much money as you can get for your product. You labored over it, you breathed life into it, you should get paid for it. In an industry filled with looters and thieves, I see nothing wrong with Bruce finding the most lucrative avenue to follow. I understand the supposed contradiction between his workers rights themes and this Wal-Mart deal but truth be told, its up to the workers to out their foot down and change the way their treated. It's not up to Bruce Springsteen.

As long as people accept the conditions of that sort of employment, that sort of employment will not change.

Sure, but workers can only do that collectively (i.e. through a union), and Wal-Mart are notoriously anti-union in their company philosophy and their union-busting practices.
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no, employees can do that by refusing to work for a company whose business practices they disagree with. you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

(damn typos...thx cinnie)
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Reply #49 posted 02/01/09 5:25pm

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But that restricts their sphere of action to the labour market, which is basically just setting them up for a fight they're going to lose: if they act as individuals (i.e. choosing to work for a company or not) they have no power to make any demands of a company; and there's little likelihood of people organising as 'job-seekers' or something, which would be the alternative - how would anyone do that in the first place; and, why would they, since the very nature of a labour market pits one potential worker against another?

Doesn't make sense, which is why workers have organised as workers, and why they have the human right to do so.
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Reply #50 posted 02/01/09 5:27pm

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sassybritches said:

deebee said:


Sure, but workers can only do that collectively (i.e. through a union), and Wal-Mart are notoriously anti-union in their company philosophy and their union-busting practices.
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no, employees can do that by refusing to work for a company whose business practices they disagree with. you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

(damn typos...thx cinnie)
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Yeah, I took it as that anyway! biggrin

(Btw, folks are gonna get p***ed if we turn this place into P&R!) wink
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Reply #51 posted 02/01/09 6:42pm

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daPrettyman said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_en_ot/people_springsteen


NEW YORK – The Boss is owning up to a mistake.

In an interview with Sunday's New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn't have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest hits CD.

Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker's rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices.

Springsteen told the Times that his team didn't vet the issue as closely as he should have, and that he "dropped the ball on it."

Springsteen went on to say: "It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be."

Springsteen released his new CD "Working on a Dream" this week and is performing the halftime show at the Super Bowl.


If only Janet would be this truthful and succint!

Props to him. His music sucks, but he's a good dude.
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Reply #52 posted 02/02/09 8:24am

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badujunkie said:

daPrettyman said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_en_ot/people_springsteen


NEW YORK – The Boss is owning up to a mistake.

In an interview with Sunday's New York Times, Bruce Springsteen says he shouldn't have made a deal with Wal-Mart. This month, the store started exclusively selling a Springsteen greatest hits CD.

Some fans were critical because Springsteen has been a longtime supporter of worker's rights, and Wal-Mart has faced criticism for its labor practices.

Springsteen told the Times that his team didn't vet the issue as closely as he should have, and that he "dropped the ball on it."

Springsteen went on to say: "It was a mistake. Our batting average is usually very good, but we missed that one. Fans will call you on that stuff, as it should be."

Springsteen released his new CD "Working on a Dream" this week and is performing the halftime show at the Super Bowl.


If only Janet would be this truthful and succint!

Props to him. His music sucks, but he's a good dude.

To be fair, Janet said hers was planned, but her whole breast was not supposed to be exposed. JT ripped off the wrong thing. She has admitted everything. Why do people keep bringing up this?
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Reply #53 posted 02/03/09 5:57am

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I can't call myself a huge fan of Bruce's music,but I admire him alot.He seems like a genuinely good person....very down to earth and not your typical pretentious pop artist.
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